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When is it okay to start exercising after meth and other abused substances?

franky figgs

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hi guys . really just after some information about trying to get healthy after abusing meth . ?

As a lot of you may no when you try and stop it doesn't always happen . so when can u mix meth and and exercise ? and what other advice can anyone give on trying to fix or should i say help mend the stress you have put your body under . Im guessing its mainly the heart . i also use GHB (juice , liquid G) and Xanax , valiums for relaxation and sleep . any info you can share on the best ways about eating , vitamins , specific exercise, takeing into consideration i may still be useing would be greatly apprciated. if anyone would like to no any of my personal experiences and or knowledge on the above mentioned substances please ask as i have found others words have been helpful.

franky figgs .
 
Personally I know nothing about this topic but I think it's a great question and thread.

I think Sustanon will be able to help you out a bit :)
 
Meth can increase your heart rate so if u exercise too hard u can get heart attack, but then again in clubs people go pretty hard.
Some bodybuilders use meth to workout harder

Be careful if you are on downers n tripy substances and gym, you can imagine how accidents can happen.

Also remember some substances dehydrate, so when exercising can be even worse. But there is also the fact that some substances make u retain water so drinking too much can also put u in hospital.

If you are going to want to be healthy, I know it's hard, but go clean for a month or so, let's body recover, heart and most important liver. The good thing about that is you also lower tollerances so it's a little cheaper

Most of all sleep!

Food with consideration to heart, not too fatty, not salty, eat fruit n veggies, dun go so hard on vitamins also cuz kidneys get stressed too. Don't force yourself to eat either, I found that when I go clean for a while, I can't eat much, but get hungry more often. This is because stomach shrinks in size when it doesn't get much food, ESP when on meth, i know i never get hungry.

Fuck this iPad shit...i'll write more when I get home on a computer, but if anyone else writes something before that all gud
 
Once soon after I consumed I got on a cycle and rode 6km/s quite fast. Not a leisurely ride. I got home and looked in the mirror and both my eyeballs were full of blood where the whites of the eyes should be.

I concluded my blood pressure got so high due to the combination of meth and adrenaline that I blew out the capillaries in the front of my eye balls. I was later told by the eye dr that I could have just have easily blown out the capillaries at the rear of the eye & if this had happened I could have been blind for life. I think I was just unlucky though
 
hi guys . really just after some information about trying to get healthy after abusing meth . ?

As a lot of you may no when you try and stop it doesn't always happen . so when can u mix meth and and exercise ? and what other advice can anyone give on trying to fix or should i say help mend the stress you have put your body under . Im guessing its mainly the heart . i also use GHB (juice , liquid G) and Xanax , valiums for relaxation and sleep . any info you can share on the best ways about eating , vitamins , specific exercise, takeing into consideration i may still be useing would be greatly apprciated. if anyone would like to no any of my personal experiences and or knowledge on the above mentioned substances please ask as i have found others words have been helpful.

franky figgs .

Ill try and answer some of ur questions. I have been in a similar position before indulging in those substances. It's not really wise to use meth whilst exercising, it can put quite a bit of stress on ur cardiovascular system.

Whilst i have done a workout coming down off meth its not a pleasant feeling. See if u are trying to loose weight then it may help u (I have/had a number of fat friends who lost a bunch of weight this way) Its not the best solution as eventually u will stop using meth (one day) and ur appetite will grow to astronomical proportions and can easily give into temptations and the weight will come back on.

As for building muscle its the worst substance. Knocks ur appetite back, weakens ur immune system and does not help with muscle formation. If u are really serious about getting fit, building muscle or just loosing weight or all the above then its really important that u start detoxing or try limiting ur usage. This is the main reason why u stopped using stims, gym + stims do not go well together.

I suggest u look into detoxification first then invest in some really good quality vitamins, protein and other supplements if u need it. Eating clean helps a lot too. Try eating lean meats, lots of fresh greens and low fatty foods. If u want to be strict about it i suggest u look into low GI eating. Low GI foods wont send ur blood sugar levels sky rocketing up and down. Steam rooms help quite alot. I removes 30% of ur body toxins whilst sweating. It also helps increase ur metabolic rate which helps with reducing body fat.

As for the xanax. GHB/GBL etc its not as much of a concern compared to meth. I noticed that i was generally alot stronger once i was off the benzos. I used to eat them like candy for the very same reason. I find that smoking weed helps with sleep (alot more than xanax) even tho xanax knocks one out sooner than the good old herb. Hope I have helped u somewhat but if not PM me:) Good luck with it. Just remember to keep determined.
 
Hi guys I'm on a I phone so I will get back to you properly when I get to a computer , all information was good . I think may have worded it wrong in the initial post . I wouldn't be exercising the day/days I was however a day or 2 and a sleep after . Also it's not the weight issues it's just I can feel my pulse/ heart rate is far to high even when I haven't gotten high for a couple of days . I will hit u guys up for some more once at a computer . Thanks !
 
A friend of mine had been using a great deal of crystal meth over the past 4-5 years and had quit fairly recently. After aprox 1.5 months of no meth he had skated over to a mutual friend's house which is a couple of ks away with some pretty steep hills enroute. Anyway, long story short he has sat down and rested for a couple of mins on arrival and then had a cardiac arrest. Fortunately our mutual mate has commenced effective CPR and the ambulance was there within 10 mins, and after 4 shocks he was brought around with no lasting defecits.

He went into pulseless VT for those that know what i'm talking about. Apparently he has damaged the conduction pathways in his heart with all the meth, and this combined with the exertion has triggered a near fatal arrythmia.

So, if I were you i'd trot on down to the GPs, have a chat and get them to do some checks on your heart before you start into anything 2 serious. And for everyone else, do a first aid course - you might save someone's life.
 
fuk thats pretty heavy glad he was ok, puts into perspective the pressure stim abuse has on the heart.
Reminds me of Andy Irons the pro surfer how he died of cardiac arrest from meth/coke abuse, and I mean a pro surfer, they are cut and fit as, imagine how the rest of us fare.

What I want to know is medications that stim abusers can take perhaps daily to minimise this damage to the cardiovascular system say like low dose aspirin or other blood pressure meds or if the pathway of damage is significantly different to normal heart disease that this stuff doesn't work? (I imagine they would work but not stop the damage). Anyone have any info on this or is there a thread or somin?
 
Um asprin thins your blood, doesnt really affect pressure that much, also meth is straining on body as is, and adding another drug which liver and kidneys have to deal with as well...
 
well im no doctor but am an engineer so I know if the viscosity of the pumped fluid is reduced it will reduce the pumping energy required to move it x distance through pipes, not medical but there are numerous analogies that can be made with process engineering. Imo this would reduce a bit of stress on the heart and allow a bit more flow through the ateries and veins but if the heart is just ordered to go full throttle and veins are hardened the benefits of blood thinning may be minor. It was just an idea that certainly has medical weight behind it in terms of preventative measures for heart disease/stroke and clots. And if the blood is thinner it stands to reason it would be less likely to dislodge plaque and cause a stroke or attack.

aspirin for this is very low dose which imo would have negligible effect on the liver/kidneys unless you were in the throws of liver failure, we really are talking about prevention of cardiovascular problems. Anyway im going overboard about the aspirin but still interested about other meds that could help.
 
Another thing with IV meth use is infected heart valves or IVDA endocarditis & can result in congestive heart failure. With bikies cornering the market on meth I don't think you can be assured there aint' bacteria in the hit & that attacks your heart valves. Ofcourse there's your own shot cleanliness as well. You could introduce the bacteria yourself, or the dealer could. I mean if the shit falls on the floor, it's not like a dealer is just going to throw it out. Just brush it up of the floor.
 
well im no doctor but am an engineer so I know if the viscosity of the pumped fluid is reduced it will reduce the pumping energy required to move it x distance through pipes, not medical but there are numerous analogies that can be made with process engineering. Imo this would reduce a bit of stress on the heart and allow a bit more flow through the ateries and veins but if the heart is just ordered to go full throttle and veins are hardened the benefits of blood thinning may be minor. It was just an idea that certainly has medical weight behind it in terms of preventative measures for heart disease/stroke and clots. And if the blood is thinner it stands to reason it would be less likely to dislodge plaque and cause a stroke or attack.

aspirin for this is very low dose which imo would have negligible effect on the liver/kidneys unless you were in the throws of liver failure, we really are talking about prevention of cardiovascular problems. Anyway im going overboard about the aspirin but still interested about other meds that could help.

If aspirin was reducing the viscosity of the blood then it could possibly reduce the blood pressure, however the term 'blood thinner' when used for aspirin (and most anti-coagulants) is a misnomer. Among other things, the drug inhibits the formation of thromboxane A2, a lipid that increases the ability of platelets to aggregate. Therefore, aspirin is just reducing the ability of platelets to clot, not reducing blood viscosity.

The thromboxanes are also involved in vasoconstriction however, and vasoconstriction can definitely lead to increased blood pressure. However my understanding of it is that this vasoconstriction mainly affects coronary arteries and when it is not functioning properly leads to a certain type of angina. I don't think that aspirin will have much effect on the catecholamine induced vasoconstriction of methamphetamine.

You are right that the dose of aspirin required for this is low; 80-100mg will suffice, and at that dose there should not be adverse renal effects unless the person is quite dehydrated or already has renal problems.
 
ultimately, though you don't wanna hear it. get off the fucking tweak man.
Do whatever it takes.
Move cities, change jobs, tell your family, delete all your meth"mates" from your life, fuck it, go round your dealers place and shit on his bed so he never meets you again, whatever you need to do.
Cause the road your on, it aint pretty further down the line.
Trust me im and old fucker.


Enough of the "don't" attitude. ive said all i need, and you can take it or leave it. plus i wont judge you either way.

If you are going to be using regularly;
D-amphetamines or dexamphetamines are much much much safer. (adderal).
also...
5 golden rules
(1) Use regular d-amphetamine, instead of the more neurotoxic methamphetamine and MDA/MDMA (anything with a methylenedioxy substituent is going to produce more oxidative stress).
(2) Keep your dosage reasonable--don't use massive tweak-a-thon binge doses. Also, always take your amphetamines orally as they were meant to be taken, that way you get a nice, smooth stimulation without a sudden massive jump in plasma concentration.
(3) Ensure that your core body temperature stays as low as possible--neurotoxicity is directly linked to hyperthermia, so chill out (literally). You can use a little paracetamol (a little) with a NSAID to lower a fever if it occurs.
(4) For anti-oxidant supplements, try Vitamins C, D and E, as well as resveratrol. Levo-deprenyl is also good, but keep your dose low if you are taking it with amphetamine. Ergoloids like hydergine work too.
(5) Throw in a little magnesium to lower amphetamine tolerance.

best antioxidant is green tea!!!! lots of it!!
body temp in summer is an issue!! use your air con! its worth the money!! a little known secret, but mine was always pumping, as a cool body -even by point 9 of a degree - is one FAR less succeptable to neurotoxicity! in fact the effects in rats are startling - two groups recieving daily amps, one at 23C and one at 26C, just 3 degrees, showed a huge reduction on neurotoxicity!

Oxidative stress btw is -
In a nutshell, oxidative stress is produced by oxygenated free radicals such as superoxides, peroxides and hydroxides that cause intracellular and extracellular damage and eventually induce cell apoptosis (death). These oxidants are produced normally by the body during its daily functioning and are usually easily dealt with. However, drugs like methamphetamine increase body temperature by serotonin efflux, which reduces the ability of a cell to cope with oxidative stress, as well as increase free radical formation by dopamine efflux. Dopamine is metabolized to its aldehyde by MAO-B resulting in the formation of ammonia and hydrogen peroxide, which can further lead to the formation of other radicals like superoxides in a pro-oxidative environment such as one with increased temperature.

This is why MAO-B inhibition protects against neurotoxicity induced by methamphetamine and the like, and why those drugs are so dangerous to the brain. It's also why antioxidants provide protection against such damage.

i used to do something like this -
2x400mg Magnesium Oxide
1x100mg CoQ-10
2x500mg Taurine
1x B-Complex Vitamin
1x100mg 5-HTP
2x10mg Vinpocetine
1x100mg DMAE
1x500mg L-Tyrosine
2x350mg Choline
1x Omega-3 "950"
1x200mg Alpha Lipoic Acid
2x Glucosamine Chondroitin MSM

^ideal effective prevention from NTXY
protein shakes are good - essential amino acids
green tea too
with regards to vitamin C be sure you take it only after your amps wear off because it interferes with absorption and speeds up the excretion of amphetamines.

sleeping is crucial

Generally, I would recommend not going above 100mg of regular amphetamine in 24 hours. For methamphetamine, the dose would be lower, as methamphetamine releases almost 5-times the amount of dopamine that amphetamine does in DAT-expressing cells (Goodwin et al, 2009). Meth appears to be a whole new can of worms when it comes to addictiveness and toxicity...but it is hard to know if that is a result of the pharmacology of the compound itself (compared to regular amphetamine) or the ridiculously high doses that recreational users and addicts tend to administer. It seems that people who take meth usually take upwards of 100mg per dose (often taking more than one dose per day)--for those that administer it by smoking, a dose of 250mg per sitting is considered fairly routine. Clearly, mg for mg, methamphetamine is more toxic and far more addictive than regular amphetamine, but the fact that it seems to be used almost exclusively in over-the-top doses can't help matters.

Also, for tolerance sake, taking a low dose of amphetamine consistently is far better than taking a large dose (and I would say 150mg is definitely a large dose) sporadically. Sporadic high-dose amphetamine (and especially methamphetamine) administration seems to dramatically increase tolerance to the beneficial effects--cognitive enhancement, wakefulness, mood elevation--while paradoxically decreasing tolerance (or sensitizing, as it is called in the animal literature) to the negative effects--peripheral tweakiness, compulsive/stereotyped thoughts or motor behavior, insomnia, mania, etc... Consistent administration of low-dose amphetamine tends to exert the opposite effect: tolerance to the annoying peripheral effects but preservation of the cognitive benefits and central stimulation.

thats enuff for now
 
The amount of times I and several others have been out clubbing in the past years with the addition of frequent car park visits throughout the night. Sort of surprises me that nothing like this has ever come close to happening, or to anyone that I know of if that's the case.. and we do anything BUT stand/sit around!
 
The amount of times I and several others have been out clubbing in the past years with the addition of frequent car park visits throughout the night. Sort of surprises me that nothing like this has ever come close to happening, or to anyone that I know of if that's the case.. and we do anything BUT stand/sit around!

nothing like "this" has ever come close to happening?
"this" being?
heart attack?
brain damage?
dehydration?
etc?

remeber though - we do tend to hear about the extreme cases, where something will eventually happen to anyone who uses amphs regularly.
Sure i had a good 5 years of usage with a great group of us DJ's, doing squat and free rave parties throughout the mid ninetees around europe, until something tragic happened to a friend - its easy to let the honeymoon period lull you into a state where you keep doing it UNTIL something harsh happens!

for me, i wish i could have forseen it, and not lost a very dear friend and incredible techno producer. R.I.P calamity Max 1971-1996

remember that it is very difficult to get a sense of the internal damage you do to body and brain, and by the time sufficient damage has manifested itself into an emergency - its often too late to recover fully ever again.

but hey!
you know this!

and, harm reduction aside - personally, I cained it real hard for ten years, as much of everything all of the time. winning.
i had one mode. go!

I just about got away with it.
Ive lost an eye, a foot, and my nose fell off, plus the wheelchair - but at least im mobile!!!

^joke - my head is pretty skatty tho......what was i talking about?
 
Sorry, not doubting anything being said in this thread by all means..

But yes I was referring to anything short of a heart attack, brain damage, passing out ect.
And we go fucking HARD! endless endless hours on the dance floor, cramping up due to substantial amounts of sweat loss, pushing right through to recovery clubs and taking several other substances along the way, and the list go's on!

Only times I've been there/heard of ambulances being called for drug related problems in my time, is due to ghb overdoses and solely that reason. Melbourne knows a blow out when we see one..


Edit: Not even sure what the whole point of my first post was tbh lol. Guess reading through all this just opened my eyes up to how these sorts of thing aren't really that uncommon, and was surprised that nothing like this has happened to anyone I know personally seeing the amount of stress we probably put our bodies through quite frequently, for extended periods of time, over and over and over again.
 
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And we go fucking HARD! endless endless hours on the dance floor, cramping up due to substantial amounts of sweat loss, pushing right through to recovery clubs and taking several other substances along the way, and the list go's on!

i think youre entirely failing to see my point here!!

Have you actually read the sentences in this thread?
did you understand them?

Cause thats my point mate - you go hard! well done man - do you want a medal?

Do you think that by "cramping up due to substantial sweat loss"
and "pushing through to recovery clubs"
or "taking several substances along the way"

You aren't doing any damage????
This evidence of your apparent "hardcore" group of mates, makes you immune to future issues?
My point is, it's in the mail, coming to a party near you soon!

I've cained it too mate - you aint the first.
i aint hear to start cocksizing, but, don't even get into a conversation about how harcore you and your mates are.
You will lose.

My whole point is that you cain it, you get away with it, but nobody gets away with it forever!!!!
especially if you can't even manage the simple task of staying rehydrated!!

take it easy man!
this is harm reduction!
 
ahh you edited your post now - but yeah - read carefully man
cause im trying to give my best advice here - and tbh ive probably got a couple of decades more experience under my belt.

Particularly as i run my own record label, organize events all over asia and europe, and have a job as a dj/promoter/producer in the global dance music industry!!
Thats what i do!

im not trying to show off - just trying to show how i may be worth listening to - or not - its up to you!
 
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