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Question for people with some/alot of tripping experience

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I am curious as to what is the difference tripping on shrooms vs. acid vs. tripping on rolls vs. research chemicals? I want to know about the difference concerning the metal states, as well as the physical feeling and visuals.

The only time I ever tripped was on bad rolls. I didn't have visuals either time, both times felt like i could barely handle it, but i was able to calm myself down somehow. It was a bit peaceful, but creepy and odd most of the time. Both times I was not prepared to trip, thinking I was gonna roll instead, and ended up tripping for about 16 hours, not being able to sleep till noon. Idk if this means tripping is not for me, or maybe I just got dirty stuff. I really don't like the physical feeling (feeling that the skin is mushy, and that you're sorta not all there in your body), but visuals sound really cool, and i really liked the effect that everything was elongated and looked like a cartoon. There's a certain discomfort but peace in it at the same time. Is this was true tripping is really like, or is this just the effect of bad rolls? I would like to know.
 
The term "Rolls" can be so many different drugs. I can never tell unless I'm sitting in the shoes of the person who ingested it.



All I can say is that the leading psychedelics are the most popular for a VERY good reason.

Shrooms are a near spiritual experience. Depending on your environment you can have a different outlook of the trip. Going through a forest at night by myself on shrooms was the greatest tripping experience of my life. If I looked at the sky I would burst out laughing(Euphoric as fuck) for minutes at how beautiful it was. When I looked around me at the black trees I saw patterns and friendly, forest, giant monsters.

Research chemicals like JWH got me more fucked up than I'd ever been previously. I recall taking in pure powder and having an evil clown laugh in my ear for 2 hours while feeling imaginary vomit flowing out of my mouth with the sound of a slowly beating drums all around me. The clown would every so often stop laughing and say "You're gonna die! hahah!" But I knew I was fine. Still not a good experience.

That all probably should have gone in trip reports. Oh well.
 
Your question is extremely broad. The best you could do for yourself is research different effects on erowid.org due to how subjective everything is. Although I'm sure there will be a few hippies in here who will accurately describes their experience differences between substances. Sorry I can't find the words to start from scratch at the moment :p

oh and 16 hours on some bad rolls is absurd, who knows what it might of been.
 
Renz Envy said:
The term "Rolls" can be so many different drugs. I can never tell unless I'm sitting in the shoes of the person who ingested it.



All I can say is that the leading psychedelics are the most popular for a VERY good reason.

Shrooms are a near spiritual experience. Depending on your environment you can have a different outlook of the trip. Going through a forest at night by myself on shrooms was the greatest tripping experience of my life. If I looked at the sky I would burst out laughing(Euphoric as fuck) for minutes at how beautiful it was. When I looked around me at the black trees I saw patterns and friendly, forest, giant monsters.

Research chemicals like JWH got me more fucked up than I'd ever been previously. I recall taking in pure powder and having an evil clown laugh in my ear for 2 hours while feeling imaginary vomit flowing out of my mouth with the sound of a slowly beating drums all around me. The clown would every so often stop laughing and say "You're gonna die! hahah!" But I knew I was fine. Still not a good experience.

That all probably should have gone in trip reports. Oh well.
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What interesting trips! The first sounds fantastic. Personally, I think tripping in the dark would be really creepy, especially if you're alone. But that's just me. I'm not one of those people that likes getting 'fucked up' or just, 'high on something', i like to have a fun, mind-opening experience. More of the peaceful, happy things, anything that's like good rolling basically.

So I'm curious.. I can obviously tell you prefer shrooms to research chemicals but what is your opinion on LSD?
 
I find:
Mushrooms - very about yourself and your outlook, one with nature as such, can be reflected with the visuals which look extremely natural, dream like as opposed to artificial.
LSD - More so about what is around you and beyond, I could see LSD being more so for religious experiences, etc. Visuals are artificial and alien, you can tell you are tripping. Closed eye visuals are fantastic for introspective thoughts and very influencing.
2Cs - Very flat visually, quick repetitive visuals with not much uniqueness despite being strong (many people then believe it to be intense). Headspace isn't that present on the majority, -p has a nice headspace, but with the likes of -e I find the amphetamine side of things makes it all a bit more recreational.
MDMA - Euphoric, completely different drug, visuals are more delirious (seeing things that aren't there) as opposed to psychedelic standard visuals of melting. You'll see people you recognize, people with piercings/glasses etc, that don't exist. Only really experienced on high doses with lots going on at once.
Ketamine - Throws you into a world of thought, very spontaneous drug tends to decide things as opposed to you - especially with the k-hole. Visuals are very interesting, distances/perception becomes altered so something may seem much larger/smaller/wider than it really is, misinterpretations, etc.
 
^ Of course, YMMV. 2c-e has given me and many others some of the most profound visuals and headspace of any drug. The tumultuous chaos of a powerful 2c-e trip - the intense visuals, the auditory distortion producing alien like noises out of car engines, the emotionally imminent nature of 2c-e (if you have any issues on your mind, you will not be able to avoid them!) is not by any means easy or particularly recreational, but wholly enlightening.
 
I don't know, I found 2C-E fairly lacking. About 2 minutes after railing a 10mg dose I was informed that I'd lost a fair amount of money. I'm sure on acid/mushrooms this would have made a much larger negative impact on my trip than it did on 2C-E.
 
You're not really doing 2c-e justice if you don't take it orally at least once. then you can dismiss it forever, but at least give it a go ;)
 
I can understand what you mean, as I've taken other 2Cs orally. I just find them a little too bland, I think they are interesting chemicals and everyone should pick a few of them and try them at least once if they enjoy psychedelics. But otherwise, if there is a steady availability of acid or mushrooms I wouldn't consider using 2Cs.

I think the only time I'll be using any of my 2Cs in storage again will be when there is an acid drought.
 
well there are many different types of "research chemicals," some are tryptamines like 4-AcO-DMT & 4-HO-MET that are very similar to the active constituents in shooms, others are simple tryptamines like DPT that are similar to DMT, and still others are 5-substituted-tryptamines like 5-MeO-MiPT or 5-MeO-DiPT that are substantially different from the active constituents of shrooms.

The 2c-x's & DOx's are phenethylamines chemically somewhat similar to mescaline but have a fairly wide range of effects, though they're all still in the conventional psychedelic category.

Rolls are generally supposed to contain MDMA or MDA, however they often end up containing all sorts of stimulants & some other drugs. MDMA, MDA, and many other drugs are generally called empathogens & entactogens and they are quite different from psychedelics. There certainly are some similarities, but obviously different subjectively. There are plenty of empathogen/entactogen research chemicals as well, including cathinones like 4-MMC & Methylone the unsaturated benzofurans like 5 & 6-APB, and aminoindanes like MDAI et al.

There are also dissociative anasthetics like ketamine & pcp. There are plenty of other chemicals in this class as well, like methoxetamine, 3-MeO-PCE, 3-MeO-PCP, 4-MeO-PCP etc. Again these do share some qualities with psychedelics, but are quite subjectively & chemically distinct.

My best advice would be to do some basic research on these different things here in our big & dandy threads on specific substances, erowid, & wikipedia. There are links to our index & erowid in my signature. Hope that helps!
 
SpecialK_ said:
I can understand what you mean, as I've taken other 2Cs orally. I just find them a little too bland, I think they are interesting chemicals and everyone should pick a few of them and try them at least once if they enjoy psychedelics. But otherwise, if there is a steady availability of acid or mushrooms I wouldn't consider using 2Cs.

I think the only time I'll be using any of my 2Cs in storage again will be when there is an acid drought.
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What I would suggest is actually using it when there is not an acid drougt- that is, combining them. This combo has been known to produce extremely visual and intense psychedelic states (personally experienced) that definitely outclass each substance alone. Just some food for thought :)
 
Mushrooms>LSD>RCs>MDMA

Mushrooms are more like tripping in. Introspective, emotional, and spiritual. Also, the most visual (except perhaps for some of the more visual RCs).

LSD is more like tripping out. The world around you is what is interesting. Body load and visuals aren't as heavy as mushrooms, IMO. Seeing and doing things is fun. It is less of a mind fuck, and more of a party drug.

There is a huge range of RCs out there, some more tested and safe than others. None of them have the history of use of the natural psychedelics, or even LSD or MDMA. There are, however, some interesting chemicals worth trying. I only have experience with the 2c-x series. 2c-i was taken as part of a psychedelic Christmas cocktail, and I can't speak to the effects alone. I got the impression that it is fairly visual, however. 2c-e is interesting, but dosage should be measured carefully if possible. I've heard that the dosage range is fairly narrow. It isn't really worth taking below 10mg, and above 25mg it tends to get very intense. When I tried it it was eyeballed at about 15-20mg and was satisfying, with mild mind fuck and strong visuals.

To me, the buzz from MDMA is indistinguishable from being moderately drunk and very stoned (known round here as 'cross-faded', or 'the 40 and blunt effect'), and I find the process of getting drunk and stoned much more enjoyable than the come up on MDMA. The crash sucks too. Its a stupid fucking drug, IMO, and not worth the attention it gets.

Also, this topic comes up very frequently. Next time UTFSE and bump a thread if you have something to add.
 
artic said:
To me, the buzz from MDMA is indistinguishable from being moderately drunk and very stoned (known round here as 'cross-faded', or 'the 40 and blunt effect'), and I find the process of getting drunk and stoned much more enjoyable than the come up on MDMA. The crash sucks too. Its a stupid fucking drug, IMO, and not worth the attention it gets.

Also, this topic comes up very frequently. Next time UTFSE and bump a thread if you have something to add.
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I don't think this was too unreasonable a question, if it was you wouldn't have answered it ;) it was worded in a respectful way, at least... not some dumb raver kid trying to get his next high asking vague questions.

and thank God 99% of people don't feel MDMA the same way you do. Otherwise it would be a truly shitty drug ;)
 
Okay reading all the reviews I've come to the conclusion that mushrooms are more peaceful than LSD, while research chemicals can kinda have the best/worst of both worlds.

Which of the psychedelics would you say is closest to the very happy, peaceful, floaty feeling of MDMA? I'm looking for something more peaceful in mind and body, yet that has STRONG visuals. Mostly looking to trip for the visuals here. So far sounds like shrooms is the answer.
 
I would not suggest mushrooms for that purpose, especially if you are not experienced with them. It is true that you can achieve a sense of "inner peace" with mushrooms, and it is also true that you can achieve very strong visuals - but achieving both at the same time can be very difficult. Mushrooms, at the kind of doses that produce extremely visual states, are very often anxiogenic (anxiety-producing) in many people. I can personally confirm this, although I do not find much anxiety in mushrooms after having become much accustomed to their affects, doses like an eighth oz, which are not extraordinarily visual, caused my great mental anguish at times, let alone the anxiety that would be produced at doses like 5g, which are where things start to become typically interesting visually. You could start low, with a sixteenth an ounce for instance, or even an eighth if you're relatively comfortable with your own psyche, but you might be bored by the visuals.

If you want something that is mostly tailored to the visuals, why not try an RC that is specifically tailored to that purpose? Some phenethylamines are very visual with very light effects mentally and physically - DOC comes to mind, although this is not a sure-fire avenue because for some it produces an intense bodyload - for me and many others, though, it produces very visual states with relatively benign physical effects. 2c-i can also get quite visual, very "floaty/giggly" with relatively little physical discomfort, but the experience might seem a bit shallow. It certainly does having something to show for visual eye candy, and it is a very forgiving chemical, for the most part.

2c-e will, in most individuals, predictably provide extremely intense visuals, the kind that are exactly what you're looking for - but it is decidedly neutral emotionally, and the physical discomfort can be extreme depending on your individual physical reaction.

Finally, LSD has always given me (and many others) a definite euphoria that is in some respects comparable to MDMA, but less artificial - but I don't find it particularly visual. That is not to say it doesn't have visual potential, but at the kind of doses you would probably be taking, given the visuals you seem to be looking for, I doubt you would get them from LSD. But, it might be worth a shot since if you take a reasonable dose it is not particularly easy to have a bad experience, given that you take precautions.

Hope any of this helps! Good luck on your questing and I hope you find exactly the substance that suits you, there are so many out there :)
 
for a happy, peaceful, floaty body feeling of MDMA, i'd suggest one of the 2C-family of mescaline analogs. 2C-E i could do in low (2-4mg) dose and perform well in literature discussion class. 2C-I I enjoyed 22mg while camping with my friend in the mountains. He found it more spiritual, but for me it was pure visual WHOA-ness. 2C-T-7 20mg, i basically raped myself in the bathtub for a couple hours because it just felt too damn good.

Just remember that the 2C-family is in general quite potent (compare 120mg MDMA dose with 20mg 2C-I dose) and they are not toys. They can be every bit as powerfully spiritual (and thus possibly dark and destructive, depending on what you have hiding beneath your surface) as a shamanistic dose of shrooms or mescaline itself.
 
Depends on what you seek from the trip.
Do you seek introspective realisation? Do you have a problem you feel you need guidance with? Mushrooms are possibly your best bet.

Do you require clarification with your direction in life? Mescaline could be right up your alley.

Do you want to "gt fkd up duuuude lol seein krzy shit yo"? Acid may be your better choice.

That's not to say that any or none of these goals can apply to others, ie. LSD can be very powerful and an extremely useful, beneficial tool. I just personally find it more recreational and forgiving, to the point where you won't be taken by the reigns and forced to learn a hard lesson like say a shamanic Mushroom trip can do.

One thing though is out of the hundreds of trips I have had, I have never, ever had what I could possibly consider a "bad trip".
Never.
My personal favourite are Psilocybe Mexicana/any shroom variant.
 
artic said:
To me, the buzz from MDMA is indistinguishable from being moderately drunk and very stoned (known round here as 'cross-faded', or 'the 40 and blunt effect'), and I find the process of getting drunk and stoned much more enjoyable than the come up on MDMA. The crash sucks too. Its a stupid fucking drug, IMO, and not worth the attention it gets.

Also, this topic comes up very frequently. Next time UTFSE and bump a thread if you have something to add.
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You had a great post up until here and now I can't take you seriously. Have you ever tried MDMA? This makes me question whether you have, it's completely different to being stoned or drunk, not like either whatsoever.
The crash isn't bad at all for most people, many stimulants have a much worse comedown than MDMA. I wouldn't even call it a comedown with MDMA unless I was dosing high repeatedly. 8)

Just remember that setting, just like with psychedelics, is important with MDMA.
 
no need to discredit him just because he doesn't get the same effects that you do. recall that shulgin himself didn't get any magic from MDMA :)
 
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