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SteamRollerX

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1) After the first night, but before the second night, what should I avoid taking when I preload? Here are the supplements I have:
- Piracetam
- 5-HTP
- Vitamin C
- Soy Lecithin
- Magnesium
- Milk Thistle
- Melatonin

2) On the first night, how long should I wait between taking an attack-dose of Piracetam and when I drop the first pill? I heard you should take the Piracetam an hour before, but also heard you should take it several hours before.
 
1) Pre-dose

Vitamin C
Magnesium
Milk Thistle



Post dose:
5-HTP
Piracetam (I think you're going to have to figure out the answer to your second question on your own. What kind of metabolism do you have. How much do you plan to eat before you dose ect.)

Why is melatonin on your list? I certainly hope you don't plan on relying on a substance to fall asleep :/
 
Let's just say that I've done my research on this subject...

You do NOT want to roll two days in a row.
Assuming you aren't a troll, how do I even begin to convince you?

I have tried this on three occasions.
The first two were a clear warning - it is NOT worth it.
The second day resulted in 50% euphoria compared to the first night, maybe less.
Meanwhile, the negative after-effects were multiplied by at LEAST twice.

Consider this carefully.
Is it really worth rolling half as much when the comedown is TWICE as bad?

Don't just take it from me, there are plenty of other posts on BL illustrating the fallacy of rolling two days in a row. Even among the regular users who break all other rules, there seems to be an understanding that rolling two days in a row is NEVER worth it. It is the ONE rule agreed upon by the arrogant users...

Or you could just listen to your own instincts. If you pay attention, you will know the answer yourself. It is a MUCH better idea to smoke some bud or drink some beer. If you are feeling any sort of 'afterglow' it will do the trick. If you aren't, you need to pay attention to this warning.

The THIRD time I broke the rule didn't turn out so well.
Just take a look at my username...
Yes, there were other risk factors involved...
But rolling two weekends in a row and two DAYS in a row was enough to result in catastrophe the FIRST time. Need you tempt fate?

Aside from all this...
There is an abundance of research that proves that re-dosing causes the most damage. It is seen time and time again.
Typically multiple doses are given over a four day period.
Yes, the doses are normally large...

But the data is clear - repeated exposure is the MOST reliable way to cause damage to the serotonin nerves in your brain. This is no debate about this, anymore.

Even if you only do it 'this once', you will probably find it isn't worth it.

As far as supplements - I see no problem with anything other than 5-HTP.
It is associated with Serotonin Syndrome, something you do NOT want to experience. Pre and post loading is a bad idea. It would be wiser to simply eat a tryptophan-rich diet during the days leading up to your first roll. That means protein, by the way.

Post-loading with it has mixed reviews. I strongly recommend against post-loading between rolls.

Piracetam may be a good idea, IMO.
Without research to back me up, I believe it improves the brain's ability to rid itself of MDMA's toxic metabolites, which normally hang around for 3-5 days.
Taking it just prior to your MDMA dose may not be ideal. It takes Piracetam several hours to take effect - this is based upon extensive personal experience.

Not rolling two days in a row is the BEST advice I can give.
Apart from that, exercise is the next. It releases BDNF in the brain which has a direct and profound impact upon the plasticity of serotonin neurons.
If you insist on going forward with your plan, do some goddamn push-ups.

Watch your body temperature and drink electrolytes.
Good luck, and let us know if it was worth it!
 
hmmm I have the same question. Only thing is I plan on candyfliipping for my first time during the fest. It's a 3 day festival (thurs-sat). Do you think I should drink first day, candyflip second, and just roll third? Or switch the last two days? I know rolling two days in a row is bad, but I know if i'm there that I probably will. Thanks for the help guys.
 
You're much better off enjoying different substances each day- MDMA is not designed to be used two days in a row, and almost everyone who has attempted this will tell you this. If you are determined to do this, know that no supplement will ever synthesize the value of actual time in between your uses. When the minimum is considered 30 days for serotonin to replenish itself, attempting to get the effects 1 day later can prove harmful and ultimately not worth it. If you're going to do it, you'll save yourself some harm if keeping your doses low each day, and getting as much sleep as possible in between. The second night is never as fulfilling, and usually requires more MDMA to "get there".

You're better off picking another drug you like that won't deplete serotonin for one of the days. I'd choose the MDMA on the day you really want to roll the most, rather than trying to plan a "safe" way to do something unsafe.
 
Bsiren said:
You're better off picking another drug you like that won't deplete serotonin for one of the days. I'd choose the MDMA on the day you really want to roll the most, rather than trying to plan a "safe" way to do something unsafe.
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True, thank you Bsiren... I guess candyflipping will have to wait:\. I'll just roll the first day and drop acid the 2nd, as I believe the afterglow will complement the lsd nicely.
 
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First Bad Comedown said:
Even among the regular users who break all other rules, there seems to be an understanding that rolling two days in a row is NEVER worth it. It is the ONE rule agreed upon by the arrogant users...
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Aint this the truth. I dont always agree with FirstComedown, but me and him have a understanting situation on the rollin 2 days back to back siuation.

Aint worth it...Your most likely causing Neurotoxicity and nerurochemical damage. You could damage your receptors for months...shit like that take time to repair. TRUST.

Right now there are half a million people out in Vegas at a 3 day festival that are going to come back into society like zombies after this weekend. I myself was sposed to be out there with them, but since my plans fell through I got left behind.

I have friends that goin though, and they are all tellin me about how they are goin to roll every night and how awesome its going to be. Im a bit jealous, but when I think about the comedown they are about to experience I smile knowin I aint gotta go through that.

Its a good feeling.
 
Wow, thank a lot guys!

Just by all your responses and the research you've done on this, I've decided on only rolling 1 day. Maybe I'll just drink the 2nd day and keep myself hydrated.

Piracetam may be a good idea, IMO.
Without research to back me up, I believe it improves the brain's ability to rid itself of MDMA's toxic metabolites, which normally hang around for 3-5 days.
Taking it just prior to your MDMA dose may not be ideal. It takes Piracetam several hours to take effect - this is based upon extensive personal experience.
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I plan on eating a nice meal at around 1-2pm (a buffet actually) and won't eat the rest of the day. Should I take the attack-dose of Piracetam at around 3-4pm if I plan on dropping the first pill around 10pm?

Sorry for any ignorance, I'm still new with all this, lol. This will be my first time talking supplements out there before I roll.
 
I don't think it's worth it at all to roll two nights in a row. Too much stress on the brain/body. Just find something else to do the other night. Blaze maybe, or just enjoy yourself sober.
 
SteamRollerX said:
Wow, thank a lot guys!

Just by all your responses and the research you've done on this, I've decided on only rolling 1 day. Maybe I'll just drink the 2nd day and keep myself hydrated.



I plan on eating a nice meal at around 1-2pm (a buffet actually) and won't eat the rest of the day. Should I take the attack-dose of Piracetam at around 3-4pm if I plan on dropping the first pill around 10pm?

Sorry for any ignorance, I'm still new with all this, lol. This will be my first time talking supplements out there before I roll.
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Warms my heart to see this forum doing what it was meant to :) Good on ya and happy rolling!! :D
 
Thanks for the backup, Splinter.

When we can agree on something like this, we just might save somebody from a terrible fate.
They are more likely to listen to our combined voices. Kinda like Power Rangers or something. Lol.

I don't know why people think ANY psychedelic drug can be done multiple days in a row.
They take such a toll on your body. Simply paying attention and giving a damn about yourself would make the decision easy!

Frankie - I strongly recommend against the acid as well.
Combining drugs that interact with serotonin can have BAD results, even if spaced by 24 hours.
I have not had the privilege of doing acid, but I have been told it gets you higher than ANY other drug and it lasts ALL day.

Up to 20% of LSD users experience 'flashbacks' for months or years.
This holds true for those without pre-existing mental health problems.
This phenomena suggests long-lasting changes in the brain, specifically in the visual cortex.
It is a serotonin rich region and more vulnerable to damage than other areas of the brain due to its complexity. Taking mushrooms would likely be safer than LSD the day after.

But I really don't recommend ANY psychedelic drug the next day.
These should be treated as special occasions.

Smoking bud compliments the 'afterglow' just fine.
Or take some fucking opiates like hydrocodone or tramadol - THAT would be very nice.

Do you need to risk your 5-HT2a receptors by dropping acid after releasing so much serotonin from MDMA? Not a good plan...

SteamRoller - good call.
Glad we reached you...

At the buffet, focus on protein not carbs.
MDMA is hard on the gut and carbs are known to increase serotonin in the brain. It may sound like what you are after, but its not. Having a heavy meal in the process of digestion could be very yucky. Meanwhile, eating different kinds of proteins will provide extra stomach bile and serotonin supply.
Have you ever eaten LOTS of steak and felt a 'meat high'?
I have....its very visceral. Go for the meat and veggies, with only small portions of carbs.

Bsiren says that an attack dose on the day of the roll is ideal, but it should be spaced by at least 3-4 hours. Others have claimed that taking more moderate doses of Piracetam during 2 days prior is best.

I believe Piracetam not only effects the permeability of brain cells, but also the intestines. Only after it takes effect upon the whole length of the GI tract does it reach maximum benefit. I would recommend taking a small dose the day before, and an attack dose at 3 PM the day of.

Warning - Piracetam can cause anxiety all on its own. It makes me more argumentative for at least two hours. Remember this when you take it. After it passes, your brain will be racing at a much faster rate. People often report feeling much smarter. Take it with lots of fish oil and some choline for maximum effect!
They all work together, trust me.

Drink electrolytes, not just water. MDMA throws off electrolytes and inhibits the production of urine. Maintaining your electrolytes will help and may prevent a bad reaction.

Good luck, and have fun.
 
Good choice on sticking to drinking the second day. Alcohol is actually my preferred drug at music events believe it or not.

FBC- Piracetam makes you argue? You must have taken a boat load of that a few times before we have gotten into it :) HAHAHA. Just messing. Its crazy that you say 20% of LSD users experience flashbacks because I haven't dropped acid in about a year now and still get flashbacks when looking at things with patterns such as floor tiles or carpet. Some people told me it may be HPPD. If you have any thoughts on that would you mind sending me a PM?
 
Renz Envy said:
1) Pre-dose

Vitamin C
Magnesium
Milk Thistle



Post dose:
5-HTP
Piracetam (I think you're going to have to figure out the answer to your second question on your own. What kind of metabolism do you have. How much do you plan to eat before you dose ect.)

Why is melatonin on your list? I certainly hope you don't plan on relying on a substance to fall asleep :/
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follow this routine.
but dont take the 5HTP until you're comepletely done rolling.
you dont want to experience serotonin syndrome,
trust me, its NOT fun at all.

and the melatonin works, (well for me anyways)
and the magnesium will help relax your muscles for a deeper sleep
(if you got the right kind)
 
First Bad Comedown, thanks for the advice. I am going to take LSD however one of my days there and mdma the other day.

From peoples experience, is it more enjoyable to trip one day and roll the next, or vice versa? Do you think the afterglow helped your acid trip the next day? Or do you think its better to consume the MDMA the day after you trip as you could feel less drained after taking just acid.

Or should I just cash in all my chips on one day and candyflip/ drink and smoke on the other 2 days?:D

Thanks to this forum though, there's no chance I'm rolling 2 days in a row.
 
Rolling 2 days in a row is absolutely not worth the risks. What would be the purpose of attempting to repeat the experience so soon?

Personally I'd drop acid the first day, and mdma the second, because acid leaves me with a positive afterglow that might even enhance the roll, while mdma leaves me feeling fried. You wouldn't want to drop acid and start thinking too much about how you were blowing your brains out the previous night. As much as I love and respect mdma, that's pretty much what's happening as you are releasing a great many neurotransmitters.
 
Have a great time. FrankieBonez- taking MDMA one night and LSD the next is not harmful as they work on different areas of the brain. You'll be fine.
 
I once pondered the idea of using MDMA first night of a 3 day event then MDA (read a study a while back that suggested low cross-tolerance between the two substances) the last night while following harm reduction techniques, preloading, postloading. IDK though, still seems a bit risky.
 
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chitown rollin said:
Good choice on sticking to drinking the second day. Alcohol is actually my preferred drug at music events believe it or not.

FBC- Piracetam makes you argue? You must have taken a boat load of that a few times before we have gotten into it :) HAHAHA. Just messing. Its crazy that you say 20% of LSD users experience flashbacks because I haven't dropped acid in about a year now and still get flashbacks when looking at things with patterns such as floor tiles or carpet. Some people told me it may be HPPD. If you have any thoughts on that would you mind sending me a PM?
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I have never heard of HPPD until you mentioned it. I did a little research and it describes what happens to me perfectly. At least now I might have an idea as to whats going on with me..thanks :D
 
Awesome! Glad I could inadvertently help out! HPPD does not affect my life in any way. I'm not really sure why people make it seem so horrid. When looking at patterns or designs they seem to move a bit.. no biggie.. actually kind of cool! :)
 
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