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YellowPolkaDotHalo
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Yep but Im saving it for Jeremy Kyle
parttime crackhead
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You might as well have said "I'M A MASSIVE WANKER!" as that's how it would have looked to anyone that saw you. How can you be so far up your own arse & still type?
I don't quite get it. What's the 99% thing all about? It seems they are trying to shout that because 1% of the population is richer than the other 99% then the other 99% are completely & utterly skinto. Bollocks. Why don't they do it with the real numbers, the percentage of people who are totally rooked rather than the percentage of people who aren't quite billionaires? Because that wouldn't sound so good. "We are the 12%!" - Get to fuck.
Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
PTCH- the wealth gap in the US is much much much bigger than it is over here, so yeah a large percentage are utterly skinto- 20% under the poverty line i believe. our wealth gap is smaller but disgusting. they are campaigning against a society and political process which denys people what i consider basic rights whilst helping billionaires stay rich. anyway get with the times, they've unfortunately had to add police brutality to the list of things they're protesting against. 700 people arrested over this, how many of the bankers who precipitated this have been? that injustice in itself is worth protesting over.
parttime crackhead
Bluelighter
Bankers being shady/greedy & making lots of money isn't actually a crime though, is it? So what possible reason is there to arrest them? Standing in front of the judge on Monday morning to be told "You're here for the non-crime of being a greedy cunt & making hunners of money, you're now free to go".
I don't completely disagree with their point, it's the 99% thing that annoyed me. If I was in America just now I wouldn't be part of the 1%, there's always going to be 1% of the population richer than the rest. 1% of that 1% will be richer than the rest. Should they be raging? We are the 0.9%!!!!!!
I don't completely disagree with their point, it's the 99% thing that annoyed me. If I was in America just now I wouldn't be part of the 1%, there's always going to be 1% of the population richer than the rest. 1% of that 1% will be richer than the rest. Should they be raging? We are the 0.9%!!!!!!
StoneHappyMonday
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But being a dole-ite apparently is. Let's all share the same rules maybe?
parttime crackhead
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What are you on about? Who said it was a crime?
"Let's all share the same rules maybe?" - Genuinely have no clue what you mean by that.
To be honest I would say being a deliberate "dole-ite" should be a crime. The dole is there to help people who can't get a job, not people who just don't want a job & fancy some free money (before you flip it, I was one of those cunts for a while & would be again if I could afford it - I still know it's wrong though). I mean, who actually wants a fucking job. Jobs are shite, but a necessary evil for most people. If everyone just sacked it & went on the dole then there wouldn't be any dole money to hand out as no-one would be paying tax/NI.
It's fine to not want to work, but to then expect to be given shit for free is ludicrous.
"Let's all share the same rules maybe?" - Genuinely have no clue what you mean by that.
To be honest I would say being a deliberate "dole-ite" should be a crime. The dole is there to help people who can't get a job, not people who just don't want a job & fancy some free money (before you flip it, I was one of those cunts for a while & would be again if I could afford it - I still know it's wrong though). I mean, who actually wants a fucking job. Jobs are shite, but a necessary evil for most people. If everyone just sacked it & went on the dole then there wouldn't be any dole money to hand out as no-one would be paying tax/NI.
It's fine to not want to work, but to then expect to be given shit for free is ludicrous.
StoneHappyMonday
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You said bankers being shady and greedy isn't a crime. Yet we willingly prosecute (for example) the odd bloke on the dole who earns a bit of cash in hand to get by. The doleite is seen as shady and greedy and prosecutable. The banker is shady and greedy yet honourable.
And btw. Cheer up.
And btw. Cheer up.
Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
if bankers didn't have absolutely excellent lawyers exploiting every loophole possible, they'd probably inadvertently commit many crimes. they can get the best lawyers/accountants/ other ppl to make sure their theft looks legal. obviously keeping the ppl in government happy helps to avoid regulation.
i suspect a lot of what they've done isn't legal but is so bloody complex that working that out is very difficult indeed- ppl are employed by the fsa to specifically work out how particular bankers commited perticular frauds and it is time consuming and difficult. so just cos they've not yet been caught, doesn't make them not criminals.
sometimes even regulating bodies can't tell what they do/don't allow. not finance, but apparently people spent years trying to bring a case against GSK for the seroxat debacle but unfrotunately for some reaosn lying to GPs about the effectiveness of medicine isn't illegal. do you think thats ok, people died, GSK were culpable, but there was no case in law?
i find 'not being a crime' an odd argument for anyone on this board to use as a justification, we all surely know that the law and the common good are not the same?
and yeah, i agree about the 99% thing, i suspect they chose it cos it sounds catchy.
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Bankers get piles of shit for free. You and me bailed the fuckers out for their mistakes that caused world recession. Meanwhile the bankers gave themselves bonuses totalling more than the national cuts programme. That's what I call ludicrous.
I think the "I'm a massive wanker" schtick was firmly in place and honed to perfection well before the heel-spinning incident. It will continue to be so long after.
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Why? It's an interesting subject, and as for 'greater evils', doesn't the systematic opression of an entire gender throughout cultures the world over (including our own) count as a pretty massive evil?
Or has the sutle brainwashing of a world built largely on patriarchal values turned you into one of those self-hating women, eh?
Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
the systematic opression of an entire gender throughout cultures the world over (including our own) count as a pretty massive evil?
Or has the sutle brainwashing of a world built largely on patriarchal values turned you into one of those self-hating women, eh?
thats the thing isn't it. why should i give a shit about systematic oppression that i don't even believe in? that i have never experienced? what empircal evidence do you have for the systematic oppression of women specifically in britain today? as an above averagely intelligent female, why haven't i noticed this oppression? 50 years ago, yes i would have experienced it but not today.
we aren't women in africa being raped as an act of war, and thats just war, those crimes are horrible as crimes against people so gender isn't particularly relevant to it in my eyes.
as it happens SG, i fucking love being a woman.
Therein lies the root of your problem with feminism.
Feminism's about a lot more than being a woman, and for the record, last time I checked all my female feminist friends were quite fond of being women too. Some of them are very good in bed as well.
So I think your problem lies with either a lack of understanding or concern about the structure of society or the fact you haven't experienced apparent discrimination / disadvantage through being a woman.
Well done on doing so if the latter's the case. I'm sure you'll see what I mean sooner or later.
Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
for first one- source? know a few women in top level positions earning more than their peers but unfortunately can't name them as they're personal contacts.
and tbh, i think it is perfectly right that women hold fewer board level positions. to attain those positions you invariably have to not do what we are biologically on this earth to do, i.e. reproduce, or do a really shitty job at bringing up your child, cos you can't take much/if any time out. i respect the right of women not to have children but i promise you as a 25 not remotely fit, not imagining when i'd be a fit mother, there is a strong urge to bring up children, so to not do so is unnatural.
and tbh, i think it is perfectly right that women hold fewer board level positions. to attain those positions you invariably have to not do what we are biologically on this earth to do, i.e. reproduce, or do a really shitty job at bringing up your child, cos you can't take much/if any time out. i respect the right of women not to have children but i promise you as a 25 not remotely fit, not imagining when i'd be a fit mother, there is a strong urge to bring up children, so to not do so is unnatural.
parttime crackhead
Bluelighter
Agreed. That is ludicrous & immoral. They still can't be arrested for being arseholes though.
Being shady & greedy is not against the law though. Working while you're on the dole is. Therefore "we" can willingly prosecute them as they have broken the law. If bankers blatantly broke the law then they would be prosecuted. There's no-one sitting at the CPS checking what people do for a living before prosecuting. "Oh, he's a banker, silly police. Why arrest a banker? Set him free!"
A lot of that seems pretty irrelevant though. Exploiting loop-holes in the law? If the loop-hole is there then it's free to be exploited. It's the law that needs changing. Again, maybe not right but still not an actual crime.
What do GPs & Seroxat have to do with bankers? I don't know anything about the particular thing you are talking about but if GPs were taking advice off bankers as to the effectiveness of a medication then it's the GPs fault for being a fucking moron. I'm hardly going to ask a dentist to fix my car, or a mechanic to fix my teeth. Why would you take a bankers advice about medication?
Also, if you (or your lawyer) are fly enough to beat the law then fair play to you.
Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
can we please just feed the hungry before getting a couple of women an extra 20k a year? sorry if my priorities are all wrong.
no gps were taking advice from pharma companies. the point is this- it was corporate cirme that the government badly wanted to punish for, but couldn't due to poor regulation.
Marmalade, thanks for the link, without the corresponding figures for men for some bits, i can't really judge. and i've already said my piece about women in top level positions conflicting with what we're biologically programmed to do.
parttime crackhead
Bluelighter
Your feminist chat just comes across as some sleazy attempt at impressing women lol.
Maybe feeding the hungry (or not, as the case may be) is is somehow connected to socio-political structures?
Couldn't possibly be true, could it?
EDIT: Crackhead, you can see how effective my feminist chat has been so far today in that department...
Couldn't possibly be true, could it?
EDIT: Crackhead, you can see how effective my feminist chat has been so far today in that department...
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