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All I have to say about women.

A Blind Guy

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You have to talk to women a certain way as soon as you meet them, in order to ensure that you will not be friend zoned. It is possible that you can salvage yourself from the friend zone, but that time zone is small and if you are as oblivious, then you might not know when the time is up.

Basically, tease them. All the time. Constantly push them in ways that they are not expecting. This makes them interested. Don't give them straight answers, talk about other girls around them, and basically act like that one guy you think would get a lot of pussy.

If you act like they don't care, they will wonder why you don't care and pursue you, if you deflect their advances they will keep pursuing you.

That's all you really need to know. You have to present yourself as a cool, confident character. A little bit of cocky and funny on top of that and you are golden. You have to believe you are powerful, present yourself as powerful, and women will register that unconsciously. And confidence is always a great thing to have. Not confident? Exercise more, talk more, joke more. Always self improve, never stagnate. You have to be better than the next guy in order for a girl to choose you.

When it comes to touching girls its all about aesthetics. When you are touching a girl, you are showing her with your hands where you think she is most beautiful. Find a line or curve along her body, doesn't matter where it is, and stroke a finger or your whole hand down it. She will react to this, because most of the areas we men find attractive are erogenous zones for women. This is good for us.

Be firm but gentle, she must know where your hands are at all times but at no point in time should it hurt her, unless you've already realized that she's into that, then by all means, as long as she is ok with it, hurt her. Light scratching, pinches, all good stuff. Don't go punching her without asking, is all I'm gonna say.

As for fingering technique, there is only one thing I think I should share. If you are in the traditional pose, with her lying on her back and your wrist facing upwards, insert your ring and middle fingers. Press them upwards into the roof of her vagina, right under her pelvis. If you use your other hand to press down on her to keep her stationary while you do this I guarantee you will see some results.

To clarify, don't just move your finger tips upwards, but literally your whole fingers should just angle upwards without bending them.

If you want to make her squirt you're gonna have to build some forearm dexterity. Keep applying that technique and then start moving your fingers in and out at the same time, like you're beckoning to her from the inside of her vagina with your fingers. You'll start to feel added pressure around your fingers as her glands fill up before release, so it's actually like you're trying to force it out of her from behind those glands, adding pressure towards her vaginal opening. Keep doing this until, well, yeah. It'll happen.

I don't want to come off as some guy who claims to know everything, but the information I have just shared has proved very helpful to me in the past and I'm sure will be of great help to me in the future. I urge you to at least try it if you haven't and I promise you, friends, you won't regret it. And neither will your lady!

Oh, one last thing. If you are in the process of sex, and you happen to be in the doggy position, have her spread her knees out and get her pelvis as close to the ground/bed as possible. This should allow you to thrust in and down, effectively accomplishing the same inside action as your fingers with minimal effort. And it feels great so that's a plus.

I hope I'm not coming off as too much of an asshole, haha.
 
the idea that one set of rules applies to all women is idiotic.

alasdair

I thought that until I did the same behavioral patterns with different women and achieved the same results.

It might have been that those girls were similar in personality but that would be a pretty freak occurrence.

Even if you think all of that is bullshit, try coming at a girl from an angle she isn't expecting, and keep shifting her off guard through flirtation/innuendo/teasing. If you don't see any results then I will buy you the plane ticket to come kick me in the face and crotch repeatedly.
 
I would agree, generalizations are usually bad.
However, humans are just animals, and all animals see behaviors as more attractive than others, and women are no different.

The number one thing is to make her interested in you. In order to be interesting you have to be unique, so you have to do things or say things that she has never heard or seen before. Do that, be confident, make her laugh, tease her, flirt, sexual innuendo, and those are the behavioral patterns that women find attractive. And when she gets interested she starts to pursue you, deflect her pursuits or feign indifference (look at your watch/cellphone/around the room, lean away from her when speaking, don't contort your body in order to speak to her, make her change to speak to you, etc.) and she will wonder why you are not accepting her advances, so she will advance further.

It's a game. that's why they call it game. Gotta learn how to play it.

I'm not trying to fuck you guys over... I promise. Just try it.
 
That is true. But if your game isn't getting you any results, don't keep doing it... it isn't getting you any results.
I used to think that there was something wrong with women. how could they not be attracted to me?
Then I started being honest with myself and realized I had been doing it all wrong from the get-go.

I haven't noticed me feeling like that since I started doing what I have outlined in this thread.
I have also noticed a tremendous increase in sexual frequency.

It got to the point where I met a girl a couple times while I was blacked out (this is a girl who did not substances whatsoever) and still managed to do stuff with her because of the tactics I have outlined. (EDIT: could be postulated that this only happened because we were in college which might be correct, who knows. that girl was complicated as hell)

I'm just saying, it worked for me, I hope it would work for you guys too.
 
Haha, man you got this shit all figured out, huh?

Maybe every woman should come with a user manual, and you should write that manual dude!

Anyway, congratulations on your success in conning women into sleeping with you. Seriously, enjoy it. Personally, I can't play games or fake it with a girl. If I like her and she likes me, then great. Otherwise, I'm not gonna play hard to get or try to get in her head if I'm not already in there. :D
 
My game seems to get me hooked up with black chicks :)

My lady is half black. I prefer minorities; they are sexier to me.

Haha, man you got this shit all figured out, huh?

Maybe every woman should come with a user manual, and you should write that manual dude!

Anyway, congratulations on your success in conning women into sleeping with you. Seriously, enjoy it. Personally, I can't play games or fake it with a girl. If I like her and she likes me, then great. Otherwise, I'm not gonna play hard to get or try to get in her head if I'm not already in there. :D

Are you... mad at me? Do you think of me a bad person because I exploit this information and you do not?
At least I'm not awful at sex so she gets something out of it. I would feel a whole lot worse if I was "conning" women into a bad lay. Infinitely worse, actually, because I don't feel bad about this whatsoever.

The way I saw it was this; women didn't make sense. they don't, the friend zone is a perfect example of them not making sense. If I can bypass that by controlling the situation, instead of the girl controlling the situation, it just ends up working out for me.
That's what it really comes down to. You have to control the situation, be the master of yourself and your surroundings. Women are attracted to confidence, you can just ask them.

And whatever you do, do not let a woman walk all over you. That is weak, and women do not like weakness.
 
Eh, I agree that ignoring her a bit works... at first. But once you know the girl is interested, it's time to stop. Otherwise she's just going to assume you're not interested, and the one of three things are going to happen: one, she's either going to back off, which is going to then leave YOU unsure, wondering if she's actually still interested, and possibly regretting that you ignored her in the first place. Two, she's going to realize that what you're doing is playing a game, and either play games back (if she's that type), or decide that you're not worth her time and move on to a guy that will treat her the way she wants to be treated... i.e. one who's not going to be rude or ignore her. Trust me, it hurts our feelings when a guy we like ignores us. And option number three... if she's the insecure type, she's going to become SUPER clingy. And probably start pursuing you more than you want her to. And not give up until you tell her to leave you the fuck alone... which she probably won't, even then.

In another scenario, if you're switching back and forth between ignoring her and acting as though you're interesting, that's going to do nothing but frustrate the girl. I can almost guarantee she will start freaking out on you for dumb things. At least, that's what I (and most of the girls I know) do when a guy confuses us and won't make it clear whether he likes us or not. Playing it hot and cold is not a good way to go with women, trust me... it's frustrating and annoying and it just pisses us off. :(

Really, the best way to go about it is to play it cool AT FIRST. Just long enough to get her interested, and get you out of the "friend zone" as you say. It doesn't take long for a girl to decide whether she's interested. Maybe two or three days, tops. Personally, for me, it's usually the first time I hang out with a guy that I decide whether he has potential or whether he's just going to be in the friend zone. So I'd say after a couple days, hell maybe even a few hours depending on the girl... stop with the whole "I'm not interested in you" game. Definitely don't keep it going for longer than a week, because a girl will already know whether she's interested by then, and it's probably just going to backfire on you. I'm not saying it ALWAYS will, but a lot of the time... yeah. Although I have to say, I can think of two or three guy friends who were strictly "friend zone" for me, and then realized like a year later that I actually liked them as more than just a friend.

Anyways, you should give seminars on the proper way to finger a girl. You pretty much hit the nail on the head with that one. :D
 
Well each guy has his own game that he plays his own way

Exactly. You can make a "general rule" about guys and how they try to act alpha. But that doesn't apply to all guys. There are some calm guys out there that won't try to win your attention. In the same regard, there are women who will not try to play this game with you. I myself am very straight up and honest. And most guys, to me, are not worth my honest time and I would never associate with them other than being acquaintances.
 
Eh, I agree that ignoring her a bit works... at first. But once you know the girl is interested, it's time to stop. Otherwise she's just going to assume you're not interested, and the one of three things are going to happen: one, she's either going to back off, which is going to then leave YOU unsure, wondering if she's actually still interested, and possibly regretting that you ignored her in the first place. Two, she's going to realize that what you're doing is playing a game, and either play games back (if she's that type), or decide that you're not worth her time and move on to a guy that will treat her the way she wants to be treated... i.e. one who's not going to be rude or ignore her. Trust me, it hurts our feelings when a guy we like ignores us. And option number three... if she's the insecure type, she's going to become SUPER clingy. And probably start pursuing you more than you want her to. And not give up until you tell her to leave you the fuck alone... which she probably won't, even then.

Well it's up to the man to judge the situation as it progresses. You can't just keep playing games because that would be ridiculous and would end up with nobody having any fun, or sex for that matter.
I've actually informed a girl of the things I was doing (feigning indifference, etc.) and she even agreed that those were more attractive behaviors. But that was only one girl. I've told my current lady friend about it in detail and she also agreed, but that's only two girls so maybe I have no idea what I'm talking about.


In another scenario, if you're switching back and forth between ignoring her and acting as though you're interesting, that's going to do nothing but frustrate the girl. I can almost guarantee she will start freaking out on you for dumb things. At least, that's what I (and most of the girls I know) do when a guy confuses us and won't make it clear whether he likes us or not. Playing it hot and cold is not a good way to go with women, trust me... it's frustrating and annoying and it just pisses us off. :(

Again, can't play games for too long; will lead to nothing but frustration for both parties involved.

Really, the best way to go about it is to play it cool AT FIRST. Just long enough to get her interested, and get you out of the "friend zone" as you say. It doesn't take long for a girl to decide whether she's interested. Maybe two or three days, tops. Personally, for me, it's usually the first time I hang out with a guy that I decide whether he has potential or whether he's just going to be in the friend zone. So I'd say after a couple days, hell maybe even a few hours depending on the girl... stop with the whole "I'm not interested in you" game. Definitely don't keep it going for longer than a week, because a girl will already know whether she's interested by then, and it's probably just going to backfire on you. I'm not saying it ALWAYS will, but a lot of the time... yeah. Although I have to say, I can think of two or three guy friends who were strictly "friend zone" for me, and then realized like a year later that I actually liked them as more than just a friend.

This is exactly what I'm saying. You have to act like you're not just "another friend" immediately so that you can get past the friend zone and into her comfort zone. Playing it cool, as you say. Those two or three days are critical, though. You have to safely accelerate your physical connections and move farther into her comfort zone without moving too quickly and coming off as creepy. When I said that you had to deflect her advances I meant just that, though. Don't pretend to be completely uninterested in her, you just have to deflect her interests enough for her to be unsure, to wonder, and want to know more, to pursue with increased fever. It's a delicate procedure to say the least. You have to have this mystique about you... For instance, consider James Bond. James Bond is a very sexually attractive man, and he does it without even talking most of the time. That is advanced game at its finest. I also know he is a movie character but his personality is so ridiculously alpha male that it would work in real life. Tell me you wouldn't have sex with Daniel Craig as James Bond, or any of the Bond men as Bond.

Anyways, you should give seminars on the proper way to finger a girl. You pretty much hit the nail on the head with that one. :D
Yeah I have always been gifted in the tactile sense. I used to give massages to my entire track team at meets/practices and have received no formal training. I do not know why, all I know is that I have always known how to touch people. Just the way it is I guess, haha.

Exactly. You can make a "general rule" about guys and how they try to act alpha. But that doesn't apply to all guys. There are some calm guys out there that won't try to win your attention. In the same regard, there are women who will not try to play this game with you. I myself am very straight up and honest. And most guys, to me, are not worth my honest time and I would never associate with them other than being acquaintances.

You are not the average woman, and remind me of my current lady friend.
I would postulate that there is a large difference between a girl and a woman; a girl is that feeble, finicky creature you see giggling in groups at the back of gym class. They do not know what they want, who they are, what the believe in, have self esteem issues and act like, well, girls. Girls are usually all idiots.
Women are females who make up their own mind, know what they want, what they believe in, who they are, and are not afraid to participate. And they don't scream like banshees when a soft felt ball moves past them at 10mph.

I like women.
 
Well hallelujah, the word has been spoken.

Threads like this come along fairly frequently here on SLR. The common denominator is a guy who has suffered low success with women, suddenly coming to the realisation that (shock, horror) losers aren't attractive. Developing confidence isn't some big secret. If you need a theory like to help you, you're not becoming succesful with women, you're just becoming less deficient than before.
 
Well hallelujah, the word has been spoken.

Threads like this come along fairly frequently here on SLR. The common denominator is a guy who has suffered low success with women, suddenly coming to the realisation that (shock, horror) losers aren't attractive. Developing confidence isn't some big secret. If you need a theory like to help you, you're not becoming succesful with women, you're just becoming less deficient than before.

Developing confidence could be as simple as hitting the gym or running. That's self confidence.
Developing confidence with and around women means that you're going to have to learn how to talk to, and act around, them.
When you can talk to them you become confident in your ability to talk to them, which makes you appear more confident, because you are more confident, which ends up with you being more attractive to that girl than you would have before.

And all you have to do is figure out how to talk to girls. The rest takes care of itself.

And yes, there is a correct and incorrect way to talk to girls. Why do you think guys are able to strike out? Because they were doing it wrong.
I'm not saying this is the ONLY way to do it. It is just the most effective way I have found. Now I am that confident character, and I'm confident because I know what the hell I am doing. And since I know what I'm doing it usually ends up with me and a girl having a good time in bed.

But again, this is all from my personal experience so maybe this has only worked on whores and I've only slept with whores, who knows.

You can figure it out by trying though, lol.

And isn't less deficient=more successful?
 
Less deficient does equal more successful, but that's not what I said. Being succesful implies being above the norm, but a theory like this only helps those with below average success, to get a more even footing with the majority of guys who don't need a rule book to get a fuck.

There is an incorrect and correct way to speak to every single girl. Is that the same for every single member of the opposite sex? Of course not, but at the same time there are traits that generally will be seen more favourably than others. I'd rather speak to a guy who can look me in the eye, has opinions of his own, and isn't scared to speak his mind. This is hardly revolutionary. My problem doesn't lie with your general idea, just the belief that a certain subset of men seem to hold, that 'woman' is an entity unto itself, that can be won if only the correct rules are followed. IMO, any guy that needs to think in this way still utterly lacks a real understanding of how people and relationships work, and still conceives as women as 'other'. As such, real depth of experience will never be achieved and the game will remain just that, a game, with all the superficiality that that involves.
 
Less deficient does equal more successful, but that's not what I said. Being succesful implies being above the norm, but a theory like this only helps those with below average success, to get a more even footing with the majority of guys who don't need a rule book to get a fuck.

There is an incorrect and correct way to speak to every single girl. Is that the same for every single member of the opposite sex? Of course not, but at the same time there are traits that generally will be seen more favourably than others. I'd rather speak to a guy who can look me in the eye, has opinions of his own, and isn't scared to speak his mind. This is hardly revolutionary. My problem doesn't lie with your general idea, just the belief that a certain subset of men seem to hold, that 'woman' is an entity unto itself, that can be won if only the correct rules are followed. IMO, any guy that needs to think in this way still utterly lacks a real understanding of how people and relationships work, and still conceives as women as 'other'. As such, real depth of experience will never be achieved and the game will remain just that, a game, with all the superficiality that that involves.

I've been in a relationship for a year now and it is fantastic.
I think I'm doing ok.

And it's not like I'm following a rule book. I got the general idea down, and now it's natural. It's a part of me. Now I don't really need that rulebook. I just need me.

And you are correct, I did have below average success. Abysmally low average success. Now I do not. I have a lot of success, actually. I, oddly enough, ended up as the person out of my two core groups of friends (in separate states) who got the most women.
Why am I even saying this to you. I doubt you care lol, this is the internet.

I'm just saying, it helped me. If it helps one guy who was in my situation get out of that situation, I am pleased. I did some good to someone somewhere. If it helps any guy regardless of his situation, I am pleased, actually.
 
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