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Opioids New crush proof Opana soon...

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COshred said:
Damn, you got really offended for someone stating that pharmaceutical companies making changes is good because it will be overall much safer.

Now, obviously there are people that recreationally use opana with caution and safety and are not "junkies" but also there are a lot of people out there that have their lives destroyed by prescription drugs so I think it's pretty selfish of you to be that upset that you cant get a good buzz because theyre trying to save people's lives (or at least look like that to the media). Either way, not being able to get the high you want for the right price is a small sacrifice for a change that will hopefully safe people from addiction and death.
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Really? In your heart of hearts, you sincerely and honestly believe that this change in formula will save many people from addiction and death? I'm sorry, and I'm not trying to be condescending or rude, but if the situation isn't at all obvious to you, then I have nothing more to say, really.

Because the truth is that those who are prone to experiment with different substances and those who are prone to become addicts will, and will despite a change in formula or whatever other obstacle stands in their way. You've never heard of a friend or relative telling you that, "Thank God for these abuse-proof oxycontin and opana, or else I'd be a total addict by now," because it doesn't happen that way.

It stays the same; the beat goes on, and I happen to believe that this change in formula will have no positive impact at all, and, in my opinion, as a recreational drug user as many of us here on this forum are, will only have negative consequences.

EDIT: And yes, I am offended. Because perhaps unknowingly but albeit without exception, the poster called those who are, in your own words, "people that use opana with safety and caution" ... "junkies." And no, I am not a junkie.

Consider this: You would agree that there are those few out there who are absolute burn-outs, right? They smoke weed and care not for their rent, bills, car payments, nor do they care even the tiniest bit at all for any other of the other adult responsibilities and commitments in their lives.

Now, if marijuana were suddenly made to be less effective and virtually abuse-proof, meaning that to get "high" on marijuana would be, well, nearly impossible, would you then celebrate as you are opana's change in formula? Allow me to assume (and yes, I know that to assume will make an ass of u and me) that you wouldn't celebrate the change. And that's where I am at with this change in formula. Do you understand now where I'm coming from?
 
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I hate the government trying to protect us from our own idiocy. If people would just educate themselves and understand the risks that come with the use of such a drug. There are just too many laws and bans...1984 is coming.

I mean there are safety labels for the stupidest of things now...it blows my mind that people would either sue over something so ridiculous or that someone would be that stupid to misuse a product.

I digress. I hope that this makes pain relief easier to obtain for people with chronic pain and that doctors aren't as restricted about such things. There are far too many people out there under-medicated for their pain.
 
verso said:
I'm not sure what you mean exactly by being for the new change in formula and calling those who abuse prescription pain killers "junkies." It's true that I have no prescription for these pain killers; I buy them illegally, and then I crush and snort them. But I don't break into cars, steal, or pawn my prized possessions in order to afford buying these pills. I'm not a junkie. I enjoy this substance, and I enjoy taking this substance in such a way that is less wasteful and more effective. I'm not happy about the formula change in the same way that anyone else on this forum, yourself included, would not be happy about their drug of choice being made more difficult, virtually impossible even to enjoy. So please, think before you make statements like this one.
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Sorry to jump in here and be totally off topic,but I get a script for morphine which I shoot.I dont steal,and have a decent job.But I consider myself a junkie.
The reason?Because I am physically dependent on JUNK,as in hard opioids.
That is how I define Junkie,some one who is hooked on JUNK.

Anyways,is this really gonna make a huge difference?From what I hear Opana ER already sucks donkey balls as it is.maybe not so much for people who snort them,but for people who shoot,then yeah they sound like a nightmare.

I hate the fact that they know people will inject these things no matter what,so they put shit in the pills that can seriously fuck up their health and bodies....disgusting if you ask me.
 
yeah great score for the DEA and pharmcos.......i know they are just as greedy as heroin dealers and now the profits will go to......der heroin dealers. so they just fucked up. the DEA wants to stop abuse but the pharmacos do not, they wants profit.

maybe this is what they want. i dont know. i do know that i found out how to inject the opana ER within 5 mins of research. the OP shit.......havent really done that shit more than a couple times.....even OC for that matter.
 
verso said:
Really? In your heart of hearts, you sincerely and honestly believe that this change in formula will save many people from addiction and death? I'm sorry, and I'm not trying to be condescending or rude, but if the situation isn't at all obvious to you, then I have nothing more to say, really.

Because the truth is that those who are prone to experiment with different substances and those who are prone to become addicts will, and will despite a change in formula or whatever other obstacle stands in their way. You've never heard of a friend or relative telling you that, "Thank God for these abuse-proof oxycontin and opana, or else I'd be a total addict by now," because it doesn't happen that way.

It stays the same; the beat goes on, and I happen to believe that this change in formula will have no positive impact at all, and, in my opinion, as a recreational drug user as many of us here on this forum are, will only have negative consequences.

EDIT: And yes, I am offended. Because perhaps unknowingly but albeit without exception, the poster called those who are, in your own words, "people that use opana with safety and caution" ... "junkies." And no, I am not a junkie.

Consider this: You would agree that there are those few out there who are absolute burn-outs, right? They smoke weed and care not for their rent, bills, car payments, nor do they care even the tiniest bit at all for any other of the other adult responsibilities and commitments in their lives.

Now, if marijuana were suddenly made to be less effective and virtually abuse-proof, meaning that to get "high" on marijuana would be, well, nearly impossible, would you then celebrate as you are opana's change in formula? Allow me to assume (and yes, I know that to assume will make an ass of u and me) that you wouldn't celebrate the change. And that's where I am at with this change in formula. Do you understand now where I'm coming from?
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In the grand scheme of things, the formula change isn't going to make a huge difference. But consider that there's a lot of people out there don't have access other painkillers so if they only have the new Opana which is hard to abuse, they might not abuse anything. Also, they have to start somewhere for making drugs safer. First it was oxys, now opanas, and I'm sure they're going to be doing it to a lot more drugs in the future. I'm sure all of this will cause a rise in heroin use but thats not the phram companies problem and heroin is obviously much harder to control.

But I'm not celebrating the formula change. I just think it's ridiculous that you're that mad that you can't get a buzz every once in awhile because they're making a change which purpose is to make the drug safer since obviously they're going to be losing money from the change. Now if the change is really going to be create more safety overall is another debate I don't want to get into.
 
COshred said:
In the grand scheme of things, the formula change isn't going to make a huge difference. But consider that there's a lot of people out there don't have access other painkillers so if they only have the new Opana which is hard to abuse, they might not abuse anything. Also, they have to start somewhere for making drugs safer. First it was oxys, now opanas, and I'm sure they're going to be doing it to a lot more drugs in the future. I'm sure all of this will cause a rise in heroin use but thats not the phram companies problem and heroin is obviously much harder to control.

But I'm not celebrating the formula change. I just think it's ridiculous that you're that mad that you can't get a buzz every once in awhile because they're making a change which purpose is to make the drug safer since obviously they're going to be losing money from the change. Now if the change is really going to be create more safety overall is another debate I don't want to get into.
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I'm not raging; It's not like I'm punching holes in my wall or crying over the formula change. It's just not something I'm happy about and it's not something that I see as an altogether positive thing.

And I don't think it's ridiculous at all to be upset that a substance I and many others I know enjoy and enjoy responsibly will have its formula changed to deter a certain percent of the population unable to do the same (use the substance responsibly).

If that's the population we're catering to, those unable to use substances responsibly, then let us reenact prohibition so that no child's father ever comes home late at night from losing his job and smashing his car; If that's the population we're catering to, then let cannabis never be made legal, and let no substance with even one iota the chance of being abused ever be tolerated.

The truth is that we are a busy, hard-working people who have always and will always enjoy taking substances to unwind at the end of a long day. For those who are unable to do the same, we've come to the conclusion that treatment and not prohibition, changes in policy or formula or whatever else, is the most effective.

But I've done too much talking, and if you're really for this change in formula, then I would honestly and sincerely like to hear how exactly you believe this change in formula will positively affect the lives of others. Explain to me how this change in formula will prevent already legitimate and responsible medical patients from abusing the medication (not something they're likely to do anyway) and will prevent users prone to experimenting with substances from doing just that.
 
verso said:
Really? In your heart of hearts, you sincerely and honestly believe that this change in formula will save many people from addiction and death? I'm sorry, and I'm not trying to be condescending or rude, but if the situation isn't at all obvious to you, then I have nothing more to say, really.

Because the truth is that those who are prone to experiment with different substances and those who are prone to become addicts will, and will despite a change in formula or whatever other obstacle stands in their way. You've never heard of a friend or relative telling you that, "Thank God for these abuse-proof oxycontin and opana, or else I'd be a total addict by now," because it doesn't happen that way.

It stays the same; the beat goes on, and I happen to believe that this change in formula will have no positive impact at all, and, in my opinion, as a recreational drug user as many of us here on this forum are, will only have negative consequences.

EDIT: And yes, I am offended. Because perhaps unknowingly but albeit without exception, the poster called those who are, in your own words, "people that use opana with safety and caution" ... "junkies." And no, I am not a junkie.

Consider this: You would agree that there are those few out there who are absolute burn-outs, right? They smoke weed and care not for their rent, bills, car payments, nor do they care even the tiniest bit at all for any other of the other adult responsibilities and commitments in their lives.

Now, if marijuana were suddenly made to be less effective and virtually abuse-proof, meaning that to get "high" on marijuana would be, well, nearly impossible, would you then celebrate as you are opana's change in formula? Allow me to assume (and yes, I know that to assume will make an ass of u and me) that you wouldn't celebrate the change. And that's where I am at with this change in formula. Do you understand now where I'm coming from?
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In the long run, there will be less opiate addicts if there are abuse proof pills. I would *not* be the opiate addict I am today if it weren't for the old oxy formulation. It's supposed to be medicine, no one tells you that you are basically snorting heroin. Had someone tapped me on my shoulder and said dude, that stuff is one of the most addictive drugs there is, I would not have done it. I found out oxycontin was addictive the same way all my friends did, I went into withdrawal. I watched the price of an 80 go from $30 to $80. We owe it to our children to make it harder to make the same mistakes we have made. Will this change in formulation help me? It won't, nothing but dope takes away my constant and unyielding craving for dope. Would I have been an opiate addict if I had not had pills I could crush, snort, and be high on in 10 min. Most likely not. I took hydros and percs way before I ran across oc. I didn't ever give a damn about them though, took too long. Swallowing a bunch of pills is a lot of work, oc's aren't that great when I eat them. I know I wouldn't have gone this far without that quick high I could get off oxy. The more work it is, the fewer addicts there are out there.
 
I think one of the biggest effects of this will be that the pills are harder to abuse by routes other than oral. I seem to recall that the OP could be crushed, I assume these will be crushable with a little effort but will be more of a pain to get ready for use by routes other than oral.
 
It seems to be aimed at the sniffers, there aren't exactly tons of people out there firing opana er. Because of the way it works (increased BA) when snorted, I am going to assume they are going to do something to make it very unpleasant, otherwise, they will have little effect. I don't "crush" my opana, I grind it, and they can make it harder and harder, I'll still find a way to grind it.
 
Even if people can bypass it, i'm 100% for it. It can also work as a deterrent. As people said there are so many doctors hesitant to prescribe opiates and maybe this will change things for the people that need them. This is one step towards fighting the battle for the people not getting the right pain management treatments. Trust me, I know a few out there. This is just IMO
 
Secobarbital said:
In the long run, there will be less opiate addicts if there are abuse proof pills. I would *not* be the opiate addict I am today if it weren't for the old oxy formulation. It's supposed to be medicine, no one tells you that you are basically snorting heroin. Had someone tapped me on my shoulder and said dude, that stuff is one of the most addictive drugs there is, I would not have done it. I found out oxycontin was addictive the same way all my friends did, I went into withdrawal. I watched the price of an 80 go from $30 to $80. We owe it to our children to make it harder to make the same mistakes we have made. Will this change in formulation help me? It won't, nothing but dope takes away my constant and unyielding craving for dope. Would I have been an opiate addict if I had not had pills I could crush, snort, and be high on in 10 min. Most likely not. I took hydros and percs way before I ran across oc. I didn't ever give a damn about them though, took too long. Swallowing a bunch of pills is a lot of work, oc's aren't that great when I eat them. I know I wouldn't have gone this far without that quick high I could get off oxy. The more work it is, the fewer addicts there are out there.
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Well said.
 
Secobarbital said:
In the long run, there will be less opiate addicts if there are abuse proof pills. I would *not* be the opiate addict I am today if it weren't for the old oxy formulation. It's supposed to be medicine, no one tells you that you are basically snorting heroin. Had someone tapped me on my shoulder and said dude, that stuff is one of the most addictive drugs there is, I would not have done it. I found out oxycontin was addictive the same way all my friends did, I went into withdrawal. I watched the price of an 80 go from $30 to $80. We owe it to our children to make it harder to make the same mistakes we have made. Will this change in formulation help me? It won't, nothing but dope takes away my constant and unyielding craving for dope. Would I have been an opiate addict if I had not had pills I could crush, snort, and be high on in 10 min. Most likely not. I took hydros and percs way before I ran across oc. I didn't ever give a damn about them though, took too long. Swallowing a bunch of pills is a lot of work, oc's aren't that great when I eat them. I know I wouldn't have gone this far without that quick high I could get off oxy. The more work it is, the fewer addicts there are out there.
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So you chopped up a pill, crushed it into powder, snorted it, and you thought that you were just taking your medicine? Really? So what you're saying is that it's the substance and not your behavior, your willingness to experiment? I'm sorry, but I guess that's where we disagree.
 
How exactly are they making them crush resistant? Just a hard candy coating? It has to dissolve the same in the stomach otherwise they would have to change the dosing so it might not be that hard to overcome.

You're right, though. I think this IS mostly aimed at people who snort them. I suppose you could always just dissolve it then use a nasal sprayer, not too much more work.

Anyway, I'm really curious on how they plan on making this crush resistant and how you plan on bypassing it ;-)
 
^Its not going to be fully crush resistant. There probably going to be just like the new ocs. Its just like gel shit but with a ped egg or a calasis remover they are easily brought to powder but then if you try snorting it the powder gels up in your nose and doesnt have any effect.

So what im trying to say isss the gelling is what makes them unabusable. Not the pill being crush resistant.
 
I am a user of Opana and I find this change to be both positive yet negative. After Oxys turned OC and stopped getting them all together, as soon as the Opana turns into the same thing I'm sure my usage is going to stop and I'll be able to keep money in my wallet for some time. I just think that if you wish to abuse a pill, why not do it? It's your decision if you want to ruin your life. Opana is very expensive and it's a lot of money to shell out just for a 40mg.

In my opion I would rather have my money going to the guy in a white lab coat getting paid by the hour and went to school for what he/she is doing rather than some guy in the back of a trailer wearing a white wife beater with one tooth hanging over some dope.
 
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