Psytrance clubs....what's that all about then?

[MrM]

I'm not responsible for the name. And I never claimed it was 'better than everyone else's'. I said anything with goa in the title was wank. Which it is.

Man you're mardy. Happy birthday.

Did you listen to the soundcloud link to the psytrance there? I think i may have over reacted a bit and taken your general criticism for 'goa' like trancey psytrance (which i share) as specific regarding the link I'd posted you probably hadn't even looked at.

And if you can find some links to anything psytrance you'd consider worth listening to i'm still genuienly interested. As the previous 4 posters between you and me thought my psytrance submission a bit rubbish you'll have to forgive me for being a bit defensive. If there's better psytrance out there point me to it please!

Re-reading your post more carefully you don't even mention the track so i doubt you'd heard it at that point.

Here it is again in case you missed it.

 

[nomy]

^^In the cold light of day, I find it shite to be really honest. Like I'm in a room full of 20 kids playing Sonic. But when I finally got to a psytrance venue, I found myself in a completely different headspace and was bouncing with the rest of them. And loving it. So for me, there has to be a certain *ahem* chemical switch for me to find the appeal. But there is, and I do

But as for the vibe and the people at these events; from my single experience, I found it the best I have ever experienced.

Bring it on....

 

[headfuck123]

freakshow nights ended a while ago, they were great nights tho
im talking about a different wee night, aint exactly legal so aint giving out the name

i never got out to the freakshow nights. always intended to but didnt get round to it for various reasons.

well you have to inform me of the next illegal party

 

[SpecialK_]

i never got out to the freakshow nights. always intended to but didnt get round to it for various reasons.

well you have to inform me of the next illegal party

Look up DSNT, that's what's came out've Freakshow. Some banging nights as a result, you missed some belters though.

 

[headfuck123]

cheers. ^ i know im ragen i missed them. i loved the front page, i went to a few hardcore nights that were unreal. Smurf and Endymion in the same night! i hear its being turned into a gay bar now

 

[SpecialK_]

Supposedly...not that it didn't go out without a bang with Radium though. Might take them a little longer to renovate than expected after the mess.

 

[headfuck123]

damn i wasnt happy about missing that night too. (fucking cast on my leg) yea the place was always a mess when i was there. perfect for a dirty rave

 

[tm1210mk4]

Taking acid on my own is an experience... fuck doing it at a full on rave.

 

[PsycheDanic]

Evad knows.

The cunts can only afford one sample kit for Reason because they've spent all their dough on enough acid to make the music bearable.

You're probably close there. Making music has never been easier and there lies the gem and the flaw in music production for the masses. It's a funny old thing, but I find most of the best music is made from people with musical ability, or at least a modicum of musical understanding. Crazy I know. But I also find most builders are better if they have a knowledge of what they do instead of just a few bricks, a bag of B&Q quick dry cement and a van.

Everyone with an interest rather than ability has a hacked copy of Reason or FL Studio/Fruity Loops these days. With that stuff, all you need is to be handy with copy and paste. If you have some musical understanding and knowledge, then great, you may produce something special. If not, you're more likely to produce mediocrity - at best. There's nothing wrong with that, but there is when people start to take themselves seriously.

Sure, I'm an old school musician now changing my style and experimenting with new technology, and I probably am a bit of a muso snob, but as such, it's so easy to spot the shit out there. And there is such a lot of the 'same shit - different texture' going off. Far too many people who just use off the shelf grooves, keyboard pads and bass loops etc, without even trying to adapt or create their own. Good fun, but it ain't inventive.

/soapbox

My point is, the above accounts for a lot of the shit out there.

Oh, happy BL birthday SHM Carriage clock anyone?

I think you'll find that psytrance producers are among the most competent in EDM. I'm a psy producer myself, and am friends with a lot of other psy producers, and you won't find many who use loops. If you listen to the synthesis techniques in certain styles of psy, as exemplified in the tunes posted in the mix a page or so back, you'll notice that a LOT of time and effort goes into producing them. In no other genre will you find such creative use of synthesisers - fact! Look at d&b, almost no talent goes into synthesis (and actually, that genre, for the most part, is more repetitive than psy), and almost every other genre in EDM subscribes to the whole melodic approach - way too many genres using untouched square & saw waves - how's that for creativity?!

Sorry, I just feel the need to defend psytrance because I do feel that much of it is cutting edge in terms of production. Here are some tunes I think excel in terms of mind-boggling production:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jpqPKpSyk4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WZeNyt3cN4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVdvLy1S4lU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lpo7hGv938E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etkrOkLonAY (this track is actually beautiful)

This is, IMO, what sets (decent) psytrance a cut above the rest of 4/4 EDM. So much creativity, less emphasis on track structure (don't even get me started on 4/4 music that relies on crowd-pleasing build-ups and breakdowns...euch) and much, much, much more interesting than techno, which truly is copy & paste music.

 

[nomy]

I have no argument with your sentiment at all. I was talking about general music production (especially EDM) done by bedsit Bob, a laptop, a few apps, a variety of cracked software, some spot cream and a sample pack or two. I wasn't having a go at Psy at all. Love it or hate it, the producers of psy are incredibly inventive...mostly. Though an interest in that genre pretty much dictates that IMO

My argument, is that because nearly everyone with a PC now has access to the tools needed to create half decent EDM given a basic musical/creative ability - most of them simply don't have that basic ability or knowledge. There's nothing wrong with people having a go at all, but it does sometimes make it difficult to find some decent wood amongst the many, many, average and overcrowded trees.

But seriously, read my comments again. It was just a general rant against amateur wannabe dance 'producers'. But like I say, I'm just a muso snob. And no way am I qualified to have a go at psy producers. I'm struggling to master it's art myself. And I am a musician of *cough* a few years...

Out of interest...any links to your own stuff?

 

[Darksidesam]

Ive found that Hard House sometimes just sounds like Hard Psytrance if that makes sense.
one track i was listening to at a club the other weekend was EXACTLY like a Psytrance track ive heard, Just harder drums.

Trippyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy =)

 

[PsycheDanic]

I have no argument with your sentiment at all. I was talking about general music production (especially EDM) done by bedsit Bob, a laptop, a few apps, a variety of cracked software, some spot cream and a sample pack or two. I wasn't having a go at Psy at all. Love it or hate it, the producers of psy are incredibly inventive...mostly. Though an interest in that genre pretty much dictates that IMO

My argument, is that because nearly everyone with a PC now has access to the tools needed to create half decent EDM given a basic musical/creative ability - most of them simply don't have that basic ability or knowledge. There's nothing wrong with people having a go at all, but it does sometimes make it difficult to find some decent wood amongst the many, many, average and overcrowded trees.

But seriously, read my comments again. It was just a general rant against amateur wannabe dance 'producers'. But like I say, I'm just a muso snob. And no way am I qualified to have a go at psy producers. I'm struggling to master it's art myself. And I am a musician of *cough* a few years...

Out of interest...any links to your own stuff?

Ahh, sorry for the confusion. My post was more aimed at partttime crackhead, but I quoted you too because you seemed to agree with him.

I think your comment applies to all music, to be honest. It is indeed easy for anyone to download cracked software (to which I'm guilty of )/pick up a guitar, write any old shit and get released, but that, IMO, just makes the good stuff even better. I've noticed that whenever I get into a new genre, I tend to be oblivious to the naff stuff and just enjoy everything (which is probably quite a good thing, I guess). But, as time goes by, you do start weeding out the good from the bad. I really do think psytrance production excels in terms of creativity and technicality, and ever since getting into music production I've started to dislike a lot of the full-on stuff,because it relies too heavily on cheap dance floor tricks, like predictable risers, breakdowns and build-ups. Oh god, I hate build-ups.

However, I have nothing against amateuristic producers - we all start somewhere, and hopefully one day they'll learn how to produce stuff better.

As for my own stuff, here's the SoundCloud link to the music my friend and I make: http://soundcloud.com/jotunnpsy Hope you enjoy! You got a link to your own music at all??

Peeeace.

 

[PsycheDanic]

Ive found that Hard House sometimes just sounds like Hard Psytrance if that makes sense.
one track i was listening to at a club the other weekend was EXACTLY like a Psytrance track ive heard, Just harder drums.

Trippyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy =)

Can sort of see the similarity. Same bass patterns 'n' shit. Hard house is preeeetty cheesy though. :s Too clubby! And it sounds nothing like dark psy (thankfully). :D

 

[DS_]

Being a great producer and producing psytrance isn't too far from being a great artist and shitting on paper. Why not just paint a fucking painting?

Waste of talent.

 

[PsycheDanic]

...and what do you suggest we start producing? Honestly, what style(s) of electronic music do you think is/are better than psytrance?

Comments like these are utterly fucking ridiculous.

 

[DS_]

Happy Hardcore. Just with cheesier vocals.

 

[Myshkin]

Being a great producer and producing psytrance isn't too far from being a great artist and shitting on paper. Why not just paint a fucking painting?

I would have a (kind of) counter-argument to that with my love of the esoteric, but that's such a good quote that I won't.

Don't give a fuck about psytrance either way, in case anyone wondered.

 

[nomy]

However, I have nothing against amateuristic producers - we all start somewhere, and hopefully one day they'll learn how to produce stuff better.

I'll admit [reluctantly] that's a fair comment. You obviously haven't reached the same heights of muso snobbery that I have yet It is just jealousy and bitterness really born of being a musical instrumentalist. I did it the hard way, but the only way available for budding musicians then; I spent 8 years locked away in my bedroom learning the guitar. Then, having attained as much mastery as I was gifted with, I spent 15 years as a gigging musician earning my colours by playing in shit-holes. A few cruises, tours of Europe and the Middle East were interesting, but it was mostly shit, broken promises and failed record deals. I dreamt of having my own little studio, but apart from little TEAC and Fostex 4 track cassette machines, there was fuck all chance of professional studio access without shed loads of cash, or a lead singer with big tits and loose morals.

Then along came MIDI and the PC. Bastards. I had to start learning all over again.

So.... bitter? Me? You fucking bet! Born 20 years too early and it's all the World's fault.

OK, I'm not truly that resentful. But I am surprised that given the huge and cheap access that soooo many people now have to such resources, the music that comes out doesn't fulfil it's potential.

Anyway, I digress. This thread is EMD or NEMD bound soon.

You got a link to your own music at all??

Peeeace.

I do, but it's so far from psy, or even dance that you need a passport. I've linked it in the past, but it's always guaranteed to kill the thread so I'm not sure it's wise to do it again. You can find it if you dig deep into the soft underbelly of BL though. It's usually the last post

But I'm still a musician, and Psy is just one of the <infinate variations of the art of music production and I am eternally learning and open minded to the end. Your stuff is well produced I can say that much. Bloody good in fact. I would love to have the techniques you've aquired. I have such a lot to learn....still.

Anyway, my OP was to enquire about the atmosphere and the chemical composition of the people who go to Psy events. I have my answer. It's all good.

 

[weevil]

I like the melodies in psytrance, I move along to them mostly with my arms. I'm not a snob though and willing to try out different genres. I also like Industrial and EBM which sometimes sounds similar to psytrance and sometimes the opposite. Only thing I don't like is drum & bass, there's not enough in it for me. I don't listen to any of this at home mostly, I just like going out and being very unsober. I miss the monthly night in Sheffield, haven't discovered anything similar in Norwich but I haven't looked very hard. A new mate said he'd let me know when there was something good on though I have to be careful what I take now.

 

[bighouse911]

I like the melodies in psytrance, I move along to them mostly with my arms. I'm not a snob though and willing to try out different genres. I also like Industrial and EBM which sometimes sounds similar to psytrance and sometimes the opposite. Only thing I don't like is drum & bass, there's not enough in it for me. I don't listen to any of this at home mostly, I just like going out and being very unsober. I miss the monthly night in Sheffield, haven't discovered anything similar in Norwich but I haven't looked very hard. A new mate said he'd let me know when there was something good on though I have to be careful what I take now.

has yesss a lovely arm groovey wobble :D