Psychedelic + Sleeping - ie. Dosing before sleep, with the intent of staying asleep

[McWaffle]

I got this idea last night after a night out, I wanted to try 2 new RCs (5-meo-DALT and 2C-E) out. I was faily intoxicated and threw 1-2mg of each on top of a bowl of green and took one big pull, held it in, and right to bed.

Last night I had a wild night of lucid dreaming. But there was something else there, this time. Its hard to get into, very introspective personally applicable type dream, but it was different. Once I become aware I had full control. Sorry this isnt a trip report and trying to describe a dream world that spanned 2 weeks aint gonna happen.

But it really got me thinking what effect threshold doses of some Psychedelics could have on a brain when it enters the already alter state when you sleep.I am repeating the experiment tonight, with no alcohol, and in a gel tab this time. Same 2 chems, 2 mg of each.



I would love any insight on this concept, and will get back to yall tomorrow.

 

[nuvanob]

http://countyourculture.com/2010/10/21/alterations-in-the-nocturnal-sleep-cycle-resulting-from-lsd/

>In general, LSD can prolong the first or second REM episode and cause these REM micro-bursts, but only if given in low doses immediately before sleep or one hour after sleep begins. Doses that are too high simply cause the sleeper to awaken as they are about to transition to REM sleep.

 

[SpecialK_]

I'd say this would be difficult, a real small threshold dose would be needed and even that is unlikely to have too large an impact. Otherwise It's likely you'll just wake up at some early point.

 

[Splitz]

Yeh, I wouldn't be able to fall asleep quickly enough before the LSD starts making me feel stimulated.Sounds near-impossible.

 

[Darksidesam]

If you would like to try making more intense/realistic dreams rather than tripping in your sleep,
You can make an infusion out of the Red Corn poppy,

Half up to 2 teaspoons of dried petals, inside an emptied out teabag, infuse for 15 mins, add ribena or honey.
(More info in my blogs, i only have 3 so you will find it quick)

Any night i drink this, and then go to bed , half way through my sleep i go into a really deep sleep and always have a deep dream, like the other night i did it, i swear i was at a hardstyle festival i could hear the music in fact i thought it was that realistic i kept asking why am i here, who bought my ticket for me im meant to be up london not here wtf lol

 

[Solipsis]

Sounds like oneirogens would really be your thing. I think Calea is a good one but there was also a nasty herb ridden with side-effect (Silene Capensis).

 

[LucidShroomDmtier]

LSd actually wakes up your unconcious mind exactly the thing which happens during the Rem phase of sleep so its like wake lucid dream and the more you ignore external stimuli the more dreamy state you enter until complete lucid state of astral voyage , so i dont quiet understand why to try falling asleep thus shuting of your logic thus shuting the ability to remember the expirience , the very thing lsd expirience is so precious is that it gives user the ability to have concious and unconcious mind toughether in concious state (the same thing which happens during lucid dream without the vast stimulation from lsd) thats why shuting of any of it is nearly immpossible for the untrained mind and requieres the use of hypnotics.. so instead of trying of traditonal sleeping on lsd (unconcious meditation) i would recomend to try concious meditation (on thoughtless clear light state which calms your mind and gets you to the euphoric nirvana state) or just get whenever you want through visualizing or traveling along the stream of trip. Close your eyes concetrate let go of yourself and see anything you ever would imagine

 

[Flickering]

I agree with Solipsis, try calea z., mugwort or silene capensis. Or if you want a full on dreamlike trip, maybe ibogaine, but be careful. I realise you're probably talking about experimenting with typical psychedelics and sleep though. Good luck, it's worth trying. One word of caution: I suspect my blackout on shrooms, right before it turned into a traumatic nightmare trip, was actually me falling asleep to the peaceful music. Take something that isn't likely to fuck you or keep you awake. Consider mescaline?

 

[Solipsis]

I dont know if this is quality reading material but here it may come of some use.

NSFW:

http://lucidconsciousness.com/

^^Usually we want to limit the number of external links.

 

[Sadner]

Consider mescaline?

No doesnt work, I have gone to bed many times on mescaline and you don't sleep, you're way to stimulated.

 

[!!4iV4HF9R34g]

I'm also interested in this. I can never really sleep well on most psychedelics.
Sometimes certain phenethylamines do make me very tired coming up, but even when I fall asleep, I just wake up later.

I think a good question would be, what is a sedating psychedelic (or the most sleepy haha)?

 

[Flickering]

Ah well mescaline isn't stimulating for me, it actually makes me very calm and relaxed. Consider mescaline + a large amount of mugwort tea as a mild sedative?

 

[Folley]

Took some acid before a car ride to Ocean Shores once, i had dosed 4 days before and one day before so I wasnt expecting much.

Fell asleep on the ride there tripping a tiny bit, and woke up tripping harder, but still not that much. When you wake up you will be very confused for a couple seconds lol

 

[DwayneHoover]

Don't know about taking it with the intention of staying asleep, but once upon a time me and a buddy were up all night but still wanted to trip the next night for a concert or an event or something. So we had a good meal and some vitamins, etc. Waited to digest, had a beer, and then took it as the last thing before laying down for a nap when we were sufficiently tired to be be sure we would fall right asleep... then let our brains decide when the balance of the need for rest was overwhelmed by the acid. Woke up about 1-1.5 hours later, rarin' to go and full of zeal. Worked out well, but prior to this we were both very well rested. They say if you are sleep deprived a short nap can in fact be rejuvinative, so I expect that came into play in the good result. We did come down sooner that we normally would when the tiredness finally became stronger than the acid stimulation, so it all kinda balanced itself out with this approach, and boy did we ever over sleep the following day. But the "come-up nap" really did seem to be better than ZERO sleep.

 

[McWaffle]

Sorry, for abandoning this thread.

I have continued experimenting 2c-e and 5-meo-dalt before sleeping. My best results were taking 2mg of each in a gel tab then sleeping. It should be noted I am prescribed clonazepam and although I do not take before sleeping, is still in my system initially. I have maintained sleep, and achieved something I can only describe as beyond lucid dreaming, achieving it twice.

These are below active, or threshold doses.(DALT for sure) and could simply be a placebo I guess. All sudo-BS, I wish I could offer some real report or insight, I just think the concept of exposing your brain to psychelics when entering dream phases is interesting.