San Pedro growing in my backyard?!

[Flickering]

So I moved into this house about five months ago, with five roommates, one of whom has a passing interest in psychadelics and another is at least tolerant of them. Anyway, at the time I moved in, I was on the hunt for my first psychadelic experience, and I went far and wide for it. All the while, outside the window next to my room is a view out to the bush, and a great big cactus sits there in the foreground.

I used to have the passing thought that the cactus might contain mescaline, but laughed it off as incredibly unlikely.

But I just saw some pictures of san pedro cacti and if this isn't the exact same thing, then it's a pretty convincing lookalike.

I'm gonna try and come back with some photos to get people's opinions on whether I should hack off a few feet and milk it for mescaline... it would be sooo awesome if it's san pedro... I've been wanting to try a phenethylamine and mescaline always sounds truly beautiful and spiritual when I read the reports.

Edit: Apologies, photos are coming, they're taking a little longer than I expected and I had to take them with my mobile phone so they're not the best quality either. Should be good enough to distinguish the species though.

 

[Verybuffed]

But I just saw some pictures of san pedro cacti and if this isn't the exact same thing, then it's a pretty convincing lookalike.

Chances are it is Cereus Peruvianus as they look very similar if you don't know the difference. Still post your pics up though as you never know.

Cereus Peruvianus - No Mescaline



Trichocereus Pachanoi - San Pedro

 

[Flickering]

Thanks for the photos.

My phone fucking sucks... it refuses to send images to my email box, just keeps saying it will resend in 15 minutes, and I don't have any other camera.

But, based on those two images above, the cactus outside is trichocereus pachanoi. It's greener than cereus and has shorter, more subtle spikes. :D Still, worth calling in someone who knows their stuff. And if these cacti are about to become illegal in Australia's ever-increasing war on nature, it might indeed be prudent to find out now.

 

[MindlessBilly]

Thanks for the photos.

My phone fucking sucks... it refuses to send images to my email box, just keeps saying it will resend in 15 minutes, and I don't have any other camera.

But, based on those two images above, the cactus outside is trichocereus pachanoi. It's greener than cereus and has shorter, more subtle spikes. :D Still, worth calling in someone who knows their stuff. And if these cacti are about to become illegal in Australia's ever-increasing war on nature, it might indeed be prudent to find out now.

San-Pedro is about to become illegal or is this just an assumption you have made?

San Pedro cacti is very easy to come by in Australia (you just have to know the right places to look) Also if you are looking for a good first psychedelic type experience & the cacti you have turns out to not be psychedelic, Hawaiian Baby Woodrose seeds may be of interest to you.

 

[Flickering]

Cheers Billy, I've never heard of those but I'm looking them up now. In the time between moving to this house and now, I've had a total of four drug experiences. 120mg DXM yielded very few effects; 300mg was very pleasant and weird, 600mg resulted in an absolute nightmare; then I tried 2g of mushrooms and had a sort of psychotic episode. I'm hoping to have better luck with 2c-b and mescaline.

I'm quite sure all plants containing mescaline and DMT are either already illegal, or about to be. There was a protest back in March about the bill. Don't know much else I'm afraid.

Edit: Oh yeah morning glory seeds, I do know of them... may try LSA, but a bit further down the track...

 

[DeathDomokun]

It's currently legal for San Pedro to be grown just cultivation/possession of cultivated San Pedro is illegal.
I was so sure they weren't stupid enough to propose banning all plants containing DMT seeing as a lot of plants contain some amount of DMT, and some natives, fuck, even grass has DMT in it.
DMT is a simple molecule, biosynthetical it's 2 trivial enzymatic steps from tryptophan. It's an amino acid that all organisms have, and all organisms have the 2 key enzymes that lead to the synthesis of DMT. These are very ancient enzymes, they're all over the place, they're part of basic metabolism. Basically anything could synthesize DMT. It also powers our dreams.
Also, I fucking love DXM. Personally I think it'd be a shame to stop it from one bad experience. You could try ordering some MXE if you want a cleaner dissociative and don't have any connections. If psychedelic's are what you're after though, you should probably stay the fuck away from dissociatives and deliriants because the hallucinations are very different P. Mushrooms/Mescaline/2c-, etc.

 

[Sameria]

^Under the governments proposed new 'plant laws' anything containing even trace amount of Mescaline, as well as DMT are deemed illegal to possess or cultivate. I the link seems to be avading me at the moment and I'm too fkn tired too look for it :S I'll see if I can find it tomorrow.

 

[MindlessBilly]

Thats interesting, thanks for the info i know last i checked san pedro was still fully legal & the government would have a hard time making DMT containing plants illegal as its found in many native acacia plants. Is anybody else able to shed any light on this?

Yeah morning glory seeds similar to HBWR seeds the difference being the amounts you have to take, morning glory is like 1000 seeds or something crazy while HBWR you only need about 10 seeds, also i have found morning glory seeds difficult to obtain (i think they may be illegal)

Id recommend treading lightly if mushrooms produced a psychotic type episode as other psychedelics may produce the same sort of outcome, just start with a small dose and work your way up. Personally i find mescaline to be quite easy going & friendly compared to things like LSD & mushrooms, then again im horrible at cooking mescaline up!

Anyways ill stop dragging your thread off topic

 

[OPP]

^^^ Thats absolutely ridiculous.

What a stupid and impossible law. Does the government plan on uprooting every plant in everyones backyard that contains traces of DMT??

 

[MindlessBilly]

Holy shit that makes me angry! Heres a link http://www.gardenfreedom.com/ apparently the ban will include everything from angels trumpets to common cacti even plants with tiny amounts of illegal chemicals.

 

[Divine Moments]

Yeah it is more than moderately retarded. There was a thread around a little while back about it

 

[Flickering]

Anyways ill stop dragging your thread off topic

Actually be my guest, because I never did get to upload those images. My phone keeps telling me something about pocket data and basically it can't connect to the internet. But, I've told a friend about it and he knows a guy who can cook and identify san pedro, so I'm very excited, I'm gonna hack a branch off and take it to his place.

the Acacia genus has a shitload of DXM in the bark

I think you mean DMT though it would be very interesting if DXM somehow got in all those ancient plants.

Also, I fucking love DXM. Personally I think it'd be a shame to stop it from one bad experience.

The second plateau trip was really nice, one of the most relaxing, pleasant and uplifting nights of my life, in fact. But the inebriation was strong and I felt overly stupified. I'd do it again, but I just don't feel I have much more to gain from it. As for the third plateau (or whatever the hell happened when I took 600mg), I just have a strong feeling that anything in that dose range or above will do more or less the same thing it did to me that horrible evil night. I didn't get hallucinations, I just got really confused and experienced dissociation so strong it was as if I didn't exist, along with thought loops, ego scrambling and episodic discontinuity of memory. It sucked. In the end I decided, DXM is most likely not going to help what I'm trying to achieve with hallucinogens, and I'll probably have better luck with the psychadelics family. I may try ketamine or salvia, but that won't be for a while. I do appreciate your advice though, and MXE is also something I've considered - appealing for its short duration but not for its experimental, possibly dangerous, status.

Id recommend treading lightly if mushrooms produced a psychotic type episode as other psychedelics may produce the same sort of outcome, just start with a small dose and work your way up.

Yeah, that's my plan. Another friend is bringing me some 2c-b in a few weeks and I'm going to trip out with him and my roommate; they'll be on shrooms, I'll be doing just 8mg to 12mg, see how I feel when it comes. If he can't find 2c-b then it'll be shrooms again, but only a gram this time. Mescaline is pretty safe as far as psychotic breaks go, and when I cook up this batch, I'll be taking maybe 125mg to start with, only enough for subtle effects, and work my way up about 75mg at a time.

While the mushroom trip was good, for about the first hour and a half, it pounded the shit out of DXM as far as awesomeness and insight goes. It's a real, real shame it couldn't have stayed that way. As I recovered in the following two weeks, I felt very much cheated of what should have been a positive life-changing experience. Cheated by my own stupid brain!

Holy shit that makes me angry! Heres a link http://www.gardenfreedom.com/ apparently the ban will include everything from angels trumpets to common cacti even plants with tiny amounts of illegal chemicals.

It's major bullshit. : ( To me, it just reinforces that western governments are ignorant, oppressive and ridiculous, and living under them is simply a game and a challenge where to disobey the system is by no means immoral; often, it's the contrary. I find the underground alluring and exciting in that sense. Must have been a hippy in a past life.

 

[Mr Blonde]

Regarding the HBWR seeds, be careful with those too: they can have some nasty side effects including nausea and vasoconstriction.

 

[poledriver]

I'm quite sure all plants containing mescaline and DMT are either already illegal, or about to be. There was a protest back in March about the bill. Don't know much else I'm afraid.

HERE

3/4's of the way down the list.

In what it claims is an effort to stamp out plants and flowers that can be used as drugs, Australian authorities have proposed insane legislation that will outlaw hundreds, if not thousands, of common plant species, including the golden wattle, its national flower. If the law passes, nurseries, commercial growers, farmers, cactus collectors, and even backyard gardeners will become criminals overnight -- even though many of the plants being targeted are not even used as drugs.

Currently, only five plants are banned from cultivation in Australia because of their alleged inherent drug components. But the new legislation will ban from cultivation any plant that contains dimethyltryptamine (DMT), a naturally-occurring hallucinogen, which according to the Australian Attorney General includes many common and native plants, from various cacti and fodder grasses, to simple backyard ornamental plants.

The entire list of plants slated for elimination can be viewed here:
http://www.ag.gov.au/www/agd/rwpatt...

While DMT does have hallucinogenic properties, the component is found in literally thousands of plant species that are native to the Australian landscape. Farmers use many of the grasses and legumes on the list to feed their animals, for instance. Countless gardeners, landscapers, and plant collectors cultivate many of the plants on the list as well. And numerous seed banks that collect and save plant species will have to dump their seed stocks, should the legislation be passed.

The proposal is an irresponsible, ill-derived threat to Australian freedom, and it needs to be stopped. The Australian Minister for Justice, the Hon Brendan O'Connor MP, is accepting public comments on the issue up until March 11, 2011. Those concerned are urged to send email opposition to:
[email protected].

Taken from here


And this is our thread here regarding that story about the proposal to ban many familiar backyard plants and trees -

BL Thread

 

[Busty St Clare]

The police won't go out and bust every ma and pa gardener with a banned plant in the garden. Around my neighbourhood there would be thousands alone. The law is proposed to take away the need for police to prove that it is for drug cultivation. At present they can't bust you for a large commercial style set up until you have pstarted processing the plant matter. It is still scary to think they have the power to arrest and charge you all the same. Reality is they will only use the laws if they can't bust you with conventional means.

 

[Flickering]

True, but it is still scary and oppressive. It's a gradual reduction in personal freedom, once again playing off the fears of the public and appeals for safety and a drug-free society - oh, except alcohol of course! But theoretically, couldn't they legally 'bust' any ma and pa gardner if they're, say, a political opponent or dissident? That's what makes me uncomfortable - giving the government more and more executive power.

As for how this affects drug dealers / users, all it does is make things slightly more annoying and inconvenient. We already do illegal drugs; telling us we can't grow ornamental cacti in our backyards ain't gonna stop that.

 

[bobbydarren]

In Qld, any living plant that contains an illegal or scheduled drug IS the illegal or scheduled drug.

So mesculine containing cactus's are illegal as well as Khat, HBW, morning glory, opium poppies, DMT containing plants etc. Not that your average person would need to worry about such a charge but to think from a paranoid angle. If drugs police had reason to search your property for illicit substances & didn't come up with a charge then they'd possibly do you for your plants. That is assuming your average drug cop is trained in identifying such plants.

 

[MindlessBilly]

Regarding the HBWR seeds, be careful with those too: they can have some nasty side effects including nausea and vasoconstriction.

I have found doing a cold water extraction as opposed to just eating the seeds raw will take away the intensity of the nausea and vasoconstriction

 

[Flickering]

A little update on this topic. I went into a legal high shop today and what did they have stocked right at the front door: cacti just like the one outside my window. "San pedro," said the saleslady, when I asked. "For gardening purposes, of course."

"Yes," I said. "I am also interested in gardening." *inconspicuous look left and right*

I bough some calea, a lucid dreaming herb reputed to actually work, and walked out of the store with a big smile on my face.

 

[DeathDomokun]

As I've edited into my first post DMT is a simple molecule, biosynthetically it's 2 trivial enzymatic steps from tryptophan. Tryptophan is an amino acid that all living organisms have, and not on that but all living organisms have the 2 key enzymes that lead to the synthesis of DMT. These are very ancient enzymes, they're all over the place, they're part of basic metabolism. Basically anything could synthesize DMT. Where are they going to draw the line for this? Is there a percentage of DMT per gram in these plants to qualify making them illegal? This is a fucking ridiculous proposition irrespective.