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Beginner with E, looking for some advice.

Yosho2k

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Hey all, first post.

First of all, I'm an occasional user. I'm not looking for a habit or trying to hide my pain or any of that, I like taking them because they're fun but drugs are expensive and I am po'.

I tried E for the first time about a year ago. I thought it was pretty good but it didn't work the way I expected it to. I looked it up and it turns out the stuff I had taken was called pipes. I didn't get sick from it but my friends told me that after they felt good afterwards they felt like they wanted to die. I was kinda pissed. I tried a few more times after that, that stuff didn't work at all. After a couple of really annoying failures, I smoked some pot after taking a roll and blasted off into space. Yay.

Anyways, one of my questions is, is it possible I can only roll if I smoke weed first? The thing is, I am a really really really bad stoner. I turn into a brain dead idiot no matter how much I take. I like to go to raves and clubs and I'd like to take some E beforehand. But if I have to smoke for it to work, I will not be able to enjoy myself because I will be too retarded to know what I am doing around other people.

Another story is that I've stopped taking rolls. I was getting hit repeatedly with pipes and I switched to molly. I like molly a lot better than rolls but I'm still a little confused on the dosage. I'm around 240 (overweight) and 5'6. Could someone tell me what a good dose that I should try that will make me feel good but not make me feel overloaded?

Is there anything I can do to shorten the time I takes for molly to get to work? I've literally waited 3-4 hours for something to happen, when it does it feels like I've been hit by a train, I think because I take too much in the interim waiting for it to work and testing to see if I got scammed. Does it work faster if I don't eat or drink beforehand or stare at flickering lights with music playing or something?

Last question, I know it sounds like I've taken a lot in a year's time, but most of that was in the span of a few days with month stretches in-between. Usually I take breaks of 3-4 months between uses. Should I space it further out or am I at risk of developing tolerance or side effects to E?

I know I'm sounding a precise with my questions and a little paranoid, but these are the questions that pop up in my head every time I take E. Thanks for your help peoples!
 
I find that without weed my rolls never feel as good, but Im an everyday smoker and weed makes all drugs better for me. With 2-3 month breaks your brain has plenty of time to recover
Im pretty sure were not allowed to give dosage information, but with little to no tolerance its always good to start with one pill and work your way up when the potency is unknown.
 
is it possible I can only roll if I smoke weed first?

Not really. Even if you're an everday smoker it doesn't make pharmacological sense for you to have to smoke weed before rolling for it to affect you. A more likely explanation is that you smoking weed and the molly hitting you just happened to coincide and you've falsely attributed it to that. As a sidenote, a lot of people have found that if they lay off the bud for a couple of weeks before rolling it improves the experience, so maybe you should try that.

Could someone tell me what a good dose that I should try that will make me feel good but not make me feel overloaded?

Usually about 125-150mg of pure molly would be a good dose for somebody your size. However, you missed out how much molly you took before and everyone's body chemistry is different so it's kind of hard to tell.

Is there anything I can do to shorten the time I takes for molly to get to work?...Does it work faster if I don't eat or drink beforehand or stare at flickering lights with music playing or something?

Yes, it will work faster if you have an empty stomach. Ideally you should wait about four hours after eating before taking the molly for it to hit you in the fastest time. If you're still finding it takes 3-4 hours (which is a really long time to have to wait by the way) you can try snorting the molly and it should hit you a lot faster.

Should I space it further out or am I at risk of developing tolerance or side effects to E?

3 to 4 months should be plenty of time before rolling again. To ensure your rolls stay as good as they can be for as long as you can stretch it you shouldn't take E a few days in a row. You should use it once and then take a break to ensure your experience is the best it can be.
 
3-4 months is a great time to space out your rolls. To answer your others questions...

If you are 240 pounds I would recommend taking 200 mgs approximately to get a good roll. I usually would take 250-300 but I am experienced. Marijuana potentiates MDMA when it is ingested, but if you NEED the marijuana to feel the MDMA, then you are most likely just not getting good/clean stuff. Test your stuff and see what kind of reactions it has to see if it is relatively strong and/or clean. Also, this is the case if it takes 3-4 hours to roll... that means you are not getting good product.
 
Some great advice, thanks you guys I'm gonna copy this to my email. I have a scale coming in the mail to help me sort my doses.

Also, lets hypothetically say I have a molly crystal (a big one), whats the best way to break this guy down? Is it best to turn the molly into a powder or into chunks?
 
Some great advice, thanks you guys I'm gonna copy this to my email. I have a scale coming in the mail to help me sort my doses.

Also, lets hypothetically say I have a molly crystal (a big one), whats the best way to break this guy down? Is it best to turn the molly into a powder or into chunks?
Well to crush pills I put them in a thick plastic bag (sandwich bags dont work well) and put it on a hard surface and hit it with a hammer.
Or if you have a flip cell phone you can put it in between there and close down on it very hard, but I would do this with an old phone, as it could potentially break the screen
 
Thanks for all your help. One last question, I heard drinking alcohol can fuck up the MDMA before your body can process it. Is that true?
 
Some people say that alcohol can diminish the effects of MDMA. This is definitely true, but unless I am very drunk I don't seem to notice a difference. In general though, it isn't a good idea because of the dehydration that occurs with consumption of alcohol.
 
You should be able to enjoy MDMA without smoking weed. It's highly unlikely (almost impossible) that you don't feel the effects of MDMA unless you smoke weed. Mixing the two can be fun, but I find MDMA by itself to be more interesting than when I combine it with pot.
 
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In my experience MDMA can be very dependent on your mind set. If you overthink the roll, or worry about whether or not it's going to kick in soon, it just makes the situation worse. I don't know if that's true in ANY way scientifically, but it seems to be true with me and friends that I've seen go through it. Smoking the weed might just give you a distraction, and calm you down enough to get things going. Not to mention the fact that weed seems to enhance just about every other drug anyways haha
 
^ People say that a lot but honestly mindset only matters when you don't have very good of shit. If you have weak mdxx and put yourself in a great mindset then you may think you are rolling harder than you are. When you got good stuff it doesn't matter how you are feeling, once its on its on. Weed definitely boosts the roll, but isn't necessary.
 
It sounds to me like your experiencing an adultuated product...

Alexander Shulgin (the godfather of mdma) suggests that 160mg is more than enough for even the largest people...

Piperazines are horrible I took 2 pipe pills once (blue rolex/hallmark 5-pt.crown logo, dye rubs off) never again will I straying from my molly and eating a pill...

Get yourself some test reagents... there's links on pillreports.com to buy them and they are perfectly legal.... that and a milligram scale... you can find them for 20-40 bucks online @ a website that rhymes with glamazon.... dot com....

drugs are the control levers to our mind and soul.... finesse it the key to greatness with everything in life.... and you don't wanna break the machine cuz then it can't profide fun anymore =D
 
is it possible I can only roll if I smoke weed first?

No, that just doesn't make sense. It's probably psychological. If the MDMA is good, it will work, whether you smoke weed or not. I always prefer rolling without weed, feels more pure/less fuzzy.

Could someone tell me what a good dose that I should try that will make me feel good but not make me feel overloaded?

How much do you think you've been taking each time? I would guess around 200mg would be good.

Is there anything I can do to shorten the time I takes for molly to get to work?

Try it on an empty stomach. Wait a few hours between eating and taking it, 3-4 hours is a pretty long wait. You could try snorting it, though I warn you it's an entirely different high, and it doesn't last as long. You can also try plugging it, though I have no personal experience with that.

Should I space it further out or am I at risk of developing tolerance or side effects to E?

3-4 months is a pretty good wait period. You don't need to space it out more, but if you want to, it wouldn't hurt. If you feel your body needs more time to recover, wait longer.


From what you've told us it sounds like you've been piped too many times. My advice is to get a test kit. You can order one online from dancesafe.org Test kits are a roller's best friend, get one.
 
I have been piped too many times, as gay as that sounds. I'll probably end up getting one after I'm done with this batch of molly. I just got a scale, I didn't realize had 2g's of the stuff, I only paid for like half a gram. I think the guy who sold it needs to lay off drugs for a while.
 
Are you east coast? If you're east coast, and you buy any pressed pill you're getting piped pretty much, theres ONE good g's up press going around from wat i know but the fakes/pipes G's Up are going around far more than the legit ones...and the legit ones look way different. G's up are the most common pills on the east coast, at least IME.
Did you test ya molly?
@breaking up crystals.
take a razorblade, and very carefully just start shaving chunks off of it, you'll end up with like powder..
I've had perfectly legitimate MDMA take an hour and a half to come up, but that isn't typical in my experience.
3-4 hours is VERY concerning, at least to me. I find eating MD on an empty stomach is VERY important, and as said before, if you're taking a proper dose of proper product, mindset doesn't mean much IMO. Shulgin said 160mg is more than enough for anyone?
In europe there have been pills tested to contain 210mg, and 180mg pills aren't uncommon in holland apparently...
i wouldnt say 160 is more than enough for anybody, but 160 if you've got no tolerance/arent an etard is a good place to dose at IMO (i find that with proper diggity dank product/crystal .15 is the perfect amount for me to start)
 
^ People say that a lot but honestly mindset only matters when you don't have very good of shit. If you have weak mdxx and put yourself in a great mindset then you may think you are rolling harder than you are. When you got good stuff it doesn't matter how you are feeling, once its on its on. Weed definitely boosts the roll, but isn't necessary.

While it's true that 200 mg of MDMA will get most people fucked up regardless of mindset, when you're dealing with more moderate doses, mindset can definitely have an impact.

And sometimes I have a much better time with a right mindset + a moderate dose, than with just 200 mg + random mindset.
 
Alright yeah levi.
IME 200mg if its GOOD uncut MDMA will put you off your ASS, fucked up as in rolling fucking BALLS lol
levis right
i'd rather drop 150mg at a show than drop 200mg at home...
 
What's a good way to measure? I have a gram scale. It's hard to tell what a good measurement of molly is when I'm trying to get it halfway between 0.001 and 0.002.

I love you guys, you're so helpful.
 
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