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We're one of the most "tolerant" of sub-forums when it comes to certain rules, but we've had so much trouble due to this thread over the time that it's been here that I'd rather it continued and didn't mention prices than have to be closed :\
Sorry mate, just trying to go for the "lesser of two evils".
 
They are tolerant. And trust me, comming from my continent this is a very tolerant sub forum. I remember when I was Green in 08' I felt that methaqualone (mandrax synth) was doable and somebody should step up. I provided details from the receipe provided by a guy from a site that rhyms with Knowdium. I was shut down and complained that my US 1st ammendment rights of free speach were being violated8)/ I was informed by Felix, I think that BL wasn't the USA (or based there). These mods , I believe have their rules so BL doesn't go the way of "the Hive". it would probably be beneficial to explain the rantionale. Any rate, I think there should be more free speach, wish they would explain it more, but they do it out of neccesity, not kicks.

Any rate, I stared a thread on connoisseur opium a while back and got a PM that it would be closed b/c it wasn't in line with HR. I appealed, then they a allowed it siting that most people aren't as polite and whinny- any rate I found a connoisseur opium article on Salon Magazine, I think. I remember the taste as being unique, hard to describe. The author was talking about tasting notes that were evident in various typea of opium, declaring, overall, that some was of superlatine quality. So I may deagree with them but the mods have a reason behind their maness (even if it pisses me off). But for freer speach their is still opiophile.org- that started letting people join last I checked after a difficult membership policy- for a price.

Mods like sam, Feix, and Vader have a hard job and do it well, even if I don't always agree with them. Citing Ructs, I'm a member of the US Libertarian Party but I'd take anarchy anyday over anything else.:).

I think their rationale is we don't wan't the facist to close us down ( or infiltrate meet ups, ect...as have happen in the past.) Preserving BL for the sake of posterity.
 
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Johnny Thunders ~ RIP ~ What a legend!!! & so many others....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NFdcnlJKXo&feature=related

So what do you Bluelighters think?

Is it better to live fast~ use hard drugs as often as possible, get out of your head as much as you want, throw all caution to the wind!!! Do what you wanna do & forget about consequences! Enjoy life to the full no matter how crazy you might go!! Live life to the full. ~~Live Fast & possibly Die Young.....

Or would you rather~

Look at life as if you've had your fun & now its time to live healthy & live long. Look forward to growing old & sticking around for as long as possible (as long as you don't get run over by a bus!!! :) )

I change my mind daily about this one! I have been mostly sober for the last 10 months coz of the drought & i'm bored.... i feel like its just the same boring old crap day in day out! Get up go to work, come home, do what ever, go to bed! I'm miss my old chaotic life, i miss been out of my head & not caring!

But when i was using all the time i always wanted to be clean.......

Am i just never happy with what i have? I think the main reason that i always wanted to get clean was coz of money, i never had enough cash when i used heroin evey day, i always managed to get enough cash together to buy gear every day, but things like rent, bills, food ect were always a problem. I wonder would i have been happy if i had had enough cash to use freely & still look after the other things in life?

So which would you rather? Live fast & probably die young or to live a long & healthy life? A bit of both would be sweet!!! :)
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oh,most def die young
when i gave birth to my son,my heart stopped for a short while
i don't remember anything of it but i do know that i am not scared of death at all
 
If you forgive the namedropping, many years ago I used to score with Thunders. My flatmate was employed as an 'assistant tour manager' - his sole task was to get drummer Nolan to the gigs and position himself behind his drum kit, to catch and prop him back back up whenever the nodding fuck fell off - and I got roped into an entertaining madness. Johnny's record company provided a flat off Shepherds Market and, walking home late one night, someone remarked on the apparent vulnerability of the local chemist. " I'm not breaking into any pharmacy," grumbled Thunders, " You forget, I'm a fucking superstar." In taxis, he'd elbow you in the ribs to point out every poster we passed advertising one of his gigs as if he couldn't quite believe how famous he'd become. A highly charismatic performer and a real person. A very sad end.
 
charlie clean said:
If you forgive the namedropping, many years ago I used to score with Thunders. My flatmate was employed as an 'assistant tour manager' - his sole task was to get drummer Nolan to the gigs and position himself behind his drum kit, to catch and prop him back back up whenever the nodding fuck fell off - and I got roped into an entertaining madness. Johnny's record company provided a flat off Shepherds Market and, walking home late one night, someone remarked on the apparent vulnerability of the local chemist. " I'm not breaking into any pharmacy," grumbled Thunders, " You forget, I'm a fucking superstar." In taxis, he'd elbow you in the ribs to point out every poster we passed advertising one of his gigs as if he couldn't quite believe how famous he'd become. A highly charismatic performer and a real person. A very sad end.
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apologies for my ignorance but could you elaborate on which celebrity we are talking about?
 
charlie clean said:
If you forgive the namedropping, many years ago I used to score with Thunders. My flatmate was employed as an 'assistant tour manager' - his sole task was to get drummer Nolan to the gigs and position himself behind his drum kit, to catch and prop him back back up whenever the nodding fuck fell off - and I got roped into an entertaining madness. Johnny's record company provided a flat off Shepherds Market and, walking home late one night, someone remarked on the apparent vulnerability of the local chemist. " I'm not breaking into any pharmacy," grumbled Thunders, " You forget, I'm a fucking superstar." In taxis, he'd elbow you in the ribs to point out every poster we passed advertising one of his gigs as if he couldn't quite believe how famous he'd become. A highly charismatic performer and a real person. A very sad end.
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Great story, Charlie. Thank you. :)

Trying to replicate that kind of behaviour while not being quite so famous... well, I'll grow out of it one day.

RIP Johnny.
 
charlie clean said:
If you forgive the namedropping, many years ago I used to score with Thunders. My flatmate was employed as an 'assistant tour manager' - his sole task was to get drummer Nolan to the gigs and position himself behind his drum kit, to catch and prop him back back up whenever the nodding fuck fell off - and I got roped into an entertaining madness. Johnny's record company provided a flat off Shepherds Market and, walking home late one night, someone remarked on the apparent vulnerability of the local chemist. " I'm not breaking into any pharmacy," grumbled Thunders, " You forget, I'm a fucking superstar." In taxis, he'd elbow you in the ribs to point out every poster we passed advertising one of his gigs as if he couldn't quite believe how famous he'd become. A highly charismatic performer and a real person. A very sad end.
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Wow! :) What a story! :) Johnny Thunders is one person that i would of loved <3 to have met!! He came across as having a childlike innocents about him, his eyes were like black pools, & what a musician!!! <3

What an amazing person to have met!!! I wish i lived near you Charlie, coz i would bring you out for a few pints so that i could hear all your stories!!! I'd say Johnny Thunders was a real character! & we all your an amazing character too Charlie! <3 Thanks for sharing such an amazing story!!!! XXX :)
 
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thanks
although i thought they lived in new york
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At risk of sounding an old bore, when Johnny Thunders and Jerry Nolan formed The Heartbreakers after the break up through death of the Dolls, they moved over here for a tour arranged by colourful manager Lee Black Childers. Would have been late '76, maybe '77. There was considerable music press interest but what wasn't reported was how, on arrival at Heathrow, they were detained overnight in a detention camp as suspicious aliens of dubious provenance. " We're the Dolls." "I'm sure you are, sir. Now, if you could just step this way." Nor that the first thing Lee Black did after sorting out their immigration status was to march his superstars - and their motley travelling crew - to a doctor for a methadone script apiece.

Tom Petty was in London at the same time and for a while they were two Heartbreakers performing to British audiences. An informal agreement decided the first to release a hit single won the rights to the name. Petty made the UK top thirty soon afterwards. Johnny's version of 'Chinese Rock' - " I'm living on a Chinese rock, I'm living on a Chinese rock. everything I've got is in the pawn shop", lyrics worthy of Shelley - later became a collector's classic but sold poorly as a single at the time. Thunders determined to relabel the band 'Johnny and the Junkies' and was genuinely taken aback when the record company decreed the name unsuitable. I'm unsure when or why they returned to the US. I slipped away after I had to borrow the band's wages to pay my spiraling drug bill and found them gone on my return to these shores.

It was from folks like Thunders I first appreciated the incredible phenomenon of celebrity. When incredibly hot women of impeccable lineage permit scrawny junkies to do unspeakable things to them just for an introduction, it does really make you wonder what it's all about. Witnessing how people behaved when in the company of an image, and how the person who was that image responded, was a further education. And Thunders's marketing was chaotic, to put it mildly, the mind boggles how acolytes act when they meet, say, Madonna. And how Madonna acts back. It's very easy for 'celebrities' to mutate by reflection. A very freaky thing.

Nowadays, of course, about the most exciting person I meet is the milkman. Oh, but I was young once....
 
Is that when he managed to get his meth script, Charlie?

I'm really enjoying these insider stories, so please feel free. :)

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When incredibly hot women of impeccable lineage permit scrawny junkies to do unspeakable things to them just for an introduction, it does really make you wonder what it's all about.
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You should've seen my early twenties. I know what you mean. ;)
 
charlie clean said:
At risk of sounding an old bore, when Johnny Thunders and Jerry Nolan formed The Heartbreakers after the break up through death of the Dolls, they moved over here for a tour arranged by colourful manager Lee Black Childers. Would have been late '76, maybe '77. There was considerable music press interest but what wasn't reported was how, on arrival at Heathrow, they were detained overnight in a detention camp as suspicious aliens of dubious provenance. " We're the Dolls." "I'm sure you are, sir. Now, if you could just step this way." Nor that the first thing Lee Black did after sorting out their immigration status was to march his superstars - and their motley travelling crew - to a doctor for a methadone script apiece.

Tom Petty was in London at the same time and for a while they were two Heartbreakers performing to British audiences. An informal agreement decided the first to release a hit single won the rights to the name. Petty made the UK top thirty soon afterwards. Johnny's version of 'Chinese Rock' - " I'm living on a Chinese rock, I'm living on a Chinese rock. everything I've got is in the pawn shop", lyrics worthy of Shelley - later became a collector's classic but sold poorly as a single at the time. Thunders determined to relabel the band 'Johnny and the Junkies' and was genuinely taken aback when the record company decreed the name unsuitable. I'm unsure when or why they returned to the US. I slipped away after I had to borrow the band's wages to pay my spiraling drug bill and found them gone on my return to these shores.

It was from folks like Thunders I first appreciated the incredible phenomenon of celebrity. When incredibly hot women of impeccable lineage permit scrawny junkies to do unspeakable things to them just for an introduction, it does really make you wonder what it's all about. Witnessing how people behaved when in the company of an image, and how the person who was that image responded, was a further education. And Thunders's marketing was chaotic, to put it mildly, the mind boggles how acolytes act when they meet, say, Madonna. And how Madonna acts back. It's very easy for 'celebrities' to mutate by reflection. A very freaky thing.

Nowadays, of course, about the most exciting person I meet is the milkman. Oh, but I was young once....
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ah,well I was 5yrs old in 77'
but it all sounds very exciting
had a chat with my keyworker today about what happens to junkies after they reach a certain age
I am 40 next year so must be time to lay off
 
kkattastic said:
ah,well I was 5yrs old in 77'
but it all sounds very exciting
had a chat with my keyworker today about what happens to junkies after they reach a certain age
I am 40 next year so must be time to lay off
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What's she know? My neighbour and I have 127 years between us and look a lot better and younger than most 60 year olds. OK, we've a combined mental age of 35, have never worked out in our lives and could keel over in the morning. So could anyone. But no theoretical reason we shouldn't bash on lively into our eighties, I've known junkies of that age and they were fit as fiddles.

In my experience, heroin women either go bad very quickly around the forty mark or grey into elegant and rather attractive old ladies. As they say, it's not the dope it's the bad living. Cut doesn't help. Eat your vitamins ad stop worrying, Kat. you old heroine, you, it'll all come naturally.
 
Kat - if you want inspiration, look no further than Mr. Clean.

If you want to quit the lifetyle though, I totally understand. :)

Never knew you were nearly 40. Don't tell men like me stuff like that. I have an older women thing, even though you're hardly that much older! =D
 
PS. And remember your key worker's task - and for which substantial bonus will be paid under the new 'payment by results' funding scheme - is to have you ''successfully discharge'' treatment. There are smaller incentives if you come down, among others. Don't let her sell you on the idea of coming off and reduce you unless you're certain it's what you want. It's happening to a lot of people in treatment lately.

In the strange dance of key/client appointments, drug users are dreadfully vulnerable to persuasive techniques, especially this age of privatised, corporate treatment. The drug user is eager to be nice, not a junkie or a 'user'; before you know it, a reluctance to disappoint can mean you're swept along with something based on false assumptions and assurances. Whatever you do, make sure you won't be swapping your script for the corner. Any change must always be your own considered decision.
 
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