Proposed Bill Would Impose US Drug Laws Globally

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The House Judiciary Committee passed a bill yesterday that would make it a federal crime for U.S. residents to discuss or plan activities on foreign soil that, if carried out in the U.S., would violate the Controlled Substances Act (CSA) -- even if the planned activities are legal in the countries where they're carried out. The new law, sponsored by Judiciary Committee Chairman Rep. Lamar Smith (R-Texas) allows prosecutors to bring conspiracy charges against anyone who discusses, plans or advises someone else to engage in any activity that violates the CSA, the massive federal law that prohibits drugs like marijuana and strictly regulates prescription medication.
The law could also potentially affect academics and medical professionals. For example, a U.S. doctor who works with overseas doctors or government officials on needle exchange programs could be subject to criminal prosecution. A U.S. resident who advises someone in another country on how to grow marijuana or how to run a medical marijuana dispensary would also be in violation of the new law, even if medical marijuana is legal in the country where the recipient of the advice resides. If interpreted broadly enough, a prosecutor could possibly even charge doctors, academics and policymakers from contributing their expertise to additional experiments like the drug decriminalization project Portugal, which has successfully reduced drug crime, addiction and overdose deaths.

The Controlled Substances Act also regulates the distribution of prescription drugs, so something as simple as emailing a friend vacationing in Tijuana some suggestions on where to buy prescription medication over the counter could subject a U.S. resident to criminal prosecution. "It could even be something like advising them where to buy cold medicine overseas that they'd have to show I.D. to get here in the U.S.," Piper says.

Civil libertarian attorney and author Harvey Silverglate says the bill raises several concerns. "Just when you think you can't get any more cynical, a bill like this comes along. I mean, it just sounds like an abomination. First, there's no intuitive reason for an American to think that planning an activity that's perfectly legal in another country would have any effect on America," Silverglate says. "So we're getting further away from the common law tradition that laws should be intuitive, and should include a mens rea component. Second, this is just an act of shameless cultural and legal imperialism. It's just outrageous."

full article at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/06/us-drug-policy-war-congress_n_998993.html

maybe not the craziest thing i've ever heard, but does that mean the entire bluelight site is now conspiring to commit illegal acts? 8( would this bill make bluelight unable to function in it's current form? because just the sheer discussion of controlled substances could soon be a federal crime.

8( fucking INSANITY
 
i doubt it will go anywhere, but if it did, i'd have serious reservations about this board existing anymore :(
 
I keep telling these dudes: things are getting more illegal. All that decriminalizaton talk is only ALLOWED to exist to give people the sense that there is a real dialogue going on. We're just talking to ourselves - there's no dialogue.

The way to instigate change is to do it the wrong way: fill the veins of necessary industries like water, real estate, and oil with the blood of drug money. Then start pulling strings when a drought causes innocent bystanders plead for the drugs to come back. It's the only way things happen here on planet Earth. The margins are too high on drugs; the industry is full of too many mini-emperors who don't really want to work. This is because of the law making the drug industry rely on arbitrage rather than hard ingenuity.
 
full article at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/06/us-drug-policy-war-congress_n_998993.html

maybe not the craziest thing i've ever heard, but does that mean the entire bluelight site is now conspiring to commit illegal acts? 8( would this bill make bluelight unable to function in it's current form? because just the sheer discussion of controlled substances could soon be a federal crime.

8( fucking INSANITY

This may come as news, but if the state had a boost in resources one month and some spare time to kill, then we'd all be rocking conspiracy charges already. Case law repeatedly, in cases of offshore gambling in particular, shows that the website could be located on the moon. The rationale is that it would be ridiculous to pretend that the material portion of the communications are occurring anywhere except for right here in the states. I have a feeling that the trend of rejecting the SWIM terminology here is an offshoot of the fact that we're like sitting ducks anyway.
 
It will not pass. Freedom of speech has been about the only thing that has stood the test of time, scrutiny, and attack from the govt, idiotic media, and religious dumnutts. This will not pass. It may come down the last second, but in the end if it deals with attacks on freedom of speech, the supreme court will shut it down.
 
The US government does not have power as world police and they need to stop acting like they do.

As said above this is nothing but a blatant example of modern imperialism.
 
didnt mr. nice have a story on 2 afghans that were in afghanistan in the mid 90's that were using gsm phones, and one told the other 'dude, send ahmed with that kilo' and he said alright. Next thing was they were in terre haute prison with mr.nice.. the 2 afghans never had been outside their country, yet the got kidnapped/extradited to serve time just because they had entered US airspace the moment they used the gsm network. something like the moment you enter digitaal, you enter us airspace....

don"t count on scotus and freedom of speech, scotus is a vatican entity right now with 6 catholics and 3 jews on the bench, and knowing the vatican wants to control us since god knows when..
 
OK, this is the "bad" bill. What's the "good" bill they are trying to sneak through?

The Good Bill/Bad Bill approach is where a really nasty, overreaching bad bill is put forward that will horrify all those voting for it and get rejected. Then the "good" bill is submitted that is a relief compared to the bad bill so it gets votes. The "good" bill still contains stuff that probably people wouldn't vote for otherwise if they hadn't had the "bad" bill to compare it with.

It kind of creates a psychological either/or choice where, in reality, a "neither" choice exists.
 
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If a republican (sans Ron Paul, who is more of a libertarian) is elected president with a republican majority congress, something like this is very likely to become law. You've been forewarned.
 
Every time I think things can't get anymore Orwellian than they already are, they do.
 
Fuck america, all it boils down to is 'our views are right, the rest of the world is wrong.'

(& just ftr, fuck the uk too. No doubt we'll end up following americas shadow.)
 
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