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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine FAQ & Megathread v3; 2010 - 2022

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did dope last 16hrs ago-took4mgbupe and feel horrible

i did dope (supposedly fent) about 16 hours ago.
now i took bupe to combat the wd but i feel its made it worse.
i took 4mg total.
is it really possible that this precipitated wd's and i didnt wait long enough?
 
Possible? I guarantee you that you're going through precipitated WD from what I just read. Like you said, you didn't wait long enough. Whatever you do DON'T take more bupe..that'll just make it worse. Once you feel OK then you can take more.

I've gone through precipitated WD so I empathize with you..its torture. I'm not going to lie to you, it could last a while, so unfortunately you're gonna have to stick it out. Good luck Tyler.

EDIT: I originally didn't want to mention this because of harm reduction, but since you're probably going through hell right now I feel bad for you. DO NOT DO THIS UNLESS MULTIPLE PEOPLE COMMENT ON IT AND GIVE THEIR WELL INFORMED OPINION/INPUT..I DO NOT WANT YOU TO OVERDOSE. The one time I went through precipitated WD, after about half a day into it I acquired some oxycodone and I took a somewhat large dose (not huge, big larger than my average dose). Apparently the amount of oxy was strong enough to overpower the bupe on my pain receptors and immediately stopped the PWD (from what I understand about bupe, but I could be wrong). All I truly know is that the dose of oxy stopped the PWD, and if it wasn't for that I don't know how long I would of gone through that terrible experience. I'm not recommending you do that, I'm just telling you what happened to me and my experience.
 
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so when is the earliest you should take bupe?
ive seen places where its written you can take it since 12-24hrs after the last opiate dose
it was well over 15-16hrs
 
Generally they say you should wait atleast 24 hours. Its strange though..one time I waited about how long you did and felt fine after I took the bupe, no problems. Yet the only time I went though PWD I waited WELL OVER 24 hrs before I took the sub, so that's a good fucking question.
 
It is really hard to say exactly how long one should wait, as there are so many variables at play. It can be different for every person, drug and situation.

I usually try to wait at least 12 hours but then again I am on maintenance and if I only use for one day I will still have some sub in my system so that makes the transition back a lot easier.

No matter what I always seem to get a little bit of PW, but that usually only lasts an hour or two at most. Usually I try to get myself to fall asleep for a little and when I wake up I feel better, but if I have been on a long binge I find it takes a few days to feel better. I assume you have to get the levels of bupe back up to where they need to be.
 
I've been through PWs 4 times and I feel for ya they are hell. From my experience they last like 4 days then the suboxone will start to make you feel better.

LIke the other dude said I don't want to see you overdose but the 4th and last time I did it . I was able to kick myself of of PW by taking the same dose of the opiate I was taking before the bupe.

It just so happens that my opiate of choice is fentanyl. Fentanyl is some seriously potent shit and every time I've switched back to bupe it's sent me into PWs. The first time I waited like you 16 hours and it freaked me the fuck out . I had no idea of what PWs were. I rode it out the 4 days it was hell.

The second time I waited a full 24 hours and was in what I felt pretty severe stages of withdrawal. Took the bupe and within 10 minutes PW. Rode it out 4 days again.

The third time I waited 36 hours same deal only withdrawing extremely severe and the bupe magnified. 4 days of PW again.

The last time waited 48 hours figured there was no way PWs were even a chance. I took my suboxone at 1AM closed my eyes half fell asleep and came to 20 minutes later goin thru that horrible shit again. This time I wasn't taking this shit first thing in the mornin had my dealer bring me a fentanyl patch and instantly sucked the gel out. Immediately I felt better. I DO NOT RECOMMEND THIS. This is how I've always done my fent.

My point being is this fentanyl is some seriously powerful stuff and you are still half medicated but feel like you're in withdrawal . You really still have it on your receptors the bupe kicks it off and you're fuct.

I've been dying to chip and go on one of my fent benders but won't bc I'm horrified of PWs again.

I hope my story helped ya in some way and I hope you can figure out what works for ya. I know what you're going thru and feel for ya big time good luck.
 
Tripman said:
I'm getting bumped up to 32 mg of bupe from 0 in like 10 days. Does this seem excessive? fuck it does to me...
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Yes, that is excessive. Many people on here manage hundreds of mg oxycodone or equivilent doses with 2mg sublingual bupe or less. IME you're only going to get more side effects and less positive effects with a dose that high, and it will be harder to quit as well when the time comes. The ceiling dose of bupe is likely at least 10mg below 32mg if not more, so it's not just an excessive amount, it's stupidly excessive.
 
^They try to do that here too; we on BL just try to inform people that it's generally not the greatest idea to dose so high.
 
See what works for you... if you don't have to take so much, don't. I just got off a 72+mg/day Dilaudid habit and .5mg 2x a day is holding me fine.
 
tyler5 said:
so when is the earliest you should take bupe?
ive seen places where its written you can take it since 12-24hrs after the last opiate dose
it was well over 15-16hrs
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You pretty much just have to wait until you are in withdrawals. Depending on what opiate you last used, this could be anywhere from 8-24 hours. For me, I usually would go into withdrawals pretty quickly after my last does of heroin. About 8 hours after my last does i would begin going into withdrawals and it would be safe for me to take my sub.

I feel for you man, I took suboxone once too soon and was put into precipitated withdrawals. Strangely, for me they only lasted like an hour or two and then i felt fine. Now I'm curious if it's common for them to last 24 hours+ that would be like hell...

Anyway, as a rule of thumb wait until you are actually in withdrawals. I'm sure you know what they feel like so you should know when you are. Once you feel withdrawal symptoms it should be safe to take suboxone.
 
You should actually be well into withdrawals. Like take the amount of time it took to feel the first symptom and double it.

Precip withdrawal only lasts a few hours unless you have some kind of very strong and long-lasting opie in your system, In which case they will be longer and worse.
 
dpatches said:
So as I've said been on suboxone for about 2 years now. It was great in the beginning. I felt normal again was able to get my life back together, got a great job going, my own place, my own boat, no more trouble with the law, and money in the bank.

I was actually happy and things were better than they'd been in my 15 years of being an opiate addict. Yeah I'd chipped a few times and will do some free base a few times a month but I was extremely happy and things can't be going any better.

Over the past 4 or so months though I've been extremely depressed. Nothing seems to make me happy not even being out to sea cathing tons of lobsters on my commercial lobster boat. Which by the way being at sea has always made me smile. When I'm not working I'm basically asleep, I don't really go out and meet people like I've done my whole life.When I do go out people notice that I'm pretty much a miserable prick, a person that isn't me. I've forever been a happy person who loved life and enjoyed going out , being adventurous, meeting new people, and funny to be around. You know the life of the party. But lately thats not the case. I hate evrything and just wanna sleep and be miserable. I can't even stand my self or the reflection I see in the mirror. I was never self loathing. I can't fucking take it any more either.

So basically what I'm getting at is has any1 else experienced this? What's going on is it the suboxone? I was never this bad even at the height of my addiction which was really bad. 10 80mg OCs (the real ones not OPs) or 3 grams of dope a day with a shit load of legal troubles. Can any1 help me please with a similar story or some advice as to what's going on. I can't stand the person I am right now. I want to be me again?
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That is almost exactly how I felt about Buprenorphine. It worked pretty good in the beginning, got that "mood stalilizing" feeling of it.
But as time went on I began to get more and more depressed with the whole Buprenorphine thing. And almost everybody I know gets to this place sooner or later. Thats why I don't think you should be on Bupe for too long.

I switched to Methadone (not only for that reason but many others too) and I immediately began to feel better when the Bupe was out of my body.
 
I've been on Bupe for 8 months now, clean from everything (weed/alcohol/everything) too... started at 16mg. Down to 12mg now. Doctor wants me to go really slow, which is fine with me.

I have been on the tablets but recently got switched to the strips. Doc said they're easier to divide (I take one and half 8mg strips a day, for 12mg total) which is true.

I used to snort the tablets every now and again, as it gave me a bit of a buzz.
You guys think I could cut the strips up and place them in my nose? Kinda press them into place or something and wait for them to dissolve? Would it produce the same effects as insufflating a tablet?
 
i took 8mg of subs yesterday (08-22)
and 4mg of subs today (08-23) and about 4hrs from my last 2mg sublingual sub, i get 3 bags of dope (supposedly fent)and get totally wasted off them.

very cool as i was hoping maybe a small codeline like high over the the 3 bags smoked at once.

but i got wasted just smoking the first whole bag, i was nodding and high, then i smoked the second bag too.
that put me even more into nodland and even more high and i just sat in the parking lot drooling for a time.
started drivng but noticed im still nodding too hard, so i pulled over and nodded in peace and had a sig.

funny, 4-5 hrs from 2mg bupe (10mg in the last 24hrs) and i can get wastd off my ass on one bag of plain 3-methylfentanyl.

now the question is,
do i have to wait in wd 24hrs till i can take bupe again or it wont matter since theres a shitload in my system already anyways.
 
It is my experience that you don’t have to wait as long to take your sub if you have been following a regular Suboxone dosing schedule for a long time and only go on a one day binge of short acting full agonists and don’t use excessive amounts. In this situation I try to wait at least 12 hours, but have waited less time and as long as it has been less than 24 hours since my last sub dose I have never really had any major PW’s.

You may get a few minuets of discomfort once the Sub kicks in but this should subside fairly quickly and I think a lot of it is in your head.

I always take my dose and do whatever I can to fall asleep before the sub hits and usually this allows me to sleep through any minor discomfort and I wake up feeling fine.

Now for longer binges…well wait as long as you can, and be ready for a couple of hours of shitty PW’s if you dose too early.

Gotta pay the piper eventually.
 
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