Drug dealer who shoved meat down pants of overdosing man gets life in prison

I know if I were to use some kind of powerful opiate I wouldn't wanna be around some person just starting to do it. Just for the fact that if they OD and die you will go to jail whether you call 911 or not.. it makes no sense...
 
He was convicted of "distribution of heroin resulting in death".
But the real problem was that he didn't take the dying guy to the hospital, or call 911.
Then again, a large part of that is due to the crazy drug laws...
If drugs were legal, the quality of all heroin would be controlled, so an overdose would be much, much less likely.
Then, if it occurred, it would not be a risk to call 911.
So, first, I think we need to blame this on the drug war.

Second, the guy was a shit for not calling 911 or at least a taxi to take the dying man to the hospital, and he deserves jail time for that, if you ask me.
Ya the overdose probably wouldn't even have happened. Nowadays heroin is cut with kratom and all other kinds of shit that makes the heroin more toxic - more lethal. You never really know what your tolerance is to shoot up a batch of some shit off the street to get high, and then again everyone could react differently to the various cuts so you never know with street crap.

So ya all around the war on drugs, not just because they are illegal the asshole guy couldn't legally call, but ALSO because the war causes impurities on the street from drug cartels who have absolutely no regard for human health or hygeine. The same is with cocaine nowadays & levamisole. More people are smoking crack and OD'ing from heart attack with less and less cocaine - the levamisole itself is extra cardiotoxic!
 
This is why ampules or vials of narcan have to be made available to ppl on the street. Every hard IV user of dope should have a vial of that shit around somewhere. Obviously it does no good if you are by yourself, but if you are using with other ppl, they literally have the antidote to save you without having to call the medics. Ive heard so many hilarious remedies for an OD, injecting milk, saltwater, ice to the genitals, put them in a cold shower ect im sure there are a bunch of other funny ones.

That's a good point- a lot of people don't even know about that. 1.) They need to raise awareness about narcan and how to use it. 2.) A federal law needs to go into effect that people that call 911 when someone is overdosing will not get in trouble. A "good samaritan" law. Those two things alone would save so many lives.
 
That's a good point- a lot of people don't even know about that. 1.) They need to raise awareness about narcan and how to use it. 2.) A federal law needs to go into effect that people that call 911 when someone is overdosing will not get in trouble. A "good samaritan" law. Those two things alone would save so many lives.
well that and the fact he was running a dopehouse ...
 
What if you call 911 and say your friend just fell over, cracked his head and started convulsing or something like that, would they still send the cops too? And, if not, when the paramedics got there and realised what was going on would they call the cops?

What if you carry them out onto the street and wait for the ambulance there, the police couldn't go into your property without a warrant right? If you call for paramedics how are the police entitled to come in too? Can't you just tell them to fuck off?
 
What if you carry them out onto the street and wait for the ambulance there, the police couldn't go into your property without a warrant right? If you call for paramedics how are the police entitled to come in too? Can't you just tell them to fuck off?
Nowadays they would probably get all suspicious and get a warrant. I swear "probable cause" for a search warrant seems to be less and less thesedays..
 
Nowadays they would probably get all suspicious and get a warrant. I swear "probable cause" for a search warrant seems to be less and less thesedays..

Totally true. It's more like "probable stereotype/opinion"

Like people are saying, fewer people would OD and die if drug laws were more made to cater towards hard-reduction and not absolute, squeeze-my-dick, abstinence.
 
I'm glad to see that he got life in prison. My "best friend" did something nearly identical to me and I woke up days later from a coma to find out that I had been dead for several minutes and all my organs were basically nonfunctional. Somehow I recovered 100 percent, but I will never forgive that guy.
 
once years ago i had a customer OD in my house after i sold dope to him. normally i would never allow anyone to fix at my house but i stupidly did on this one occasion.

i actually did grab ice cubes and shove them up his butt. and it DID work. he came to very quickly (he had been turning blue) but had it not worked i would have either called 911 or taken him to the ER.

another time this happened with friends and one guy ODed and hit the floor and started turning white and then blue. we dragged him to the car and went fast with all the windows open to the ER. the cold air blowing on him woke him up right when we were pulling into the ER!!!

but of course i would think that in the case of a 'real' overdose that these methods would be useless. these people ODed on one small piece of tar each. after that we made our pieces smaller...
 
Medically, Narcan and Naloxone are the #1 solutions for helping revive someone from a full fledge Overdose.

I have personal experience with people overdosing on heroin. Many people bug out and do anything they can to revive someone who has completely overdosed or is boarderline/semi overdosing. There are different degrees of overdosing. Many people have always been told that ICE and ICE Cold baths helps stimulate your CNS and will quickly shock someone in an overdose help revive them. But it will place an individual into a shock in a negative way.
In certain harm reduction training its taught that it is ok to splash cool water or place the individual in a cool shower until medical help arrives. You just have to be aware and cautious that water does not enter the nose or mouth.

I'm not trying to play the devils advocate but I like to view things from both sides. I believe that this short summary of what had happened, does not tell all information and is not give a good explanation as to why he was sentenced the way he was.

The case did reach the US District Court. It's not state District Court, it's US which means its a federal crime. So at some point the feds took over jurisdiction. East St. Louis has the highest crime rate in the United States. My guess is the DEA has been tracking this guy for some time. I wouldn't be surprised it they originally also tried to convict him of some degree of murder/manslaughter but he was found not guilty. the prosecutors/judge found a way to twist it into murder by distribution of drugs. He was probably a big time dealer in the area and he has $ for a good lawyer. what he was exactly charged with is a bullshit charge that is construed to give the law enforcement some closure to lock someone up for good who is a thorn in their sides.

"three counts of distribution of heroin resulting in death, maintaining premises for distribution of controlled substances and distribution of crack cocaine to a person under the age of 21."

I'm not saying the charge is correct or wrong, I'm not here to start a moral/ethical debate..... Sounds to me tho that the Feds where after this guy for sometime. They wanted to take him down but didnt have enough evidence. This happened and I wouldn't be surprised if the law enforcement didn't plant evidence and twist some facts to help the prosecution. Just because they are federal agents, doesn't mean there aren't crooked cops. I would speculate that either this guy went down with the 3strikes Law that Illinois has..... or if possibly he had a new batch of drugs he was trying to push. he called up another street gang affiliate. the individual that died sampled the product and simply Overdosed. The dealer bugged out and tried to revive the individual. DEA who had the guy on surveillance for drug dealing kicked in the door and BOOM. All down hill from there
 
I love it how local newspapers chop and screw the facts. Straight from the DOJ. This gives a somewhat better understanding

http://www.justice.gov/usao/ils/News/2011/Aug/08252011_Doyle Press Release.html

Stephen R. Wigginton, United States Attorney for the Southern District of Illinois, announced that Tavis D. Doyle, 43, of East St. Louis, Illinois, was sentenced today in United States District Court to prison for the rest of his life for the offense of Distribution of Heroin Resulting in Death. A jury previously convicted Doyle, on February 22, 2011, at the conclusion of a 2-week jury trial.

Doyle also received concurrent sentences of 60 years for Distribution of a Controlled Substance to a Person Under 21, and 20 years for Maintaining Drug-Involved Premises.

“Heroin distributors, such as Mr. Doyle, are no better than cold-blooded murders. Mr. Doyle’s actions reflect this fact and his sentence properly punishes his actions. My office will continue to pursue the distributors of illegal drugs and to bring them to justice for their crimes.” said United States Attorney Wigginton. “I have said in many places, at many events, that drug dealers are on notice – the poison you dispense kills people. You will be held responsible for your actions, even if you do not intend to kill. If convicted, your punishment will be severe, as Mr. Doyle has discovered.”

According to evidence presented at trial, Doyle sold heroin to Jonathan “J.J.” Ward on May 28, 2009, at a crack house which Doyle maintained on Walter Street in East St. Louis. Ward, an Effingham, Illinois, resident who was 30 years old when he died, was pronounced “dead on arrival” at Barnes Hospital on May 29, 2009. Witnesses testified that Doyle had refused to allow anyone at his residence to call 9-1-1 when Ward collapsed. Instead, Doyle attempted (unsuccessfully) to revive Ward by placing frozen meat in Ward’s pants. Doyle then insisted for several hours that Ward “just needed to sleep it off.” Acquaintances of Ward eventually transported Ward to Barnes, approximately twelve hours after Ward’s collapse.

In addition, according to witnesses who testified at trial, Doyle provided copious quantities of crack to a 17-year-old female runaway from rural Kentucky who lived with Doyle during the summer and fall of 2008.

The case was prosecuted by Assistant United States Attorneys Robert L. Garrison and Michael J. Quinley.
 
Pretrial Article from March 2011

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_e240101c-52d7-58db-ad0b-552ee8a08e64.html

Illinois feds, police, target drug cases that kill

O'FALLON, ILL. • Faced with an "unprecedented" boom in the number of heroin overdose deaths, Southern Illinois' top federal prosecutor issued a stern warning Thursday to users and dealers of illegal drugs: "We're going to treat every overdose as a potential homicide."

U.S. Attorney Steve Wigginton's admonishment came during the announcement of a new partnership of federal, state and local law enforcement aimed at reducing the deaths due to heroin and prescription drug overdoses, the two largest categories.

St. Clair and Madison counties have seen 35 heroin overdose deaths since January 2010, Wigginton said. Madison County saw five heroin deaths in 2007, seven in 2009 and 18 in 2010.

The group will include police, prosecutors and federal forensic, intelligence and computer experts, armed with federal statutes that carry potential penalties of 20 years to life in prison.

Wigginton's office has handled eight overdose death prosecutions in recent years, winning significant prison sentences, he said.

As recently as Feb. 22, an East St. Louis man, Tavis D. Doyle, was convicted of distribution of heroin resulting in death, and two other drug charges, for selling a lethal dose of heroin in his crack house in 2009, prosecutors have said.

After Jonathan "J.J." Ward, 30, of Effingham, overdosed, prosecutors said, Doyle didn't allow anyone to call 911 but instead tried to revive him by placing frozen meat in his pants.

Doyle is scheduled to be sentenced in June.

Wigginton said that federal and local prosecutors will coordinate efforts to find the "most appropriate" jurisdiction for prosecution. He noted that federal law does not require him to prove that the supplier of a fatal dose meant for the user to die. Nor do prosecutors have to prove that the supplier was a major drug dealer.

He also warned anyone who would clean up after an overdose death or hide drug evidence that prosecutors could use obstruction of justice or other charges to strongly encourage cooperation.

Wigginton said that he hopes drug users and dealers will hear about the initiative and realize the consequences of what they're doing.

St. Clair County State's Attorney Brendan Kelly said his county was not only seeing an uptick in heroin cases, but also in associated violence, including shaken-baby cases.

"If you're dealing in heroin, you're dealing with death, and you will be prosecuted accordingly," he said.

Madison County State's Attorney Thomas Gibbons has his own warning: "We want parents to know. We want teachers and schools to know. This is in your community already," he said.

The Post-Dispatch reported last year on a "heroin summit" in St. Louis after a similar spike in deaths on the Missouri side of the river. St. Louis and St. Louis County alone recorded 100 heroin overdose deaths in 2009.

In both cases, officials blame a spike in purity — many multiples of what was once found on the streets — and an increase in the availability of the drug.

Read more: http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...2d7-58db-ad0b-552ee8a08e64.html#ixzz1WTk8BXvk
 
“Heroin distributors, such as Mr. Doyle, are no better than cold-blooded murders. Mr. Doyle’s actions reflect this fact and his sentence properly punishes his actions. My office will continue to pursue the distributors of illegal drugs and to bring them to justice for their crimes.” said United States Attorney Wigginton.

Comparing a drug-dealer to a murderer is a nasty stretch. Very strong, deluded bias even through text.
 
while I agree that preventing anyone in his residence from calling 911 is a dick move, what prevented the OD victim's "friends" from dragging him out to the streed and calling 911 from there? after all, they took him to the hospital hours later. Also, to those who suggest you can call 911 and be gone before the police arrive, if you call from a cell phone the police have all the info they need to track you down. After all, who has a land line anymore and I have not seen a pay phone in a high crime area in years.
 
What the guy should have done is called him a cab who could have taken him to the nearest hostpital, or driven him his damn self. He ran a "crackhouse" so he didn't want the cops there. Funny thing is, ambulance operators don't really want to call the cops, either. They want to diffuse the situation themselves without dealing with asshole cops and paperwork. I've been in wrecks before and the ambulance people tried to convince me to get in the ambulance and go to the hospital. I was just really shaken-up but I guess I could have seemed under the influence. The paramedics were looking out for me, and it was obvious that I wasn't injured in any way.

As for the sentence, that's how it goes these days. I saw something on TV about a guy getting life in jail for murder. He didn't pull the trigger, and wasn't even in the remote area when the victim got shot. He simply tipped his friends off about a guy who carries around alot of cash. They went to rob him while he's in his car, the victim speeds off, and the gun is accidentally discharged into the victim's chest. The guy who tipped off the jackers about the victim was convicted of first degree murder, just as if he had walked up to the guy and shot him in the head.
 
Also, to those who suggest you can call 911 and be gone before the police arrive, if you call from a cell phone the police have all the info they need to track you down.

I'm pretty sure they can't track you if you take the battery out of the phone and head for the hills.
 
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