☮ Social ☮ PD Social Tripping Thread: aLL aBoArD tHe MoThErShiP 👽🛸

[Elevana]

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I smoked 30 mg of DALT yesterday. It was nice. I probably wouldn't normally say much about it but it's such an uncommon substance.

My reactions to smoking synthetic base tryptamines compared to other people are night and day compared to those for DMT. My smoked DMT trips usually seem weaker than what other people describe and come with a very unpleasant body load that mostly makes me not like the experience. My smoked synthetic base tryptamines trips usually seem stronger than what other people describe and are usually very pleasant and smooth. I really like smoking synthetic base tryptamines and a lot of the things I've ever experienced that were alike how people describe smoking DMT actually happened for me on them instead despite not having experienced those things on DMT myself.

DALT was subtle for me as its reputation seems to suggest from scarce reports, but it felt to me like that might be at least in part just from it needing a higher dosage than other similar things for a comparable level of effects; I think I'll smoke 50 mg next time and see how that theory holds up. The heaviest part of the effects lasted for around twenty minutes, the full duration beyond an afterglow lasted around an hour, and I felt good for the rest of the day and still feel good now, similar to smoking other synthetic base tryptamines in that regard. Body load was negligible, some effects like dry mouth might have been present in retrospect but nothing really above that.

Sensory distortion and patterning was light, but present and colorful. It's not one of those tryptamines that seems visually subtle to the point of being grayscale, it just comes out slowly and in the edges of things, more alike LSD than DMT in that way. The imagery in its patterning can get very vividly detailed though, more alike other base tryptamines than other psychedelics in general. The most memorable thing for me in that way from this trip was a point where I was seeing a pattern across my field of vision made of beautiful purple flowers that looked kind of like roses, and they were moving like a standard repeating mandala or gear-like pattern, but they were very clearly well-defined flowers, not just flower-shaped. This was while lying in bed in the dark and the pattern was less than half opaque but very stable and visible. The flower theme reappeared later in the shower when I briefly felt like a flower spawned and blossomed on top of my head.

When I was still in bed and had first smoked it, I initially closed my eyes and got a cartoonishly colorful and stylized but realistically detailed vision of entities ripping me apart and pulling out my insides. It felt like the stereotypical DMT hyperspace story of having an surgical operation performed on you during an alien abduction but not in a clean and clinical way and not as alien, it felt more like being toyed with by human-like cosmic entities acting like wild animals but more cruel, at least one of whom I recognized. The imagery was immersive but not transporting, I was still lying in bed watching a transparent vision behind closed eyes, but feeling like I was a part of that vision still. It did not last long and broke up into still notably detailed but weaker visuals that dispersed more into the general patterning that remained in the edges of things for the rest of the trip. I do remember at some point before I got out of bed, there were visions of women joined together in a half-helix structure of a kind I've seen when smoking salvia on LSD before, each one with a hand outstretched to grab the ankle of the one above them forming an infinite chain, and I reached my hand out to join them and became part of the chain.

The trip was pleasant, fun, and refreshing. I find DALT to be a very calming substance that actually reduced the anxiety I felt before smoking it, something that I've found to be true of MET as well. The trip was somewhat weird but in a playful way that was recognizably psychedelic, and not as distinct from the classic psychedelics as something like DPT which it does have some other similarities to such as in the calmness relative to the base DMT. I came out of it feeling like I had some good thoughts and personal insights and was in a better mood than I went into it in, which was already okay. I spent much of the night catching up on new Rick and Morty episodes I hadn't seen yet with a friend with good immersion.

DALT is a very interesting drug to me. Scientific data suggests that its affinity for 5-HT2A receptors is only about twice as high as its affinity for dopamine transporters and only about three and a half times as high as its affinity for kappa-opioid receptors (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6230509/). It also has slightly higher affinity for norepinephrine transporters than for dopamine transporters and its affinity for the serotonin transporter is higher than any of these, about four and a half times more than for 5-HT2A receptors. It also has an interesting monoamine receptor agonist profile, with high relative affinity for various receptors like 5-HT1A, 5-HT2B, alpha2A-adrenergic, and D3, along with high affinity for both sigma-1 and sigma-2 receptors. I'm glad to have the chance to experience it and try to understand how that pharmacological profile translates into subjective activity.

That's about all I've got to say about it.

That interesting that smoking the Dalt didn’t degrade the Psychoactive compound.

It would be interesting if you smoked 5-Meo-malt and compared it to the Dalt experience.

 

[Khacorrat]

I've got this section in a book I'm working on (working title is "Tactful Relationships With Drugs") about how unique I find the intersection of hallucinogens and horror films as a tool for exploring the nature of catharsis and continuing to live with a smile on your face in a world so deadset on turning it into a frown.

I don't know at which point your book project is, but I am about it. Can you tell us more?

Growing cacti is a fantastic hobby, I'm glad you're picking it up! If you get into Lophophoras at any point, don't sleep on diffusa, fricii alberto-vojtechii or koehresii as they all contribute a fascinating ensemble effect to williamsii/other phenethylamines, but are also fascinatingly unique and high quality stimulants when taken on their own imo. I hope you also find the opportunity to contribute experiential and cultivation reports to help, community driven citizen science is something that we all (collectively, as humans) should be hopping on more and more. If you're interested in it, let me know and I'll try to figure out how to get a thread up for people running experiments so we can try to do some genuine data collection.

Yeah I thought about growing different lophophora species! I am curious about the alkaloids in it, but I am also a cactus lover so it could expand my collection!

My plan is to grow lophophora and aztekium from seeds, even if they are slow grower, and one or two trichocereus. But as I live in a flat I don't have that much space right now.

About the contribution to the community, I would be glad to share my experiments in due time. I will let you know when I start this growing project. Also I have many others growing project (medicinal and psychoactive materials), such as Salvia Divinorium, passionflower and maybe DMT-containing plants. But I have to dive in which plants are available in my country, and which will thrive in the mediterranean climate!

 

[Didgital]

My plan is to grow lophophora and aztekium from seeds,

Very cool.

It will take you 10 years from seeding to harvesting lophs IME, unless you graft and I dont think thats your plan.
I respect the plan very much but i would start sooner than later.

You can always harvest earlier, but I want my cacti to be so athletic, that when I take a cutting, the rootstock just gonna reshoot..

I love cacti a lot, if i had a family id pass them down

 

[Khacorrat]

Very cool.

It will take you 10 years from seeding to harvesting lophs IME, unless you graft and I dont think thats your plan.
I respect the plan very much but i would start sooner than later.

You can always harvest earlier, but I want my cacti to be so athletic, that when I take a cutting, the rootstock just gonna reshoot..

I love cacti a lot, if i had a family id pass them down

Thanks!

Yeah, my first objective is to let them grow on their own, and maybe if I have a sufficient number of cacti, maybe I will try to do some grafting. But I have the time before I'm here, and I really find appealing the idea of growing it on its own and maybe one day on a special occasion harvest it.

I saw you successfully grow some Trichocereus. Do you grow them inside or outside?

Yeah I see your point! Yesterday, I compared it to the art of bonsai but with an other kind of plants

 

[Didgital]

Thanks!

Yeah, my first objective is to let them grow on their own, and maybe if I have a sufficient number of cacti, maybe I will try to do some grafting. But I have the time before I'm here, and I really find appealing the idea of growing it on its own and maybe one day on a special occasion harvest it.

I saw you successfully grow some Trichocereus. Do you grow them inside or outside?

Yeah I see your point! Yesterday, I compared it to the art of bonsai but with an other kind of plants

Outside and then I winter them in a closet. Sorta wish I lived in a place like Socal where you can literally plant em in the ground. I feel like my cacti would be like 7 ft tall.

 

[Cream Gravy?]

Outside and then I winter them in a closet. Sorta wish I lived in a place like Socal where you can literally plant em in the ground. I feel like my cacti would be like 7 ft tall.

Do you use UV lights in the closet?

 

[Didgital]

Do you use UV lights in the closet?

Nah a buddy of mine does and his look ok. When I say I winter them, I mean by putting in complete dark generally in a cooler temp basically makes the cacti go to sleep and stop growing. This prevents etiolation (where the cacti grows skinny then fat skinny fat and resembles an hourglass. I prefer to avoid it for aesthetics though it does occur in nature. That's actually their primary way of propagating is a big wind comes thru, breaks the cacti at a weak point, and the broken piece that falls to the ground roots and starts a new colony..

 

[Khacorrat]

Nah a buddy of mine does and his look ok. When I say I winter them, I mean by putting in complete dark generally in a cooler temp basically makes the cacti go to sleep and stop growing. This prevents etiolation (where the cacti grows skinny then fat skinny fat and resembles an hourglass. I prefer to avoid it for aesthetics though it does occur in nature. That's actually their primary way of propagating is a big wind comes thru, breaks the cacti at a weak point, and the broken piece that falls to the ground roots and starts a new colony..

Really? Damn that's crazy! I knew they could go in dormancy for winter (like other cacti), but I didn't knew they can stay in a closet for a few months.

Outside and then I winter them in a closet. Sorta wish I lived in a place like Socal where you can literally plant em in the ground. I feel like my cacti would be like 7 ft tall.

Yeah, always when I see pics of Trichocereus in the wild in Socal... it's crazy how they could grow so fast. I think the mediterannean climate will treat them well. And hopefully as well as Socal! Wait and see for now

 

[Didgital]

Really? Damn that's crazy! I knew they could go in dormancy for winter (like other cacti), but I didn't knew they can stay in a closet for a few months.



Yeah, always when I see pics of Trichocereus in the wild in Socal... it's crazy how they could grow so fast. I think the mediterannean climate will treat them well. And hopefully as well as Socal! Wait and see for now

I used to live in southern Ecuador, not terribly uncommon to see 20 ft or even 30 footers. Hell not too many people can say they've climbed a San Pedro but I can lol. I only made it 10 ft tho.

The biggest one I saw was actually in the forest, and it was directly under a Anadenanthera colubrina tree which is also psychedelic. But no, this thing was mainly in the shade is what was surprising.

 

[perpetualdawn]

Really? Damn that's crazy! I knew they could go in dormancy for winter (like other cacti), but I didn't knew they can stay in a closet for a few months.

I had a piece of san pedro (or peruvian torch) that I forgot about and left on top of a book shelf for 1.5 yrs, not in any soil or anything and obviously no water. When I found it it was a little shrivelled up but still green and viable-looking, and it had sprouted a lot of roots out the side. I put it on some soil and gave it water and it rooted and started growing again. They are very hardy plants!

 

[Esperighanto]

Can you tell us more?

Yeah I have been asked for things like instructions on laying blotter, trip reports, general questions about psychedelia and psychonautics to the extent where I'm just trying to summarize everything into one cohesive piece as to avoid unnecesarily redundant information, if that makes sense. It's all going to be published online for free, information deserves to be free, I'll die on that hill. It'll also be on peer-to-peer networks in case anyone here's that kind of weirdo like I am.

Yeah I thought about growing different lophophora species! I am curious about the alkaloids in it, but I am also a cactus lover so it could expand my collection!

My plan is to grow lophophora and aztekium from seeds, even if they are slow grower, and one or two trichocereus. But as I live in a flat I don't have that much space right now.

About the contribution to the community, I would be glad to share my experiments in due time. I will let you know when I start this growing project. Also I have many others growing project (medicinal and psychoactive materials), such as Salvia Divinorium, passionflower and maybe DMT-containing plants. But I have to dive in which plants are available in my country, and which will thrive in the mediterranean climate!

You should check out some of the peer reviewed papers about non-traditional Lophophora species' phytochemistries, and also keep a dessicated (amber vial) sample of everything you grow and consume for later analysis btw. Sorry I'm typing somewhat poorly rn, just bumped 15mg of 2C-B since it's its 51st birthday today.

 

[Khacorrat]

I used to live in southern Ecuador, not terribly uncommon to see 20 ft or even 30 footers. Hell not too many people can say they've climbed a San Pedro but I can lol. I only made it 10 ft tho.

The biggest one I saw was actually in the forest, and it was directly under a Anadenanthera colubrina tree which is also psychedelic. But no, this thing was mainly in the shade is what was surprising.

Sounds crazy! Even 10 ft "only" is a really good performance
Before even thinking about climbing one, I would love to see some in the wild! But there is not so much san pedro around here.

It's interesting that it grows even in the shade of this tree. I will take a look about it to learn more about the growing conditions of this specific species.

I had a piece of san pedro (or peruvian torch) that I forgot about and left on top of a book shelf for 1.5 yrs, not in any soil or anything and obviously no water. When I found it it was a little shrivelled up but still green and viable-looking, and it had sprouted a lot of roots out the side. I put it on some soil and gave it water and it rooted and started growing again. They are very hardy plants!

Damn! The more I learn, the more I find cacti fascinating. They really are tough plants, what you said is crazy! It reminds me of a spider (eresus walckenaeri), I haven't seen mine in like 6 months but keep feeding it without knowing if it's still alive or not. And yes it was
Really, nature is fascinating in it's way

Yeah I have been asked for things like instructions on laying blotter, trip reports, general questions about psychedelia and psychonautics to the extent where I'm just trying to summarize everything into one cohesive piece as to avoid unnecesarily redundant information, if that makes sense. It's all going to be published online for free, information deserves to be free, I'll die on that hill. It'll also be on peer-to-peer networks in case anyone here's that kind of weirdo like I am.

Nice! It sounds very interesting and it will cover a lot of topics. I'm excited to read it once you publish it!

You should check out some of the peer reviewed papers about non-traditional Lophophora species' phytochemistries, and also keep a dessicated (amber vial) sample of everything you grow and consume for later analysis btw.

Yes that's a good starting point! I didn't knew there was paper about the other loph species. I will read them before ordering seeds...

Sure! I plan to keep tracks of the whole process, from sowing to extracting/consumption. I will applicate this to all the medicinal/psychoactive plants.

 

[Kaleida]

 

[Kaleida]

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[xammy]

Tripping on mushrooms right now, Just want to let you know that I'm having the time of my life and all is good. Much love to all of you guys

 

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[Camomill]

i just want to send out a big 'hello, how you doin' PD peoples'!

Love and best wishes and take it easy boys and girls

 

[Kaleida]

 

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