Loss of Closed Eye Visuals

[Mongrel]

I used to have very prominant CEVs during my first 3 or 4 trips (16th of shrooms, 2 tabs of acid, an 8th of shrooms, then 4 grams of shrooms). This was around a year ago, & I would see the most vivid imagery I've ever seen. Closing my eyes was being immersed into a whole other world of pure color & form. The frequency at which I would trip was around at least a month apart.

On my fourth trip, four grams of psilocybes, the CEVs were there, but less complex, less colorful, but still pronounced. On that trip I had an unexpected ego death. During the dissolution of boundries my eyes were closed the whole time, & the presence of the CEVs & the trip was so overbearing that all thought was completely pushed out of my head.
Since then, I've never had as pronounced CEVs.
I still have them, but they're vague & fleeting. The next time I did shrooms was last thanksgiving, & the CEVs were less otherworldly & more like mental imagery.
I went through a few good monthes of smoking DMT almost all the time, & even with DMT I had either no or very little, translucent CEVs. I've had vague CEVs while sober, while drifting into sleep, CEVs while High or on Salvia, but never quite like how they first were. At least with my second time doing acid a few monthes ago the CEVs were more pronounced than they had been with DMT, but it's still depressing to lose that wonder.

Does anybody have an idea of why this would happen? Or what I could do to provoke stronger CEVs? Also most times I've tripped I've never really been all too high, but even the times I was high the CEVs were still vague. I'm just hoping I'll get the magic back someday.

 

[sekio]

The one thing I have found with CEV's is that those who expect them don't get them, and vice versa.

 

[Mongrel]

The one thing I have found with CEV's is that those who expect them don't get them, and vice versa.

That makes a lot of sense. Some of my best trips were the ones I wasn't even hyping up in my mind prior or during. In my friend's expierence when you're clear headed you have an unrestrained trip, because if you aren't giving it anything to play off of it's all left on the trip to provide the expierence. My obsessive nature & fascination with the expierence has done more inhibiting than anything. I'm too ingest four shots of Pedro soon, it'll be my first expierernce with Mescaline, so there will be a bit of new grounds to cover. I'm just gonna have to stop thinking about it if I want a completely undictated expierence.
Glad to hear the magic's still here, I just have to stop looking for it.

 

[AlyDrops]

I've had the same experience with my CEVs, especially noticable as I used to do lots of sensory deprivation trips, and I agree with the sentiments that the more you expect the less you get. As you've said, just don't think about your trips too much beforehand, and try focusing on OEVs more. I don't know how much this applies to you but what I found for myself was that neglecting OEVs makes them start to fade away, but when I work on bringing them out again then the CEVs start to get stronger as well.

 

[Darksidesam]

Im sad for you that you lost yours.
i on the other hand have a different problem.
I spend wayyyy to much time online and when i get in a k hole i start seeing facebook and bluelight when i shut my eyes LOL

 

[Ismene]

Does anybody have an idea of why this would happen?

It's called tolerance. The more often you do it the less you get from it - particularly effects like cevs.

 

[Mongrel]

I'm supposed to do ket for my first time this weekend, will this in anyway refresh or reset the bar for other expierences?
It would seem nothing burns an impression into the psyche like the Serotonergic Psychedelics. Even Salvia Trips are left as fragmented remnants of some forgotten dreamscape, & despite the awe, wonder, & beauty expierenced with Salvia it's almost as if it never happened. But my psilocybin trips have played into my lsd & dmt trips, my dmt trips have played into my last lsd trip, & tripping in general has played into both Cannabis & Salvia expierences (likely more on a highly pronounced HPPD level, I kinda always have an impression of having tripped or still tripping).

Will some NMDA antagonism burn a similiar impression into my psyche? & Can I expect any CEVs with K? I'm feeling all too familiar with psychedelics & I'm hoping dissociatives will be a good contrast.

It's called tolerance. The more often you do it the less you get from it - particularly effects like cevs.

I don't trip every weekend or anything, & when I first noticed it it had been a while since I had tripped prior. Plus DMT exhibits no cross tolerence with LSD or psilocybin. Even on my last acid trip, which was incredibly intense, pretty hard trip, I had fleeting CEVs. Even on good DMT trips my CEVs were like siloeuttes of the whole picture.

 

[Ismene]

Plus DMT exhibits no cross tolerence with LSD or psilocybin.

That's what they say but I've always noticed a cross-tolerance between DMT and LSD/psilocybin. I always take DMT orally tho so perhaps that's why.

Taking DMT regularly massively decreases it's effects too. Taking it orally I need a good 2-3 months between trips otherwise you notice a big drop off in effects.

 

[Sandozer]

im sad for you that you lost yours.
I on the other hand have a different problem.
I spend wayyyy to much time online and when i get in a k hole i start seeing facebook and bluelight when i shut my eyes lol

lol

 

[Mongrel]

Taking DMT regularly massively decreases it's effects too. Taking it orally I need a good 2-3 months between trips otherwise you notice a big drop off in effects.

That's why I quit smoking it for a while. I never went into hypserspace, I was just attracted to how pronounced & strong the effects were. After a period of time It just stopped meaning anything. No matter how beautiful the expierence, I wasn't learning anything from doing it constantly. Smoked DMT seems just too short to really have profound epiphenies, most the reflection starts on the comedown In my expierence.

 

[AlyDrops]

That's why I quit smoking it for a while. I never went into hypserspace, I was just attracted to how pronounced & strong the effects were. After a period of time It just stopped meaning anything. No matter how beautiful the expierence, I wasn't learning anything from doing it constantly. Smoked DMT seems just too short to really have profound epiphenies, most the reflection starts on the comedown In my expierence.

That's where Ayahuasca comes in handy. Smoked DMT is more just like a crazy fireworks show, or tripping for the sake of intensity. Also, I think in this case it doesn't apply so much to individual drug tolerance like DMT vs LSD vs psilocybin, etc., it's more just tripping tolerance in general. All of these drugs hit those serotonin receptors in your brain, and your mind is going to get used to it unless you take a long break from it. Like, long enough to kind of forget what it's like.

 

[Mongrel]

That's where Ayahuasca comes in handy. Smoked DMT is more just like a crazy fireworks show, or tripping for the sake of intensity. Also, I think in this case it doesn't apply so much to individual drug tolerance like DMT vs LSD vs psilocybin, etc., it's more just tripping tolerance in general. All of these drugs hit those serotonin receptors in your brain, and your mind is going to get used to it unless you take a long break from it. Like, long enough to kind of forget what it's like.

Does Ayahuasca really take 12 hours to prepare? If so I don't see it anywhere in the near future for me. San Pedro's already been a work out brewing it down into Chimora. 4 or 5 hours of standing around isn't all too fun. That's how's it been for the past few weeks