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Xanax + LSD: Safety cushion didnt work and made things worst

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This weekend I gave to a friend half tab of LSD (dalai lama). I thought would be all good since he tried long time ago in 2 different occasions mushrooms, but was totally wrong.. I gave him LSD and after 30mn he simply started freaking ou that was so getting tired like never before and couldnt think on anything (probably psychosomatic, a ego defense mechanism), describing it has like the body pushing down and down and started even shaking with "cold". I tried to calm him first, and said if he wanted to listen to some music, or even better see some movie, but he was totally relutant for anything.. I went to pick up my SOS Kit, and gave first 0.5mg Xanax Branded (from offline pharmacy), no effect almost at all, then more 0.5mg, a bit more chilled out, but couldnt sleep, then i gave 1mg making in total 2mg, thinking it would work, with me 1.5mg works with 2 tabs of dalai lamas, so thought it would be totally ok, and knock out.. I WAS SO WRONG! He actually fell asleep for 30mn, but wake up in zombieland, totally retarded, like almost forgot what was his name, but only could remember that wanted that effect to go away. I tried to relax him and "force" him to see a movie, or anything to distract and effect past away, , but he didnt want to do anything, so he kept asking me repeatedly 30x when the effects go, whats the time, or just stupid questions, then the worst happened he pissed himself without even knowning in my bed.... I started to freaking out too because I needed to work next day and it was already like 9am next day and my work is at afternoon. I kinda almost started tripping badly, thinking how couldnt go tripping to work but eventually controlled myself. I decided then to go out for a walk, near the river and it worked out, he became more chilled and after 40mn we returned home. My friend had something to eat and 30mn later was sleeping..

I learned a hard lesson this weekend and something that took for granted for a long time as a safety equipment - xanax - didnt work. Just 2 words of caution people and think well about when ,and with who you do it. Screen well the people before giving a tab and a pill..

PS: If you guys have other suggestion for controlling a friend's bad trip would be welcomed.
 
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You just gave him a blackout dose which was the wrong thing to do. He was probably fine with 1 mg maybe even less. If someones freaking out and you give them a low dose of a benzo, its anxiolytic effects are brought forth but if you give them a huge dose then they just blackout and get worse unless it knocks them out for a few hours. Xanax is also notorious for very strong effects and sometimes causing paradoxical effects(though I think you just gave him to much).So the lesson you learned this weekend was not to feed someone to many drugs or any at all, possibly. An anti-psychotic would have worked better and try using those next time(Seroquel-Quetinapine(sp)).
 
If you read more slowly you'll see that I tried low dose first and it did work very limited (fail category in my book), and he simply continued restless brain looping that really needed to sleep for being so physically tired. I now understand that it doesnt knock out some people specifically xanax w/ LSD. I also read in Erowid the same thing for valium can happen the same too, probably all benzos.

Anti-psychotics have too much side effects and wouldnt feel so comfortable with that, also read they try to avoid to the max anti-psychotics in ER.
 
Thats all there is besides something like other GABA agonists which most won't even be as effective as far as I know. I don't think your understanding, benzos don't end trips, they dampen them sometimes only very lightly, you just gave your friend a black out dose of the benzo which was wrong. Your only supposed to give someone a light dose. Also new age anti-psyches do not have that many side effects and you shouldn't be using them weekly to end trips anyways(if you need to maybe you should stop;))so it doesn't matter to much.
 
It does end the trip but not in a way like anti-psychotics. If something can put to sleep while tripping then the trip ends.
 
fly- said:
It does end the trip but not in a way like anti-psychotics. If something can put to sleep while tripping then the trip ends.
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Nope benzos never end trips fully in a real sense, if they do then explain pharmacology wise how they do(you don't need to I understand your just confused). Your not attempting to knock the person out most times especially with Xanax a non-hypnotic benzo. If you were using Temazepam or something it would be more relevant because you would not need to give the person a black out dose to make them fall into a slumber. No offense but you just aren't understanding. If you want someone to fall asleep while their having a bad trip you give them a moderate to high dose of a hypnotic benzo and if you want someone to calm down you give them a moderate to high dose of an anxiolytic style benzo(Alp is mainly this style). Not a black out dose which is needed for a more anxiolytic type benzo to knock someone in a bad trip state out.
 
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Nope benzos never end trips fully in a real sense, if they do then explain pharmacology wise how they do(you don't need to I understand your just confused). Your not attempting to knock the person out most times especially with Xanax a non-hypnotic benzo. If you were using Temazepam or something it would be more relevant because you would not need to give the person a black out dose to make them fall into a slumber. No offense but you just aren't understanding. If you want someone to fall asleep while their having a bad trip you give them a moderate to high dose of a hypnotic benzo and if you want someone to calm down you give them a moderate to high dose of an anxiolytic style benzo(Alp is mainly this style). Not a black out dose which is needed for a more anxiolytic type benzo to knock someone in a bad trip state out.
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Xanax is also hypnotic to some degree not as midazolam or temazepam. I do understand but I dont fully agree. Iif you are sleeping then you simply shut off. It did work with me before to this effect with psychedelics, besides that you dont have real deep sleep with benzos, since REM sleeping is reduced a lot.
 
fly- said:
Xanax is also hypnotic to some degree not as midazolam or temazepam.
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Nearly negligible IMO. I'm just trying to not let your thread make people think Alp is not good for trip wrangling. Its a good way to rope you back in and calm down, just not that adequate to knock you out(I'll extend the debate even further that your still off beause Alp will rarely keep someone on something under for more than 3 hours and need huge doses due to its HL or half life). For knocking you out Xanax is not the way to go. Thats simply it because you will need huge doses and if it it ends up not knocking the person out like it did here than you have to fight as half zombified tripper. Thats all i'm saying, that and benzos don't end a trip.....because they don't. Neither does sleep. Your still tripping even if your asleep!:p;)
 
Hypnotic effects of benzodiazepines are mediated through the a1 and β3 receptor subtypes, and all the hypnotic benzodiazepines have high affinity for these sites. Alprazolam, on the other hand, has a very low affinity for a1 and β3 sites: most of its effects are mediated through a2, a3, and γ2 sites. So alprazolam is definitely not a hypnotic.

Help?!?! said:
You just gave him a blackout dose which was the wrong thing to do.
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QFT.

Xanax isn't a bad-trip "cure all" anyways, although its often claimed to be. Sometimes people have paradoxical reactions to benzos, and it can make the situation worse. The best course of action is always to go with the lowest possible effective dose.... 2mg is actually a lot of xanax (equivalent to ~40mg of valium, that's a ton for a non-tolerant person).

Secondly, after the OP had given the guy 1mg, he turns around and doubles the dose by giving him an extra milligram. That's too big of an increase, if you have to increase the dose you should try to do it by increments of 0.25mg or 0.5mg
 
I've never done LSD but I was thinking about trying it with alprazolam. I would either take 3mg and 1 hour later eat the cid or! eat cid see how it is, if it gets bad take 4mg hope for the best. I'm not fond with that stuff. 2CB was a bit much
 
etnies said:
I've never done LSD but I was thinking about trying it with alprazolam. I would either take 3mg and 1 hour later eat the cid or! eat cid see how it is, if it gets bad take 4mg hope for the best. I'm not fond with that stuff. 2CB was a bit much
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No offence, but don't do that. If you're already thinking that it's going to go bad, you're in the wrong frame of mind. Sure, it's a possibility, but to take LSD with xanax is just plain silly. Surely you want to experience the full effects?

Why would you want to dull the experience before it even begins? 4mg is a huge dose of alprazolam, I don't think that'd be necessary as a safety-net either, unless of course you already have quite a tolerance.
 
There seems to be some misunderstanding about use of benzos to help control a trip...

First off if you have to plan to use benzos with your psychedelic you're probably not in the right mindset to be tripping.

It's not about being able to say 'oh man I took a bunch of acid and xanax, look what I accomplised'.

If you have to get blacked out on anti-anxiety meds to cope with the psychedelic headspace, you should rethink why you/your friends are trying to take psychedelics.

They can be a calming force if things get overwhelming but you shouldn't have to take anxiety meds to take psychedelics, it kinda defeats the purpose.
 
I would have chosen valium in this scenario, it kicks in within 15 minutes and greatly brings the trip down - but keeps it going so you can still enjoy some of the effects. Also it has a longer duration.

However, just remember that you'll often find when someone is in a bad trip and the benzo is kicking in their thoughts become a bit schizo. You'll find that 1 minute they are okay, the next they panic, etc, etc, slowly the time that they are okay becomes longer until eventually they stop panicking. So although it kicks in within 15 minutes it could potentially take a bit longer for them to relax entirely. Although, I have heard of stories like this were the benzos really didn't work - it must've been a tough time for you so fair play for keeping your head straight. I've heard of people getting shot up with diazepam in the hopsital during a bad trip and 20 minutes later getting caught escaping.


Qnick said:
They can be a calming force if things get overwhelming but you shouldn't have to take anxiety meds to take psychedelics, it kinda defeats the purpose.
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Certain scenarios call for certain things. As you can see from above the person seemed perfectly ready and in the mindset to take some acid, however, sometimes that isn't always the case. To be honest, any time I've felt a bad trip coming up I tend to try and wait around 15-30 minutes to see if I fade out of it, however, if I'm not I would much rather take a benzo and relax as opposed to endure 8 hours of horrific thoughts as bad trips can really take you to the darkest corners of your mind.
What are the purpose of psychedelics? Each to their own comes to mind...
 
4mg isn't that high of a dose for me...if I took that right now I wouldn't feel anything....I guess I can't do LSD or shrooms...o well. 2cb kicked my ass at the end....but I took like 22mg the only time I ever did it :(
 
Alprazolam is not the best benzodiazepine to take with psychedelics (in my opinion of course). It has a very short half-life, and seems to have the propensity to cause peculiar paradoxical effects. Although it isn't strictly a hypnotic, it acts more like a hypnotic than the other anxiolytic benzos. Amnesia is a big problem with alprazolam, so if you are tripping hardcore it can couse a great deal of confusion, though there is probably minimal anxiety subjectively.

Forget antipsychotics - they are horrible, nasty shit.

If you need a benzo to keep around in case things go awry I think good old diazepam is the best, since it last a long enough time and it is not overwhelming. A normal 10mg dose should most always be enough. You can still trip, but in a much mellower way. I would also say that temazepam is a good benzo for this purpose. Although it is classified as a hypnotic, at a normal dose of 15mg you should still be wide awake from the LSD or whatnot, and it should also last a good enough time.

I will say that the effectiveness of a benzo to quell a bad trip is reduced the later you leave it in to the experience. Like a migraine, you need to catch it early. But this also gives you the opportunity to just ride it out if you are already that far in to it. It's good to get experience in riding out the worst trips after a while. It gives you a lot more confidence about navigating those headspaces, and also allows you to confront things you wouldn't have normally done given the choice.
 
couldnt an ssri or some kind of serotonin antagonist be the only true fail-safe tho seroquel is a good one...but i hear of crankheads using it to bring em back to base after being spun for weeks... i do remember a House episode where he took lsd to counter the effects of his self-induced migraine and then he took prozac or something to end the trip and get back to normal.
 
iROLL22 said:
couldnt an ssri or some kind of serotonin antagonist be the only true fail-safe tho seroquel is a good one...but i hear of crankheads using it to bring em back to base after being spun for weeks... i do remember a House episode where he took lsd to counter the effects of his self-induced migraine and then he took prozac or something to end the trip and get back to normal.
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Since when was an SSRI an antagonist for 5HT1a or other receptors commonly used by psychedelics?;)


P.S. Basing information on Television shows is a quick way to die or commit some form of idiocy.
 
I recently gave a friend 0.5mg xanax who was new to mushrooms and having a really tough time. We changed the lighting/music and in 15 minutes she was in a completely different state. The goal is to reduce anxiety but not completely sedate in moments like this.
 
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