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what have you found to be the closest to n, n dmt?

n,n-DMT. I think you're taking the wrong approach trying to replace a chemical with another one to emulate the same experience. Apples and oranges, they may provide similar experiences but each is a universe of its own.

That being said, if you are looking for intense breakthrough experiences, there is DPT, it's probably the closest in structure of all the other psychedelics I know to DMT too so technically it's the closest you'll get. For an entirely different and unique type of breakthrough there are dissociatives, Ketamine, Salvia, Methoxetamine etc.

There's also mushrooms, and the 4-substituted tryptamines, when taken in large enough amounts they can rip you out of this world completely for many hours. Many have compared high dose mushrooms/psilocin/4-AcO-DMT to oral DMT, but I can't verify if that is true or not.
 
Like someone else said, there is no psychedelic that can fully substitute for another. (Not to mention the fact that each experience on the same psychedelic will be different as well.)

With that said, mushrooms have often given me a similarly "organic"-feeling trip. Both offer me much less lucidity than a synthetic but still *some* headspace for insight. As far as the visual and dissociative aspects of DMT, honestly the closest experiences I've had were with a wholeeee lot of (extracted) Dextromethorphan and that is certainly not for lack of experience with other, more "well-respected," psychs.
 
Jesusgreen said:
n,n-DMT. I think you're taking the wrong approach trying to replace a chemical with another one to emulate the same experience. Apples and oranges, they may provide similar experiences but each is a universe of its own.

That being said, if you are looking for intense breakthrough experiences, there is DPT, it's probably the closest in structure of all the other psychedelics I know to DMT too so technically it's the closest you'll get. For an entirely different and unique type of breakthrough there are dissociatives, Ketamine, Salvia, Methoxetamine etc.

There's also mushrooms, and the 4-substituted tryptamines, when taken in large enough amounts they can rip you out of this world completely for many hours. Many have compared high dose mushrooms/psilocin/4-AcO-DMT to oral DMT, but I can't verify if that is true or not.
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But even DPT and other breakthrough drugs seem to differ quite a bit from DMT. IME the breakthrough worlds are different for each substance.

DPT breakthroughs are more of a mass of color and thoughts than other worlds like DMT for me. What parts of the DMT experience are you trying to emulate?
 
DPT imo, but it surpasses and destroys DMT for me, it has such varied effects, as DMT is almost the same every time for me.
 
I've yet to try DPT but it's def on the list since i've found a reliable vendor for the stuff.


It's really hard to match up to n,n-dmt though
the closest thing is probably it's oxide, but of course it forms from the n,n-dmt itself.

An alternative that may also be similar is to extract dmt from the MHRB and to cut the dmt completely out, and smoke the rest of the 'jungle' alkaloids, they're similar to DMT but are stronger, last longer, and give me the goofiest high i've ever had.
 
I find hig dose ketamine or methoxetamine to be very similar to dmt in some parts of the trip.... but I guess the same could be said for anything.... but the whole spacey floating morphing parts are often similar... for me at least....
 
Once you do enough dmt, you begin to notice similarities between your dmt trips and your other-drug trips. Like dmt deja vu. Like when I've taken acid, I could have sworn part of it was exactly a dmt trip. Same with ketamine or methoxetamine... There were parts of the "hole" that were, in my opinion, identical to part of a dmt experience.

To answer your question though, n,n-dipropyltryptamine (dpt) is probably your closest bet.

25-30mg 4-AcO-DMT (O-Acetylpsilocin aka "synthetic psilocybin") has given me a very dmt-like trip when plugged.

I feel like all tryptamines open the same parts of your brain, just at different speeds and potencies.
 
I've heard that DPT can cause tachyardia, is this true? I just wondered if it could be considered dangerous to a degree, though I know DMT is completely harmless physically.
 
When these comparisons are made between MXE and DMT, could you explain to me what exactly you mean? I've only had a breakthrough dose of DMT in ayahuasca brews, even though I've smoked DMT on numerous occasions, and have tried Ketamine, managing the hole a few times as well. I've got MXE in the mail, and now I'm really interested in this.
 
LogicSoDeveloped said:
I've heard that DPT can cause tachyardia, is this true? I just wondered if it could be considered dangerous to a degree, though I know DMT is completely harmless physically.
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I'm a bit worried about this fact since I read the DPT-trip reports on Erowid. I've always thought there's nothing to worry about psychedelics but since my 5-MeO-MIPT, Methylone combo disaster I'm a bit more concerned about the effects on the heart and circulation. Are there any informations concerning DPT's safety and it's most safe consume form?
 
!!4iV4HF9R34g said:
When these comparisons are made between MXE and DMT, could you explain to me what exactly you mean? I've only had a breakthrough dose of DMT in ayahuasca brews, even though I've smoked DMT on numerous occasions, and have tried Ketamine, managing the hole a few times as well. I've got MXE in the mail, and now I'm really interested in this.
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I'm talking about high doses of both... I've only smoked dmt on a dozen or so occasions but most have resulted in full immersion breakthrough levels... around 40-60mg... this results in hallucinations of being in a vast space filled with a feeling of acceleration and floating through various worlds of fractrals and very tactile surfaces...

At high doses of mxe 100-500mg iexperience similar sensations and visuals... the main difference in the mxe trip is that its "more friendly"... sorta easier for your mind to"let go" and feel welcome... dmt is very intense and a bit scary at first I find andi almost feel like I am in a competition with it... mxe makes it feel natural... familiar... like your returning to a place that you knew very well in the past... like reuniting with an old friend or visiting a special place you knew as a child....
 
Devourer said:
An alternative that may also be similar is to extract dmt from the MHRB and to cut the dmt completely out, and smoke the rest of the 'jungle' alkaloids, they're similar to DMT but are stronger, last longer, and give me the goofiest high i've ever had.
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I'm pretty sure that you still need the DMT and that these other 'jungle alkaloids' work with DMT to potentiate it's effects and is what causes a somewhat different trip at a lower doses. I may be wrong though but this is what I understand about Jungle Spice.
 
^ what doses are people taking to achieve effects that are close to DMT? I know that 4-ACO-DMT has effects similar to DMT at doses around 15-20mg, but how far does some one push the dosage to achieve qualitative DMT effects?
 
That may be up for other people to comment on so I may be posting out of turn - because I never took it to try and get a DMT experience from it... but I myself think that the great thing about 4-AcO-DMT is that it doesn't have the insane acceleration DMT has. 4-AcO-DMT qualitatively has effects similar to DMT at all doses it is active at in my opinion. Quantitatively in terms of flash/rush/intensity you will probably need to be at something like 30+ mg but it is still not the same. It just isn't DMT, so do yourself a favor and accept that and settle for what 4-AcO-DMT has to offer in it's own special way. Above 20 mg I myself have to say that with eyes closed I can be in a realm that is in ways indistinguishable from DMT although with eyes open it may almost seem like there is not that much going on. But it can be an illusion and suddenly I might realize that things have a very strange hue. I think that 4-AcO-DMT has a way to be sneaky and let you go extremely deep while you are not even aware that you are going that deep.

My advice if you want to go as "close" to DMT as possible (the semantics of close and similar etc are really confusing by the way) is meditate when you're on 4-AcO-DMT and that should take you to a mindspace that is really near it. If you are still dissatisfied then, then I think you're standing in your own way. ;) The fact that closing my eyes instantly takes me to those places as well as me actually having tried meditation on it are both subjective evidence of this claim.

4-HO-MET is also a perfect substance of course, but I find it much more similar to mushrooms although lighter and jolly-hearted. Exceptional colors as well.
 
No, not completely true.

Having DMT still in the spice makes it better yes of course,

but in the Jimjam itself there are plenty of mystery tryptamines and beta-carbolines (theorized) That get you high as all holy balls.

Just of course, make sure you're using mimosa hostilis for the extraction.
But he's asking for an alternative I guess,
If he could make jungle spice/jimjam than he could easily make DMT.
 
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