Do you think human intuition is real?

[Wolfmans_BrothEr]

nothing from that definition connotes predictions of future events.

regarding things that seem to occur momentarily after the thought of them, then it is synchronicity.

if you are predicting things further on, foresight or clairvoyance may apply.

I never said anything about predicting the future I said I would sometimes think about something and someone would end up mentioning it or I would watch it on tv...except it's something completely odd (like recording a pool shot in reverse)

Clairvoyance can't apply because that implies the object or event is giving off some sort of perception, for instance meeting someone and sensing something about their personality or tactics..it leans more towards perception when what I'm talking about is someone having something like a sixth sense about what they should do at a certain time

Honestly I'm having a really hard time explaining it..I'm nit the only one to know what I'm talking about and if you can't perceive it then I guess it's never happened to you..I don't know what else to say

I mean...you've never heard someone use the word intuition?

 

[L2R]

^i know what you are talking about, it's just the term "intuition" doesn't mean it. i was simply agreeing with ebola that the subject of the thread was confusing.

i think your defintions of clairvoyance and intuition are switched.

I was thinking about situations where there are no obvious subconscious observations to be made when ones 5 senses are out of range of the thing/event intuited.

Ok, i was referring to picking up information from the senses and drawing hunches and ideas subconsciously.

Instinct is a fascinating subject in itself & is possibly connected to the intuition of the "supernatural type" for want of a better description.

Fascinating, yes. Supernatural.... maybe. Fascinating irrespective of any mystical substance.

The trouble with intuited knowledge is that no one will ever believe you - they will find logical explanations failing to satisfy themselves with that they'll conclude you were mistaken have gone a bit mad or something. Basically if it's not empirically provable they'll claim it doesn't exist. Such an attitude is ridiculous as history is littered with truths which have been debunked by science. Science isn't a religion, just because it is not written by Hawking/Dawkins does not make it necessarily rubbish.

Agreed. However i have no idea how it could be any other way. If attitudes weren't as critical of the subjective, we'd be inundated with rubbish. The signal to noise ratio would most certainly decrease as all manners of untruths (actual madnesses, lies, etc) are paid attention to.

militant anythingism is counterproductive.

 

[B9]

If attitudes weren't as critical of the subjective, we'd be inundated with rubbish.

True - I don't think anyone has actually made any claims for experiencing intuition in this thread anyway. No doubt largely based on the fact that it would be at best considered questionable OR all the posters are extraordinarily insensitive to the whisperings of the inner voices. :D

Does anyone care to describe how intuited knowledge is conveyed to them - perhaps a voice in the mind or maybe an instant knowing of something ?

 

[Wolfmans_BrothEr]

^^it's been said before...for the people who have experienced it everyone says it's similar to an overwhelming feeling in your gut...its hard to describe to someone who's never felt it before

Again just to clarify..the gut feelings or ideas I sometimes get isn't like my body's telling me exactly whats going to happen, it's more like we roll up to a spot to buy some weed and I get an overwhelming feeling that something bad is about to happen, and then something like the cops will roll up or we'll get robbed or something. Its not paranoia and I know its not a coincidence b.c it's such a strong sense of.....something, and whenever I get that feeling the outcome I was expecting isn't too far behind...every time without fail

Like I'll literally be thinking about the most random thing, what sparked this was yesterday was I was thinking about how a break in pool would look in reverse, and like 20 minutes later the show I was watching did exactly that

Or I remember another time I was on acid and needed a cigarette so bad to the point that I was literally visualizing finding a pack on the ground with one cigarette left in it, and I could like feel it in my hand...then after 5 minutes of walking I spotted s pack on the ground picked it up and sure enough there was 1 cigarette left...I couldn't explain it

Firstly, I just wanted to state to the OP that this an absolutely lovely thread idea. Secondly, this exact 'question' is something that I honestly have formed quite a bit of an obsession with after inexplicable life occurrences. I was honestly always the type of gal who questioned literally everything—still am a skeptic overall. The one thing that has changed tremendously has been my theory on human intuition. I always had this absolutely bizarre notion as a very, very young child that a particularly odd event would eventually one day make an appearance in my life. I don't feel the need to disclose this event, but I assure you, 'odd' is the understatement of the century. Anyway, to make a long story short, I remember getting this absolutely inconceivable gut instinct that I was going to come face to face with this situation. It made me feel so peculiar that I absolutely could not even fathom discussing how I felt. I knew that there was no possible way to put into non-judgement ready words how distinct this feeling was. Lo and behold, at age 20, I was face to face with not only one, but two incomprehensibly absurd distinct gut feelings I had since I was approximately five years old. I will assure you, these are EXTREMELY fucking bizarre gut feelings to have as a child.

Thirdly, the moment this feeling 'hit' was so otherworldly I cannot even begin to attempt to describe this feeling. It was as though everything I had felt (and surpressed) as a child was actually a spot-on prediction for what would eventually become the most pivotal point in my entire life. Every single inch of my core being completely froze. I could not speak. There are absolutely no words for what I felt that moment the realization hit me, but it changed my life for the better in every way, shape, and form. I had always asked for some sort of spiritual or religious awakening, and there is no doubt in my mind that intuitive notion I had been waiting and needing my entire life was it.

i've no doubts that intuition is very real.
the most intense example of intuition that i've experienced happened more than 20 years ago tonight.
i had a very disturbing dream and knew w/out a doubt my husband was going to die that day if he went to work. i begged him not to go but he laughed about my kooky dreams and went on to
work.

at 8:30 a.m while he was getting a drink of water, a concrete beam fell about 50 feet from a crane, hit him in the head, and killed him instantly.
i have never been free of the guilt that i could have stopped it if i'd been able to fully explain to him the urgency and intensity of the dream.
one hell of a way to learn the validity of intuition.
-izzy

 

[Monkeybizness]

^ you for got mines
intuition is NOT a prediction NO ONE CAN FULLY PREDICT THE FUTURE and how it will turn out ,intuition imo is an animalistic instinct that senses danger ..a bad feeling discomfort .. to not believe in intuition is like not following common sense. i dont know how closed minded you have to be to not understand that you can sense danger for no apparent reason its a warning telling you to run! stop! go ! you dont have to experience this everyday or all the time but it can happen just once in your life time . you get a sense that something bad is going to happen.

whats so bad about following a sense or a feeling you are having , something telling you to not do something HOW CAN YOU IGNORE THAT deny it at most.

when that sense of bad feeling (intuition) comes along you can feel really nervous for no apparent reason , stomach gets tense , you get chills , nausea , and few time visuals or mental pictures .. this doesnt happen every day for most ppl but it does happen , its not a prediction its a way of survival .

 

[Nagelfar]

Intuition, as a word, is whatever we can grammatically ascribe to it that has real meaning in regard to what is actually real about it.

So therefore if an idea was used for it that were false, an alternate meaning that would be correct would become it's meaning if the other could be disproved and the application of the term in that sense would fall into disuse to those have realized the falsity of that tense of the word.

To me, intuition is the idea that "the whole of ones deepest knowledge (generally) is identical with ones deepest convictions upon a thing or on a subject (specifically)". Meaning you have a 'sense' or a 'feeling' about a particular somebody or something in one instance, that is drawn from the totality of your experience (up to now, in the eternal present), though that entirety of experience may not or cannot be an immediate apparent consciousness of your own for it is too broad. Appreciation of art is under the same category of feeling or sense: but is aesthetic rather than utilitarian; an artistic intuition. Meaning it is purely reciprocal to mood and doesn't have a nudging purpose of unilateral action toward any goal for the self.

 

[L2R]

^do you think bananas is real?

 

[Nagelfar]

If you're not posing that as a plural I am unsure as to your meaning.

 

[LoopCat]

I think as someone else said that the gut feelings come from information gained from real life or instinct stored in your brain sort of in your sub conscious.

 

[L2R]

If you're not posing that as a plural I am unsure as to your meaning.

semantics can be fun

 

[Nagelfar]

^Oh but of course.

 

[B9]

^ you for got mines
intuition is NOT a prediction NO ONE CAN FULLY PREDICT THE FUTURE and how it will turn out ,intuition imo is an animalistic instinct that senses danger ..a bad feeling discomfort .. to not believe in intuition is like not following common sense. i dont know how closed minded you have to be to not understand that you can sense danger for no apparent reason its a warning telling you to run! stop! go ! you dont have to experience this everyday or all the time but it can happen just once in your life time . you get a sense that something bad is going to happen.

whats so bad about following a sense or a feeling you are having , something telling you to not do something HOW CAN YOU IGNORE THAT deny it at most.

when that sense of bad feeling (intuition) comes along you can feel really nervous for no apparent reason , stomach gets tense , you get chills , nausea , and few time visuals or mental pictures .. this doesnt happen every day for most ppl but it does happen , its not a prediction its a way of survival .

Sounds very similar to emotional disturbance caused by psychedelics Which could make some kind of sense if your overt senses ( for want of a better description - your 5 a day maybe :D ) are in conflict with your subconscious.


Does anyone subscribe to the idea that intuition does not necessarily have to be related to dangerous situations ?

 

[CoffeeDrinker]

^Absolutely.
The 6th sense, or possibly the 7th sense. Is definitely real.
Nihilism is an infectious disease that plays tricks on the mind that come in the form of logic. I guess that's why our existence is so interesting: The battle between irrationality and rationality. Both sides have such good points, but they're really just two sides of the same coin of humanity.

 

[HeWhoHowls]

^Absolutely.
The 6th sense, or possibly the 7th sense. Is definitely real.
Nihilism is an infectious disease that plays tricks on the mind that come in the form of logic. I guess that's why our existence is so interesting: The battle between irrationality and rationality. Both sides have such good points, but they're really just two sides of the same coin of humanity.

couldnt agree more.
duality is one of the main archetypes of existence i believe.

 

[Wolfmans_BrothEr]

Intuition, as a word, is whatever we can grammatically ascribe to it that has real meaning in regard to what is actually real about it.

So therefore if an idea was used for it that were false, an alternate meaning that would be correct would become it's meaning if the other could be disproved and the application of the term in that sense would fall into disuse to those have realized the falsity of that tense of the word.

To me, intuition is the idea that "the whole of ones deepest knowledge (generally) is identical with ones deepest convictions upon a thing or on a subject (specifically)". Meaning you have a 'sense' or a 'feeling' about a particular somebody or something in one instance, that is drawn from the totality of your experience (up to now, in the eternal present), though that entirety of experience may not or cannot be an immediate apparent consciousness of your own for it is too broad. Appreciation of art is under the same category of feeling or sense: but is aesthetic rather than utilitarian; an artistic intuition. Meaning it is purely reciprocal to mood and doesn't have a nudging purpose of unilateral action toward any goal for the self.

Th first two paragraphs make no sense to me...

As for the rest how does that explain going to the same park every day to smoke a blunt...and that one time just having the gut wrenching feeling that I needed to get out of there...and it just so happens the cops show up

It's not like some event where you think you know what the outcome will be...it's an inner sense that can't be justified any other way. If it could I wouldn't he starting this thread I've thought about this a lot

 

[Nagelfar]

That's premonition, not intuition. As for the first two paragraphs; for example, if the word 'intuition' has two dictionary definitions, and one meaning ascribes to it potentially supernatural powers, but for instance, the exact nature you give to those powers hasn't (for the sake of argument) a basis that is defensible, the a posteriori meaning that I defined would have to be the proper meaning given over to the word 'intuition'. For otherwise the 'intuitive' side of such "premonition" (if insisting on calling it an 'intuition' because it is vague, rather than vivid; as a premonition) could be argued under any circumstance to be coincidence; or a psychological confirmation bias.

So to believe "human intuition is real" is simply a matter of semantic rearrangement; it is a potential category of mundane faculties as per its definition, with nothing fantastic about it intrinsically (though extrinsically can be so grouped, like with premonition); but is ultimately an explanation of many disparate types of phenomena which needn't require 'belief', rather simply a terminology clustering of events in which "belief in" stands apart from.

"Thinking that you might know what the outcome will be" is conscious, and intuition is unconscious; therefore subconscious observational cues are what give you the 'feeling' to get out of a place; and their confirmation at the arrival of the police is just the astuteness of the totality of your experience with which you cannot ascribe a definite conscious reasoning to, as per your intuitive feeling. It's justification is found in its antecedent post fact, and cannot be discovered before hand as by & for the very fact it is only apparent as an antecedent quality; if it were apparent it would be reason and not intuition by definition. You wanting to discover the source of intuition would make it not intuition any longer, but reason. Such pursuit is grasping for shadows.

 

[Belisarius]

Yes.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I can say for a fact that I rarely regret a powerful hunch I obey, while the times I've ignored them have frequently been to my misfortune.

For instance: In my college days, I was once invited to a party out of the blue by a classmate I didn't know from Adam. Though I would've had difficulty going to this particular party anyway, I got a very strong feeling that this guy and the crew he ran with were bad news, and that something terrible would happen if I went. This guy looked about as vanilla as they come, but that feeling was unmistakable. I turned it down politely, and that was that. You'd think it wouldn't matter, but it's worth noting that this guy didn't so much as acknowledge my presence for the rest of the semester.

Another time, I woke up on NYE with a painful crick in my neck, of the kind I fortunately get only once a year or so. I'd been invited to a party that evening, but some niggling feeling told me that I should've taken the hint and stayed in bed with Dick Clark. But no, I was going to have fun and get bombed in public, and so I fought through it and went out. The result was the worst NYE of my life, where I was almost pummeled by a FOAF's drunken ex-convict boyfriend, and later made a fool of myself at a house party, to be rewarded by a blue-ribbon hangover the next day that kept me horizontal from sunup to sundown.

Sure, maybe it was pure coincidence, and I think "intuition" is overused (even by me), but I still think that--for me, anyway--it is valid.

 

[L2R]

WB, i also have experienced the phenomenon you refer to as "human intuition", although i certainly would not include any "feeling of something bad about to happen while doing an illegal activity" as an example.

see this thread for an example of one which is far too unlikely to be written off as coincidence
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=527891

my last post was serious, i remember being quite dumbfounded.

 

[B9]

^Doesn't count it's not connected with death & bad things - try harder next time !

 

[Wolfmans_BrothEr]

^^it doesn't need to be connected to death and bad things...r u being sarcastic?