Getting into the trip mindset sober

[TangerinO]

Sometimes I find that if I put myself in the right mindset when I'm not on acid, I can still tune into similar thought processes.
I have done a fair bit of acid in the last year and a half, not a ridiculous amount but enough, and I've definitely smoked my fair share of weed.
I've been cutting down as I go along but sometimes I find when I've smoked enough marijuana, or if I'm just in a particularly peaceful mood and clear headed mindset sober, I can get to a thought process that is very similar to that of LSD and can it really help me work through my problems a lot easier sometimes.
It doesn't make me trip like I'm on LSD it's just that same kind of tripper train of thought.
I find this is good because I can take the positives of tripping and bring them back a little, without always having to just munch LSD, this is very convenient for University where time to drop becomes scarcer and scarcer as the Semester goes on. I'm getting better at tapping into these thought processes more regularly.

Firstly am I making sense first of all? Has anyone experienced anything similar to this?

 

[RobotRipping]

I don't smoke cannabis anymore but when i did i noticed the same thing, like you have an easier time accessing that state of mind when you are high. I smoke jwh's now and sometimes they'll bring on that full intensity trip feeling, racing thoughts, cev's, trippy thinking.

It's useful in many ways but can also be distracting, especially when you start to lose control over when/how often it happens.

To answer your questions, yes you are making sense and yes i've experienced it, probably even too much :D

 

[!!4iV4HF9R34g]

Applying the psychedelic experience is the most important part, in my opinion.

 

[thoughtsUnThought]

you should practice meditations,
that's the most sure-fire way for myself to access that 'abstract, yet precise webbing of understanding'
that and psychedelics

 

[!!4iV4HF9R34g]

I personally find that the most effective method for achieving these states is simply perceiving Existence fully.
I do not think, only take in stimuli and information. This allows me to understand things very easily, and I find that I can conceptualize well.
And of course, psychedelics.

 

[TangerinO]

I found that it really only happened after I went on a bit of a uni holiday cherub binge as well as pushed the amount of weed I was smoking to most it had been since college. At first it felt like I had fried my brain but once I pulled back I got less of this heavily scattered, unable to think normally anymore kind of feeling and now I'm somewhat able to control it and use it to my advantage. Glad to know I'm not alone.

 

[TheAppleCore]

It sounds to me like the ancient Chinese had this pretty well figured out -- without even knowing what psychedelics were! Lately I've been finding some fascinating correlation between Taoism, Zen Buddhism, and psychedelia. Something to check out for sure.

 

[Happy Trails]

Ah, the joys of mind expansion.

If I could borrow a statement some said in a thread recently, "A good acid trip never ends."

 

[Ismene]

It sounds to me like the ancient Chinese had this pretty well figured out -- without even knowing what psychedelics were! Lately I've been finding some fascinating correlation between Taoism, Zen Buddhism, and psychedelia. Something to check out for sure.

There's a book called "Zig zag zen:Buddhism and psychedelics" that you might enjoy Apple. Although all the Buddhist masters in there say psychedelics are "not the true way" and pretty much dismiss them.

I've always thought psychedelics were far superior to man-made theories like Buddhism myself.

 

[herbata_yanga]

Every single conclusion that comes from psychedelic trips is man-made too... since regardless of nature of experience, it intepretation and assimilation to sober reality is still limited by subject and its perspective.

Personally I hold buddhism on higher place than pharmacologically induced experiences. Just think about that man's, Buddha's, greatness. He sat under that tree and without help of drugs, experienced IT, sober.

 

[Ismene]

Every single conclusion that comes from psychedelic trips is man-made too

But it's your own truth, not someone elses.

Personally I hold buddhism on higher place than pharmacologically induced experiences

You trust someone else's stories above your own direct experience?

He sat under that tree and without help of drugs, experienced IT, sober.

But did he? Or is that just some guy years later making up a good story to get more followers?

 

[herbata_yanga]

Yes, it is. I've thought that you mean psychedelic experiences in general, without this "your own truth" thing :D

No, I don't. It is just epic. And from my personal experiences I know that it is for 100% possible to achieve states similiar to psychedelic trips, or even more profound states, wthout help of sacred plants and chemicals. I didn't express myself properly. I've meant buddhism-like sober attempts to expand your consciousness and cases, when one can achieve this inner peace. Not following blindly way that was paved by someone else.

From my experiences, there is conclusion, that buddhism is beautiful metaphor for flow of matter and consciousness that is taking place.

 

[Happy Trails]

I like to think of psychedelics as a 'dummy-proof' road to enlightenment/higher demention of thought (whatever your preference or goal). As long as the set/setting and dose are adequate, you are pretty much guranteed a legit experience.

Now, there are other ways to arrive at the same destination, such as meditation, yoga, Eastern religion, etc., but you can expect much more of a time investment in these areas.

IMHO, I don't believe one to be particularly better than the other (as each deliver you to the same realm), I just think psychedelics can get you there faster.

 

[bluedom]

I think there are many paths here and mixing and matching might be even better than a single solution. I personally integrate a bunch of ideas but my natural affinity is for Programming the Human Biocomputer by John Lilly (as a hard core biocomputing scientist). There's no need for mysticism and even religion and god can be integrated with science.

There's a book called "Zig zag zen:Buddhism and psychedelics" that you might enjoy Apple. Although all the Buddhist masters in there say psychedelics are "not the true way" and pretty much dismiss them.

I've always thought psychedelics were far superior to man-made theories like Buddhism myself.

 

[webbykevin]

There's no need for mysticism and even religion and god can be integrated with science.

How ?, please elaborate on this statement.

 

[space_monkey]

You trust someone else's stories above your own direct experience?

Actually, Buddhism is nothing about trusting someone else's stories. It is all about your own direct experience. The Buddha mind is precisely our own direct experience.

Also, for those above who have mentioned parallels between Zen, taosim, and psychedelics, I have found Tibetan Buddhism and bon to be MUCH more so directly related. Google dzogchen.

 

[Jesusgreen]

Honestly this is why I describe a strong dose of a potent sativa to be somewhat like tripping-lite. It gets me to a similar analytical creative thought process that certain psychedelics give me, along with some of the "mindfuck". I find it useful though I find in my experience I have to do more filtering of ideas with Cannabis than I do with psychedelics, as I find it easier to convince myself that rather unexciting ideas are the best thing ever when stoned - while on trips I usually only appreciate the more intelligent lines of thought that go through my head.

I think since tripping I've also been able to make better use of this state of mind sativas put me in, and I can actually be productive when high now.

As for when completely sober, I find I can arise similar states of mind through meditation and through little moments in life that get me thinking in a unique way.

 

[Ismene]

Actually, Buddhism is nothing about trusting someone else's stories. It is all about your own direct experience. The Buddha mind is precisely our own direct experience.

So how come they frown on people taking drugs so much? Pretty much every buddhist master will tell you taking drugs is bollocks and no real use whatsoever - you can only reach "enlightenment" by following the path laid down by Buddha.

I have found Tibetan Buddhism and bon to be MUCH more so directly related.

Is that the same Tibetan Buddhism that operated in Tibet as a feudal system for a thousand years and used the local Tibetans as slaves? And if they dared steal a goat the monks would gouge their eyes out as punishment? Perhaps the more accurate buddhist precept should be "Do not covet posessions, unless some jakey fucker tries taking your goat".

 

[daturaface]

Demention, awesome.

 

[space_monkey]

So how come they frown on people taking drugs so much? Pretty much every buddhist master will tell you taking drugs is bollocks and no real use whatsoever - you can only reach "enlightenment" by following the path laid down by Buddha.

Not all Buddhist teachers do frown on them so much. In Zen, Pure Land, and Theravada, sure, I don't think I've ever heard a teacher from those traditions say anything that wasn't negative about drugs. But once you look at the tantric schools of Buddhism, things get a lot more psychedelic. Dzongsar Jamyang Khyentse Rinpoche is a very high lama in the Nyingma school and here is an excerpt from an interview with him during a conversation about tantric visualization:

Student: It sounds drug induced, something like being on acid or mescaline or taking magic mushrooms.
Rinpoche: It is a bit like that. You are trying to dismantle the present perception. It's very important. Mahayana has the same view, but they don't have that method.

Why do they say that drugs aren't the main method? The state of buddhahood is unconditioned. If you're truly enlightened, it doesn't matter what external circumstances are going on in your life or whether or not you've ingested a psychoactive substance. If you're enlightened, all phenomena appear perfectly pure. So, drugs are an ultimately unnecessary crutch.

I have found Tibetan Buddhism and bon to be MUCH more so directly related.

Is that the same Tibetan Buddhism that operated in Tibet as a feudal system for a thousand years and used the local Tibetans as slaves? And if they dared steal a goat the monks would gouge their eyes out as punishment? Perhaps the more accurate buddhist precept should be "Do not covet posessions, unless some jakey fucker tries taking your goat".

Yes, that one. What can I say? Obviously there is a distinction between Buddhadharma and real life Buddhist institutions. Just because I appreciate Buddhist teachings doesn't mean that I think that all Buddhist institutions contain entirely perfect people. Far from it. All human institutions will have problems like this. In fact, that's a basic Buddhist teaching. Life is suffering...