Opioids Possible to chip again without getting addicted?

[Candy_Raver]

It's been over a year and two months since I touched opiates.

Back two years ago, I was using morphine, oxycodone, heroin via IV method, and stuck to once every two weeks to avoid dependence and tolerance. The plan worked fine for 4 months, then I ended up doing once every week, that lasted for two months. It went on to being twice a weekend, for another 3 weeks. After that it was twice a weekend, plus Wednesday which went on for 2 weeks. After that it ended up being everyday which lasted one week, then a couple times a day everyday after 3 weeks, where I was physically addicted (tolerance, needing a hit to not feel sick) this went on for about a month or two.

I ended up detoxing for a few days with indica hashish, benzos, immodium, ibuprofun, vitamins, nyquil and lots of ensure drinks. Then rode out the other 1/2 of the acute withdrawal coldturkey. After that I was sent to rehab for a few months.

Since its been over a year my tolerance must had dropped greatly. I have considered chipping again but I won't be IVing, I will most likely just snort the roxy(IRs) or morphine sulfate, whatever is around. And I only plan on using once a month. Is it a wise idea to try to chip again?

-PLUR

 

[verso]

I'm surprised that you were able to stick to your original plan for so long, four months... that's pretty impressive.

But, unfortunately for you, it's not chipping. It became an every day thing, and you experienced physical dependence, and so picking it up again might not be the best idea in the world.

I'll be honest with you, I don't think that using every day makes you an addict. I use nearly every day, but I haven't experienced any kind of physical dependence to opiates, nor have I experienced any kind of lasting mental addiction. I might crave taking a couple lines for a day or two, but after two days without, all those cravings seem to go away...

You've experienced physical dependence, and that's not a good thing at all. If you decide to go back to it, I would not recommend picking up the needle this time around. It's the only advice I have to give you really. I wish I had better advice for you than that... but I believe you're going to do what you're going to do anyway. All I can do is tell you it's a bad idea...

 

[sekio]

It turns out, not only is iot not a good idea, people who fall into opiate addiction tend to fall right back there, given a chance.

Unless you have had a major change of scenery and mind state since you were addicted I would stay far far away. We get threads like this all the time and they regularly come to the conclusion that no, it's not possible to chip unless you have an incredibly strong will or an artificially limited supply of opiates. People fall into the habit of using opiates recklessly for a reason.

 

[verso]

...it's not possible to chip unless you have an incredibly strong will or an artificially limited supply of opiates.

I'm not entirely sure that I agree with this; for me, "chipping" is nearly synonymous with "using opiates recreationally and at the same time avoiding physical dependence and addiction," the only difference being that "chipping" implies using maybe once a week or every couple of weeks and avoiding physical dependence/addiction.

I think it is possible for one to use opiates recreationally and at the same time avoid physical dependence/addiction, but I don't think that it's a matter of will-power or anything at all like that.

I use opiates very regularly, so no, I am not a chipper, but I would not say that I am an addict, either. It sounds to me like the OP has experienced addiction before, and regardless or where he/she is, a change in scenery, whatever... the OP has experienced addiction, and it's not a wise idea to pick up opiates a second time.

 

[mrflowers00]

once an addict always an addict

 

[AfterGlow]

Possible to chip again without getting addicted?

Did it work the first time?

 

[albastrux]

I'd just like to suggest that while the ROA might not be what you want, it might be a little easier to try a method other than IV and to limit your use. I would also like to point out that people who suffer from addiction a first time always suffer from addiction on some level as far as the definition of an addict is concerned. The choice is yours, ultimately. Only you know yourself best.

 

[OEandricearoni]

I don't think anyone is going to tell you this is a good idea or reasonable to do...and for good reason. From personal experience i can tell you if you have been addicted to opiates once, it's pretty much impossible to start chipping again and not get addicted. Once one starts using, even semi-regularly again, they often times get into this mindset that basically just rationalizes everything they are doing. At least that's what happened to me every time i tried to start chipping after getting clean. 3 times i tried to "just start chipping" again and every time got hooked on heroin again. So i say no. Stay away from opiates, or you are going to end up getting yourself back into the cycle of addiction.

 

[redsweater]

y would u want to go back to opis after u spent such an effort getting off them?

 

[traybuck]

Not a good idea at all bro..

 

[BluffBoy]

... it's not possible to chip unless you have an incredibly strong will or an artificially limited supply of opiates. People fall into the habit of using opiates recklessly for a reason.

I'd have to say I agree with this. I've had a major change of scenery and have a limited supply right now, and I use when it's available. If I was back home with a constant supply, no doubt I'd be in the downward spiral. And even with my current circumstances, I know I'm playing with fire.

 

[HighonLife]

Is it a wise idea to try to chip again?

-PLUR

not really.

i would say it cant be done but there are the exceptions to the rule, but the biggest mistake one can make is assuming they WILL be the exeption to the rule, my advice is dont try and stay away from Opes, but you know yourself best and will ultimatly make the decision for yourself, be safe, be careful, be smart!

 

[BrokedownPalace]

From personal experience, (and many other's as well), this is a sure fire way to end up right back in a full blown addiction. You've been clean for so long, why go back now? Is your sober life really that miserable where you feel risking a full blown opiate addiction is worth it? If you couldn't control your use back then, why do you think you can now? don't take this the wrong way or think I'm being an asshole, because I am certainly not trying to do that. i am just being realistic.

I have detoxed many times in the past, and then think I can go back for just one more high. WRONG; EVERY SINGLE TIME I end up right back where I was before giong thru detox/rehab/etc.. We are addicts - we can't just use once and put it away.

As much as I don't like AA/NA, a cool qutoe I heard from someone at a meeting was "Insanity is doing the sam thing over and over again, and expecting a different result" You don't need us to answer this question for you. Re-read your first paragraph, and you'll have your answer. You know the answer, but you just are attempting to rationalize and get validation from strangers on the internet that using again "just once", will b e okay and successful. It doesn't work that way. Do something more productive in your life to get over the craving.

You've gotten so far! Don't jeoporadize your recovery now, man! Stay strong and stay away from the opiates, and everything will be okay. You aren't missing out on anything right now other than a short superficial 'high' and a one way ticket back to opiate dependency.

Godo luck!

 

[sleepwalker]

I know I'm playing with fire.

and you know well what happens if you play with fire...or don't you?

It will lead to that same place again, and worst.
Opiate addiction can take a long time to "fully develop".
Don't go there, please.

 

[lozgod]

It will just be a matter of time. Talking from experience. Made it 4 months totally clean and tried being a weekend warrior. That lasted about 6-7 months then back to the old days. Now my addiction is worse and getting more worse. Going to detox/rehab myself next week. There is so much more to life than this bullshit. Great job on your time off opiates. If I had your opportunity I would never touch them again.

 

[80mg]

Heres what I tell people...

Either be clan, or be dirty. I should follow my own advice. Every month I shoot up oxys and H for a week straight then stop. But I still go through w/d.

It sounds like youve done GREAT getting clean...why chance it bro?

 

[BrainstormWithJace]

giving the op the nod on this one.

 

[Legerity]

It's certainly a risky decision and many people seem to get back into the same frequency of use as they did before.

I would ask yourself what has changed about you. Do you have more peace of mind? New lifestyle? Comfortable in your own skin? Goals that matter more to you? Etc, etc. The past is not doomed to be repeated but if nothing has changed since the last opiate period except time passing it seems like a similar outcome is very possible.

 

[etnies]

don't do it...it's not worth to risk it.

 

[koomba]

I didn't bother reading all the other replies, so forgive me if I am repeating some people, but regardless it needs to be said.

Just the fact that you even made this thread and are asking this question, before just going straight into it, I think pretty much answers your question. I think you and I both know that this will not work out how you plan in the long run. I mean, just look at the facts presented in your OWN post. You already said how you started out with a "plan," only use every 2 weeks, then weekends, then only 3 days, etc, etc. Most people who have messed with opiates for any extended amount of time know where that road leads. Sure, we might be able to keep it up for some time, in your case 4 months, but in the end it always ends up with addiction and continuous daily use.

I don't say all this to try to be condescending or to lecture you, I am simply speaking from experience. I have been through a VERY similar experience as you, kind of crazy. Although really, it isn't all that surprising, honestly most stories of addiction follow the same general story. The only things that differ are the small details and when or if you ever manage to finally figure out that you CAN'T "control" your drug use and avoid spiraling out of control. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that drugs are inherently bad, or that there aren't people who can't manage to control their use.

But for people like me, who have stories similar to you, this is almost never, without fail, the case. I mean just think about it for a second and go read your post again. Just stop and THINK about it for a second. People who can CONTROL their use don't IV strong, POTENT painkillers and semi-synthetics like heroin. Heroin is serious shit. I'm sorry, but well adjusted, self-controlled people do not IV heroin. I am not one of those well adjusted people. And from the sound of it, I strongly doubt you are either.

So again, look at your past and the simple facts. The daily use, I covered that. Going to rehab for several months. I also did that. Twice. And want to know why I went the second time? Because I said the exact same thing to myself. I won't IV, I'll just snort/use sparingly/limit my use/etc. And yeah, I managed to stay off the IV for about 3 months. But once you are back in that mindset of getting high, even if it isn't every day yet, your thought processes change. And the way they change are very subtle, you don't and can't notice it objectively. Just one day, when you aren't using daily, you think to yourself: "hey, since I'm managing to NOT use every day, I must be doing good! So why not just IV a little bit then? I could actually use LESS heroin! Or half as many pills! And that way I will spend less money, get a better high for my money, have to go cop dope less often, etc, whatever, *insert random rationalizing bullshit to ease my conscience.*"

So to answer the question in your title and at the end of your post, NO. Please, please don't take any of this as talking down to you or treating you like an idiot or a bad person AT ALL. Every single word I posted was with an attitude of care and compassion for my fellow travelers. If I can convince anyone, even just one person, to save themselves from the agony and endless viscous cycle that I spent the better part of 6 years in, then I have done some good on this forum.

This place is supposed to be about harm reduction first and foremost, correct? If so, then this is definite, firsthand experience and advice on some serious harm reduction. It will greatly reduce the harm, suffering, destruction, and absolute hopeless desperation that you experience in your life. Hopefully something I said will stick with you and you will be able to discover that life offers other pleasures and real happiness that doesn't have to be induced by some of the strongest IV opioids on the planet. You aren't supposed to have to IV just to experience pleasure in life. It isn't normal. Trust me. Take care of yourself and best wishes.:D


Edit: I'm sorry for the terribly long post, but I feel obligated to try and help others after reading so much on this site that helped me immensely. So many on bluelight, particularly TDD, literally saved my life. Much love BL!