Is there anybody that has been clean from drugs for a substatial amout of time?

I use synthetic cannibinoid (have to give drops) every day, and I drink beer/wine several times a week though I don't get drunk.

Kicked Adderall (~3 months) and Klonopin (~6 weeks) most recently. I went through a month-long period of severe social anxiety.

Alcohol and cigarettes make (my) depression the worst.

Exercise and not sleeping in are what keep my mind the "lightest".

I take an OTC sometimes that is a little addicting but gives me pep. I have to fight that. (ephedrine).

I'm getting there, and I feel like I'm part of society again (priceless)!
 
12 days here, feeling the same. subs are a nightmare no one should ever have to deal with.


addiction is worse...
that is why we give it our all to get clean.
i hear all these stories n am just so overwhelmed with pride.
Im very happy there are still ppl out there that can be saved or save themselves.
Feel good about your sobriety, you all deserve such relief.
 
damn, i'm pathetic
i've been having a hard time going a week without drinking,
and last night i drank and did some adderall and haven't slept in 30 hours
:|
but when i'm cleaning up, i feel a lot better.
and agreeing with villian.. tea, water, yoga, meditation
also, soaking up some rays, getting outside, doing human things like making and eating food together
socializing but not if you feel you might fold
personally, i've been blocking out any and all emotions for so long that being sober is kind of mortifying, because everything comes back infinitefold, but i've been told that the hardest part is reaching and overcoming that threshold
 
^ yeah this. Everything is alot more intense sober, for good or for worse. I find people alot harder to stomach but things like art, music and literature ALOT more edifying.

I'm at about 70 days since I stopped bupe. It's been more like 9 months since I stopped benzos. I've been drinking like a motherfucker, but only at night and not too much. Just very regularly.

I've been up and down so many times over the past few days. I have no idea where the fuck I'm at.

How long do I have to stay sober before I can say with justification 'OK, I tried sobriety/life, it's not for me'?
 
damn, i'm pathetic
i've been having a hard time going a week without drinking,
and last night i drank and did some adderall and haven't slept in 30 hours
:|
but when i'm cleaning up, i feel a lot better.
and agreeing with villian.. tea, water, yoga, meditation
also, soaking up some rays, getting outside, doing human things like making and eating food together
socializing but not if you feel you might fold
personally, i've been blocking out any and all emotions for so long that being sober is kind of mortifying, because everything comes back infinitefold, but i've been told that the hardest part is reaching and overcoming that threshold
I can really relate to all of this, good post :)
Oh and hey, you definitely are NOT pathetic for having one slip-up. In fact, the more you beat yourself up about this one time you drank and took adderall when you're supposed to be sober, the higher at risk you are of completely falling off the wagon and starting to use habitually again. You need to accept and validate the fact that small relapses are an integral part of getting sober, it's going to happen, just pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and keep on going :)

How long do I have to stay sober before I can say with justification 'OK, I tried sobriety/life, it's not for me'?
Mate, I know you've been clean from opiates and benzos for a substantial amount of time and that is excellent, but if you've been drinking on a regular basis, then you haven't been sober.
To be sober you have to be clean from all recreational substances, including alcohol. If you've been drinking then you still don't know what the "sober life" is. I'm sorry if that might sound harsh, but I don't want you to be fooling yourself <3
 
How long do I have to stay sober before I can say with justification 'OK, I tried sobriety/life, it's not for me'?

This is exactly my problem right now. Life on drugs v life without them. I've been clean substantial amounts of time in the past, but I truly wonder if it was any better than where I am at right now. :\ Personally, I don't know if a sober life is, for me, any better. Which is just depressing. :\
 
But isn't it essentially normal to drink alcohol in moderate amounts? I don't see how it's necessarily pathological.
It is "normal" because we're Australian ;)
This is something I have had a really hard time dealing with as well, because literally every single person I know drinks alcohol almost every day. So it's hard for me to accept that a) I have a drinking problem, b) that the amount of alcohol I drink is unhealthy, and c) that compared to everyone in the whole world it actually isn't normal to drink nearly every day.
Anyway, all of that aside, if you're drinking almost every day with the purpose of numbing your emotions or to switch off your thoughts, then that in itself isn't normal nor healthy.
I'm not trying to be all preachy or anything, I just want to make sure you're thinking about it logically and weighing up all the possible consequences, so that you don't suddenly find that after overcoming all your other addictions you're now addicted to alcohol. That would suck massively.
 
i only binged on 12mg hydromorphones for 3 weeks and stopped cold turkey (my supplier is no longer available) and i crave it everday.. Not like blow or mdma, but if there was some hydro sittin in front of me right now i'd do it in a heartbeat.

Opiates feel too good. Better than mdma imo. Sucks how it's so damn addictive. I saw a thread about opiates on another drug forum and i couldn't even open it because all it does is make me reminisces of the good ol days when i got hydromorphs whenever the fuck i wanted. god damn psychological addictions..

In other words i can't even imagine what you're going through if only a 3 week binge makes me feel like an addict. If you got the willpower to stop for this long than i've got a shitload of faith in you dude. You can do it.
 
Yeah, I suppose you're proabably right n3o, and that being in Australia has quite a bit do to with it. One of my housemates is Italian and he said to me the other day 'everyone here just gets shitfaced all the time...it's incredible'.

*le sigh* I just cannot see myself doing this sobriety thing. Nothing is getting better. In fact the opposite has been true if anything. My shrink prescribed me oxazepam despite my massive history of benzo abuse and depite his deeply anti-drug mentality - this makes me think that it must be his view that there's just no other way for me. I hate benzos. I fucking hate them. They fuck my head so completely and I can't understand the most basic shit.
 
^What are your options right now, and what are you currently consuming? You don't have to take the benzos if you don't want to. If you hate them and have a history of difficulty with them then that's good enough reason not to want to.

Sober vs. not sober is NOT the only thing that matters. If you're sober there are still issues to deal with, if you are using drugs there are issues to deal with. If you don't want to stay sober you're gonna find reasons to justify not doing so.

The most miserable time in my life was BEFORE I got into drugs. No matter how bad I got, nothing came close to the pain of the years before I even touched drugs. It's not the sobriety thing that's the issue. This is life. We all find ways of coping and some people use drugs for that. Using drugs won't make you happy and sobriety in itself without anything else changing won't make you happy either.
 
I suppose you're right. I'm currently on 20mg lexapro and 60mg avanza. I have some Serepax (oxazepam) but I've only used them once and am deeply averse to the idea of making them a part of my life. I've been so unimaginably fucking depressed the past few days; have barely been able to shower or eat. Have skipped all my classes. Am not talking to anyone.

The only thing that can hold my attention is thoughts of suicide. I spent 3 hours yesterday trying to prove to my satisfaction that the effect of suicide is to extinguish the world and people's grief by connection. I want out so fucking badly.

This is the first semester in like 2 years that I've been back at uni and doing full-time study. If I had nothing else to do I would think about changing my meds but I just don't feel like it's an option right now. Man my head is so totally fucked; if people could see inside it they would be frightened and ashamed.
 
i really wanted to find the answer to this question, how long before you are happy after you quit opiates, PAWS and all that shit...but the answer isnt here nor anywhere else, happiness is what you make it(philosophy would be a better place to search for it), drugs only create synthetic euphoria then fuck with your head for a LONG ASS TIME. thats all, FUCK POTATODADDDY! hahA i havent been on here in forever, great site.
 
I was clean off EVERYTHING 2 years--the longest ever in my adult life, especially after 25 years of using. As far as how I did it, there was some religious program on one morning asking people to call in and be healed if they wanted, so I thought why not. I did call, and a prayer was said over me, 2 weeks later I got busted again for a dime of meth. I went to jail 17 days, and the first 11 days were the hardest, but I had to change my attitude about my life being over, I'm fucked, blah blah. I did, slowly things got better and by the time I was out of jail, the obsession to use - physically and just the general intensive jonesin even after the kicking is done--simply vanished. I attributed THAT to a freakn miracle and believe to this day that it WAS. I did NA not just cause the court said I had to, but kept going long after it was no longer required. I did everything NA said, sponsor, steps, I got up to step 9, and yeah my life did change. I WAS truly happy in ways I hadn't been in years. This is NOT to say, though that for me, just cause there are consequences for NOT using, doesn't mean that the reverse is true--that there ARE consequences for staying clean as well. The first to go were my looks, I got fatter than a whale, and tried to pretend it didn't bother me, but it did. My writing, artistic talents I completely failed to get back in the creative mind set---which sucked. I finally chalked it up to being a whale and creativity were lost forever. What did me in was taking Tramadol. Long story short, I didn't know it was an anti depressive med, or I never would have touched it. Ever since then I have been tired 24/7, unless I take a maintainance daily dose of speed. I was tired 24/7 for 9 months clean, and I never would have lasted that long had it not been for NA, but finally I couldn't and wouldnt take it anymore--knowing there was a "treatment." Also, when clean 2 years, my ADD came back which is a huge pain in the ass. The speed treats these symptoms, it's been 30 yrs now as a user---except for the 2 years clean. I was happy for the most part, but in the end, the being tired 24/7, spending mega hundreds of $$$$ in lab and doc bills without any relief in site and having to work full time---THAT for me had been the deal breaker. They say in NA our "disease" knows how to take us out, and for me I'm at my WORST tired even more so than being in pain. It was my own doing that brought the problem on, but not being able to afford going to Canada for Ibogaine to get off the Tramadol, and get relief from the 24/7 fatigue, and even plain ass running out of $$$ clean and sober after hundreds of $$$, NA was right. the "disease" took me right back out again, it was pacient, it didn't happen all at once, and even if you dont believe in the disease aspect, which I don't really--I get the point. Had I never picked up Tramadol, I'd of had no reason to pick up speed. Getting high wasnt what took me out, it was plain wanting relief. The funny thing is though, as hard as it is now for the last two years using again, I ask myself would I have ever managed to lose more than 20 lbs of the 100 lbs I gained? No, I tried for 9 months, Weight Watchers, exercise, and the ADD? I sure as fuck don't miss that bullshit. Sigh. And I can write again, although not like I used to because of working 5 nights a week and adult responsiblilities I didn't have before getting clean. The great thing about being clean was the support of the whole network in NA, plus my family, ect. Using, well I trust using acquaintainces about as much as I trust rattle snakes---with the exception of one person. Using friends are only fun in small doses for fun, but unlike my NA, clean friends when I had them, they were there for me through thick and thin in REAL life. Yes its possible to be happy. I hated some things intensively about using, loved others and loved the benefits being clean had to offer, and tried to focus on the good, but the crippling fat, the ADD, the loss of creative artistic side I hated just as much. Everyone is different. Some folks obviously don't have my issues clean that didn't rear their ugly heads as I did, but if you're really honest with yourself, there's always issues---especially veteran users like me. I never found the answer to resolve my fat, ADD, artistic talent and lacking enthusiasm even trying nor do I know what the answer is now. All I knew was to focus on what was good, which worked for me until the whole Tramadol, chronic fatigue crap that never left even 9 months clean and quitting. It did something to my brain chemistry to tell it I'm tired 24/7, which sucks ass. Thats what took me back out. Ive always been a low energy person anyway, lacking what others had naturally, except as a kid being hyper. Adulthood took the hyperness away, but attention deficiet stayed. Anyway, that's my story. I certainly would caution anyone especially that doesn't smoke cigarrettes or drink coffee, WATCH THE FOOD and defo stay the fuck away from Tramadol if you're trying to stay clean. Aside from waking the opiate hunger up all over again, I swear kicking that damn drug was worse and would not go away as far as the chronic fucking fatigue.
 
yes me! i think i just got bored of the life style. taking stims on a weekend basis for some 6 years began to eat at me and i felt the people who were my closest friends were becoming my enemies. i didnt trust them. i tore myself from those people.....not only that i fell in love and my partner began falling down the slippery slope because of me which made me feel insanely guilty.....together we noticed it was no life for us. not long after we needed to fill the void as weekends became boring and our quality of life was still lacking.
my partner and i decided we wanted to get married, start a family and concentrate on building a better life for ourselves and here we are! getting there slowly but surely! rarely look back but i miss the rave scene and SOME of my friends.
 
Stopped a 50-60mg/week 2c-e habit, five months ago. Pyschedelic habits are strange.
 
yes me! i think i just got bored of the life style. taking stims on a weekend basis for some 6 years began to eat at me and i felt the people who were my closest friends were becoming my enemies. i didnt trust them. i tore myself from those people.....not only that i fell in love and my partner began falling down the slippery slope because of me which made me feel insanely guilty.....together we noticed it was no life for us. not long after we needed to fill the void as weekends became boring and our quality of life was still lacking.
my partner and i decided we wanted to get married, start a family and concentrate on building a better life for ourselves and here we are! getting there slowly but surely! rarely look back but i miss the rave scene and SOME of my friends.

that's great you are able to maintain your relationship with a partner who you previously used with. personally i have found it hard to separate the memories of using from the person i love. i was an addict before we met but she wasn't however she did dabble from time to time. she did quickly become an addict when our relationship started so i do feel a lot of guilt for encouraging her addiction in any way. particularly because i know that the only reason i encouraged it was for my own benefit. since getting clean, reflecting on the way our relationship deteriorated because of our use was one of the most intense feelings of guilt i've ever felt.
 
Addicted to opiates for over 11 years ...... clean for almost 6 years

As far as being happy, I am happier now then I was using. But, I have come to a realization that most people with addictions have to actively seek out happiness. To just sit back and let life happen usually isn't the best formula for us, needing professional assistance to keep our brains wired right or simply knowing that you need that on a conscious level helps. At least for me.
 
Addicted to opiates for over 11 years ...... clean for almost 6 years

As far as being happy, I am happier now then I was using. But, I have come to a realization that most people with addictions have to actively seek out happiness. To just sit back and let life happen usually isn't the best formula for us, needing professional assistance to keep our brains wired right or simply knowing that you need that on a conscious level helps. At least for me.

can you go more detail into this i dont quite understand what you mean?
 
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