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first time heroin user how much??

hey, well i think im gonna score some next friday, my mate wants to do it with me too, she was quite happy to stay on coke but i convinced her to try h with me [we always try new drugs together} now i tried to tell her it may be a bit silly to jump straight into h without doing codeine or some other form of opiate first but i guess i did a pretty good job of convincing her cause she said she's gonna do some next friday, since the whole thing is my fault i guess i have to go along next week. :) but in fairness i do want to do it
 
^ You don't have to go along with it just because you suggested it. I always used to do drugs with my best friend too, then she died of a heroin overdose in March this year. I really really want you to try codeine first, mainly because you'll be safer, but also because codeine is a really decent high, but only when you have a low tolerance. Once you do harder opiates your tolerance will never again drop to the level where you can get a great high off codeine. You really should make the most of this cheap, awesome high while you can.
 
oh my gosh im really sorry to hear about your freind footsy, that must have been terrible ecspecially if you were drug buddies.. i do want to start off on codeine as it sounds like a good opiate, especially for me cause my tolerence is low. mabey i can get some by next friday and do those instead. :\ i heard you can snort codeine it might be more fun than just doing a cwe??
 
Yeah it sucks, I miss her a lot.

You can snort codeine but it's a lot more of a fuck around - since after a cwe you're left with codeine dissolved in water, you'd have to leave that to evapourate for a day or two, and even then as codeine is a pro drug it needs to go through your liver to become effective anyway. So snorting it doesn't make a whole lot of difference.

I don't think you'll be disappointed with codeine. I'd recommend using panafen plus - and though you have to ask for at the chemist, us girls have it a lot easier than the blokes ;) I've found pharmacists a lot less fishy on me than my boyfriend when I buy it.

Trying codeine first would be good even if you do decide to buy smack after that. At least with codeine you can get an idea of what an opiate high feels like before forking out more $ to buy heroin. You can also experiment with which antihistamine works best for you on codeine, so that you can get the most out of smack when you do try it.
 
I am in two minds about the idea of taking weaker opiates before heroin, on the one hand it is clearly safer from an OD perspective but honestly the use of restraint and common sense should prevent this from happening if one is careful with their dosing, especially someone with no opioid experience who is not likely to be (although ofcourse it is possible) getting onto extremely pure dope. The thing about lighter opiates is you get a good fucking taste and work your way up over a period of time which is usually a fairly substantial period but you are much more likely to get a habit this way.

I think if you feel you may be looking to get high on opioids to relieve some depression is a pretty strong indicator you would be a reasonable candidate for a habit down the track, I wont be a hypocrite and tell you that you shouldn't do it but I do urge you to reconsider whether it is the best choice for you. Not many people acquire addictions by choice but I feel that many who do it happens to due to factors outside of pure enjoyment of the drug such as feelings of depression or anxiety which are temporarily relieved by their drug of choice.

If you choose to take heroin I would advise towards snorting it, the trick with heroin I find is to snort small amounts at a time (particularly important as an opioid naive individual) and making sure to inahle lightly, you don't really want a drip as this means some of the dope is going into your belly and it has a shit oral bioavailability. Smoking is quite wasteful if you don't have good technique but as well as that I have come to find it a noticably shorter lasting high as well as one that hits pretty fast and doesn't give you the oppurtunity to enjoy the whole spectrum of opiatedness that gradually insufflating small amounts allows.
 
hmm so i guess its pretty pointless to snort them then lol no matter ill just do a cwe. :D it is true that us girls have it alot easier than guys when it comes to getting scripts from doctors and shit. dont really know why that seems to be the case but it is...thanks for all the info though i found it really helpfull and ill let you know how i go with the codeine though.. thanks again :)
 
thats an intresting point of view drug mentor and something that definantly makes sense to me, your saying it can be more likely ill get a habit by building my tolerence? to tell you the truth i am scared i will get an addiction to the opiates no matter what i take wheather it be codeine or heroin for that matter, yes i am curious about heroin and it is one of the reasons i wanted to do it but i also want it to help with my depression. ive been wronged by alot of people and been through alot of shit in my life and feel like it will help. im at that point where i just dont care.... i do however know this type of thinking is what can be dangerous when mixed with opiates,so i think if i keep this in mind then things shouldnt get too out of hand......
 
^ Ella, it really seems to me that opiods are not the right choice for you at this point in time. I can honestly tell you that without having experienced opioid addiction on any real level above a short term codeine habit I have definately fell into periods of drug addiction largely influenced by periods of depression and/or anxiety. I almost feel like its a waste of time to be saying this shit because when I didn't care I wouldn't listen to anybody, let alone some random forum dweller, but the truth is that awareness of addictive properties of a drug really are not going to reduce the liklihood of you developing a problem if you are using them for the wrong reasons.

The main reason that heroin is less likely to resonate with you at first than a drug like codeine is that is too potent for someone who has never developed a tolerance to opioids to not feel the negative effects quite strongly, when you are experiencing strong nausea among other symptoms it is likely that regardless of the euphoric properties of the drug being felt as well that you will not consider it a particularly worthwhile experience, especially considering the price tag that dope carries.

Perhaps you should seek some counselling and possibly some appropriate medication if it is neccessary, I am a big proponent of drugs in a lot of ways and almost contradict myself in a sense that I feel anyone who died without nodding has missed out on something truly beautiful, the thing is that you have plenty of time and good reason to get your mental health in a state that you are much less likely to succumb to a dark path chasing that beautiful feeling.
 
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Wow you are all so lucky to have such great experiences with codeine. I used to enjoy it but the first time I tried oxy I cried from euphoria and happiness.
 
Drug mentor thankyou so much for your concern I do appreciate it . You have given me a fair bit to think about.. ill be honest with u I still haven't rueled opiates out completely but I know they are not the answer to my problems. It is very easy to use drugs as a coping mecanism for depression and am sorry to hear you too struggle with it. As a long time reader of this site to me you and a few others aren't just random forum dwellers but people with opinions I respect. I will think on what u have said and let u know how I get on.
 
DM, I agree with all your concerns about the addictiveness of opiates, especially when 'self medicating' with them, but I'd have to disagree that by starting with codeine you're much more likely to develop a habit. I think that if you're going to get an opiate habit, you're going to get it regardless of whether you begin on smack or codeine. While heroin is much more likely to give you a bad experience, I don't really think suggesting you try heroin first to experience the bad side effects as a deterrent is wise advice, or even realistic. I think there is far more benefit in starting off with a safer opiate, than the off chance that a first heroin experience is going to be that bad you'll never touch it again. Realistically, if someone is at risk of abusing codeine, they're also going to be more than likely to keep trying heroin until it works for them.
 
hey guys, so i actually got a script for some panadine forte's 30mg from doctor yesterday, i took 6 of them and after about 2 hours, felt really drowsy it was actually quite europhoric, although i was very dizzy couldn't get up even to go to the toilet coz i was scared id fall over somewhere. {this i didnt mind though} i feel asleep for a few hours and since it was my day off i thought i might as well take another 4 lol =D bad idea woke up with a really bad stomach ache was still drowsy but couldnt get to sleep cause of the pains in my stomach. :( but all in all it was ausome i was so relaxed for the most part of the day, eventually i did get to sleep and i actually woke up feeling quite refreshed, like i just had a really good nights sleep...i guess i did =D

i suppose i thought id wake up a bit confused or something but i actually felt reenergized lol. and i couldn't be fuked doing a cwe but i will in future dont worry guys. i dont know how long ill be able to get scripts for though, :\ have to get the ones from chemist when these run out.....oh well!!!
 
^ yeh this isn't really the right thread for codeine discussion ella123, but be careful with products containing paracetamol. Please stick to the recommended daily dosage (spread out across the day as indicated and taken with food) as paracetamol is very toxic to your liver. Take the panadeine forte as needed for pain and if you're interested in taking codeine recreationally then look into getting cheaper & weaker pills and doing a cold water extraction.
 
yeah completely understand, just thought id update everyone on what i ended up doing. feel free to delete this thread if need be :D im gonna try and stay away from heroin for now.. at least :\
 
oh oops, totally missed that you were the original poster. nevermind me >.> <.<

Yeh in all seriousness, do NOT procure and take heroin. If a handful of panadeine forte gives you a decent high then stash these away and use them instead. You will thank me.

Take care :) <3
 
Do be careful with paracetamol, as little as 4g can cause liver damage - that's only 8 panadeine forte. Since you've taken 10 yesterday make sure you don't take any today, as overdose can also occur through accumulation over time. The symptoms of potentially fatal liver toxicity often don't appear for 24 hours. When I first started doing cwe's I used iboprofen formulations because although ibuprofen has it's own problems, the amount for overdose is a lot higher, which is probably a good thing when you're just starting to do cwe's and haven't refined your technique.
 
shit i know paracetamol's not good for you,but as litttle as 4g? 8o lol thats not much at all

and to think i was gonna take another 4 just before bed tonight lol that was close....=D
 
I think the danger of paracetemol is a little overstated in healthy individuals, but with how easy a CWE is there's no reason to not just play it safe.

Glad you had fun with the codeine, if you're still getting a great buzz off it then there's really no reason to get into heroin just yet, codeine is much cheaper and safer :)
 
ella123 said:
i heard you can snort codeine it might be more fun than just doing a cwe??
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No for a number of reasons. Firstly you won't be able to get pure codeine without a prescription, and secondly and most importantly it won't work anywhere near as well if you snort it, as it needs to be digested and go through the liver to form the active metabolite. Thirdly you are very likely to get a nasty histamine reaction if you snort it, which can be very unpleasant at the best of times. Having your whole head blow up into a purple ball and itching your face until you bleed would not be fun....
 
The maximum is 4g because the companies need to be able to cover their arses in case some one is sensitive and dies from their product, Im sure the actual maximum is a little higher
 
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