Done more reasarch!!!

[berry1]

Hi everyone,
Yes im back and ive done more reasarch into the agaric mushrooms, and other things.

So the agaric mushrooms get their psychedelics from the chemicals ibotenic acid, muscimol, muscazone and muscarine.

Ive also readen that too much agaric mushrooms can be extremely dangerous and can cause liver falier or even brain damage, now this had set my brain off on a path of anxious thinking (But are you unlikely too get brain damage or liver falier off your first time doing agaric mushrooms?



Also whats the sort of high you can get off herbal marijuana (legal subs) like tai high, blast off, magic gold etc. Lets not forget ive never tryed any of these so im curious of the high/buzz you get off them, Is the sort of high like when you smoke tobacco through a large bong repeatedly or is it more intense because i was really suprised at the high you can get off smoking a bong of tobacco (a large one thought)... I took about 4-5 large hits of tobbacco and the feeling was quite strong...


What about kratom, whats the high like. Is it again like a stronger tobacco high or different...

Thanks all i still need too try the mean green (chiller like tai high).

 

[berry1]

Sorry one more question...

what about stuff like blowout, raz etc what sort of high do they produce, do you feel light headed off raz etc

thats a bunch

mike

 

[Eshu2012]

Urin...how is it spelled

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[thoughtsUnThought]

i believe (off the top of my head, though it's a head full of psychedelic info) that the ibotenic acid is what can cause liver damage....though the drying, and particularly the heating of the mushroom converts the ibotenic acid into muscimol.

this reaction causes the more toxic components to become more psychedelic components...and i think, THINK, that they are safe and harmless when prepared properly.

 

[TheAzo]

The "herbal" fake marijuana and incense blends are all synthetic cannabinoids sprayed on herbs. It's similar to MJ, but smoking too much can cause really unpleasant anxiety/etc.

The stuff that doesn't have synthetic cannabinoids in it doesn't do jack shit.

i believe (off the top of my head, though it's a head full of psychedelic info) that the ibotenic acid is what can cause liver damage....though the drying, and particularly the heating of the mushroom converts the ibotenic acid into muscimol.

this reaction causes the more toxic components to become more psychedelic components...and i think, THINK, that they are safe and harmless when prepared properly.

Mostly safe, but as you can tell by the lack of people posting here talking about it, it's not popular

 

[DwayneHoover]

^ Yes Amanita Muscaria (best to stick to that specific strain... other strains ARE lethal) properly prepared (dried in a low heat oven, THEN crushed & simmered in water for 45 mins at a minimum... then you filter out & toss the shroom meat and drink the boil liquid) are not toxic and cause minimal side effects in most people (they do appear to still disagree with some people however)... (some nausea which is easily banished by just a few tokes of weed).

BUT the experience is NOTHING like LSD or psilocybin shrooms... you sort of get sleepy and pass out into these sequences of very vivid dreaming that you remember once you wake up after 10-20 mins... then go out again, back and forth, for 2-4 hours. AND the dreams while definitely "psychedelic" can be on a VERY deep or "out there" mythical sort of level and be VERY freaky and to some people not expecting such a "heavy" experience, frightening, hence they are NOT popular.

Once I was in orbit with some other-dimensional god-like being who was "eating" the "souls" or accumulated-life-experiences of people, animals, everything that had recently died on the Earth and were flowing up off of the Earth towards the sun in a great sparkling "River of Souls" to steal a phrase from Babylon5... somehow far far beyond my ability to make sense of, "It" was "constructing" its "offspring" out of the accumulated memories of all Earth's dead... perhaps they were even Grateful, haha... still it was bizarre and incomprehensible in the extreme and quite a bit scary... I woke up and was like "OHHHH MY GOD... WHAT THE FUCK... IS THAT WHAT IS GOING ON HERE? HOLY CRAP... OH NOOOOO!!!"

 

[PROZ4C]

AND the dreams while definitely "psychedelic" can be on a VERY deep or "out there" mythical sort of level and be VERY freaky and to some people not expecting such a "heavy" experience, frightening, hence they are NOT popular.

Once I was in orbit with some other-dimensional god-like being who was "eating" the "souls" or accumulated-life-experiences of people, animals, everything that had recently died on the Earth and were flowing up off of the Earth towards the sun in a great sparkling "River of Souls" to steal a phrase from Babylon5... somehow far far beyond my ability to make sense of, "It" was "constructing" its "offspring" out of the accumulated memories of all Earth's dead... perhaps they were even Grateful, haha... still it was bizarre and incomprehensible in the extreme and quite a bit scary... I woke up and was like "OHHHH MY GOD... WHAT THE FUCK... IS THAT WHAT IS GOING ON HERE? HOLY CRAP... OH NOOOOO!!!"

 

[Unelmaporsas]

Never done Amanitas myself (well, tried once, dosed too low), but judging from trip reports, I wouldn't do it. Also, I'd never buy "herbal blends"/"inceses" from vendors that don't list ingredients - It's good to know what you're putting in your body.

Agarics are relatively safe when prepared & dosed properly - heavy on liver and kidneys maybe, but not leathally so. But I'd stick to traditional psychedelics (= serotoenergic stuff), Amanita Muscaria is whole another ball game.

Kratom is an opioid so no: it's not tobacco-like high.

 

[greenmeanies]

drinking your own urine is definitely the #1 way to get the most out of amanita muscaria. but obviously you gotta have quite the day trip planned out if you're gonna be wandering around in the woods sipping drug-piss out of a gatorade bottle...

as far as the "herbal weed" goes, i'd say feel free to give it a shot, but smoke ONLY ONE SMALL HIT and WAIT 30 MINUTES before you consider hitting it again. the synthetic (NOT HERBAL) cannabinoids are incredibly potent and cause panic attacks in high doses. lower doses are almost indistinguishable from cheap weed. also don't roll a blunt from the "shake" at the bottom of the bag-- it's probably 10x more potent than the pinch you first measure out from the top.

 

[abrad84]

The weed substitutes you mentioned will contain the same or similar compounds to the cannibinoids that caused your anxiety reaction last time.

Out of all the drugs you mentioned I would say kratom would be most enjoyable for you. It feels like a moderately strong opioid. People often compare it to hydrocodone (Vicoden).

 

[berry1]

I thought that type of mushroom was consumed via first responders urine...hey its supposed to be an immune builder if you drink your own eurin...
Are you sure you researched this topic?

Dont know about your second questions...

Thanks mate, yea i researched them i also have read that drinking your own piss is the best idea like you said! but haha i didn't really fancy that lolol... so i smoked a small cup, 2 bongs full and it had very speedy affects.

i believe (off the top of my head, though it's a head full of psychedelic info) that the ibotenic acid is what can cause liver damage....though the drying, and particularly the heating of the mushroom converts the ibotenic acid into muscimol.

this reaction causes the more toxic components to become more psychedelic components...and i think, THINK, that they are safe and harmless when prepared properly.

Thanks mate, i didn't no that mate... haha im still learning lol... I just read on alot of sites that if you over do it with agarics you run the risk of liver falier or brain damage... It didn't mention about preparation but your probably right mate :D

The "herbal" fake marijuana and incense blends are all synthetic cannabinoids sprayed on herbs. It's similar to MJ, but smoking too much can cause really unpleasant anxiety/etc.

The stuff that doesn't have synthetic cannabinoids in it doesn't do jack shit.

Mostly safe, but as you can tell by the lack of people posting here talking about it, it's not popular

Thanks mate, i heard that but i wasn't certan thanks... As i said in one of my other threads i really cant handle the anxiety etc... so if i took a small hit of one of the fake marijuanas (mean green its definatly sprayed with the synthetics as theirs tones of good reviews on it) would i be likely too get anxiety, panic attacks etc... Or what about if i had a small lung full out of a pipe, i wont touch them if i will get the panic attacks as i dont think its worth that... Why aint it popular here im assuming because most of yous that are going too be doing marijuana would do the real thing but really that aint an option for me im staying above the law not braking it... even if it would not be a serious offence im staying on the right side lolol...

^ Yes Amanita Muscaria (best to stick to that specific strain... other strains ARE lethal) properly prepared (dried in a low heat oven, THEN crushed & simmered in water for 45 mins at a minimum... then you filter out & toss the shroom meat and drink the boil liquid) are not toxic and cause minimal side effects in most people (they do appear to still disagree with some people however)... (some nausea which is easily banished by just a few tokes of weed).

BUT the experience is NOTHING like LSD or psilocybin shrooms... you sort of get sleepy and pass out into these sequences of very vivid dreaming that you remember once you wake up after 10-20 mins... then go out again, back and forth, for 2-4 hours. AND the dreams while definitely "psychedelic" can be on a VERY deep or "out there" mythical sort of level and be VERY freaky and to some people not expecting such a "heavy" experience, frightening, hence they are NOT popular.

Once I was in orbit with some other-dimensional god-like being who was "eating" the "souls" or accumulated-life-experiences of people, animals, everything that had recently died on the Earth and were flowing up off of the Earth towards the sun in a great sparkling "River of Souls" to steal a phrase from Babylon5... somehow far far beyond my ability to make sense of, "It" was "constructing" its "offspring" out of the accumulated memories of all Earth's dead... perhaps they were even Grateful, haha... still it was bizarre and incomprehensible in the extreme and quite a bit scary... I woke up and was like "OHHHH MY GOD... WHAT THE FUCK... IS THAT WHAT IS GOING ON HERE? HOLY CRAP... OH NOOOOO!!!"

Thanks mate, Tbh i think a LSD, or proper shroom high would be far too much for me i cant take things that intense lol. Haha i could barely take my last high never mind a frigging LSD high... Anyway LSDs illegal and im keeping above the law i couldn't care less what you guys buy because thats your choice but im staying above the law... Wow mate i dont wont that kind of high mate... or atleast i dont think i do im looking for the kind of high when you smoke tobacco out of a bong you no the high when you take about 3-6 large hits out of a large bong... and you feel kind of high thats the kind of high im looking for because at the moment i dont think i could take much more... lol... Hahaha i no what your going too say *why not just have your tobacco then* but because its full of shit and i mean full compared too most smoking blends any way so im looking for something like that :D... Fuck man that sounds very very intense lolol.

Never done Amanitas myself (well, tried once, dosed too low), but judging from trip reports, I wouldn't do it. Also, I'd never buy "herbal blends"/"inceses" from vendors that don't list ingredients - It's good to know what you're putting in your body.

Agarics are relatively safe when prepared & dosed properly - heavy on liver and kidneys maybe, but not leathally so. But I'd stick to traditional psychedelics (= serotoenergic stuff), Amanita Muscaria is whole another ball game.

Kratom is an opioid so no: it's not tobacco-like high.

Thanks mate, so whats the feeling of kratom... because ill be honest ive lost alot of confidence after my last experience... I started shitingit i had 7 bongs full of tobacco a few days ago as my mind kind of shit its self lol after my last experience... But then i reminded my self that i had some tobacco then i was great lolol... haha i no have a good hahahaha!

drinking your own urine is definitely the #1 way to get the most out of amanita muscaria. but obviously you gotta have quite the day trip planned out if you're gonna be wandering around in the woods sipping drug-piss out of a gatorade bottle...

as far as the "herbal weed" goes, i'd say feel free to give it a shot, but smoke ONLY ONE SMALL HIT and WAIT 30 MINUTES before you consider hitting it again. the synthetic (NOT HERBAL) cannabinoids are incredibly potent and cause panic attacks in high doses. lower doses are almost indistinguishable from cheap weed. also don't roll a blunt from the "shake" at the bottom of the bag-- it's probably 10x more potent than the pinch you first measure out from the top.[/QUOTE

Thanks mate, no-no-no-no-no-no way am i drinking piss sorry mate but thats above my pleasure for highs lol... Haha i love the way you put that!... Can you give me an idea of what you mean by one small hit, how much would you fill the bowl... Wow i didn't no that mate that dust at the bottom... interesting thanks for the heads up.

The weed substitutes you mentioned will contain the same or similar compounds to the cannibinoids that caused your anxiety reaction last time.

Out of all the drugs you mentioned I would say kratom would be most enjoyable for you. It feels like a moderately strong opioid. People often compare it to hydrocodone (Vicoden).

So it was the flipping mean green last time... i wasn't sure because i felt little effects when i smoked the mean green... But when i inhaled my first lung full of agaric mushrooms i felt frigging very high then the nasty bit started... ... Thanks mate ill probably give it ago... i was going too ask for other recomendations but haha!... i better not as aint it against the rules... lol ...

Thanks mate...


And thanks all i really apriceate the help and advice... tbh i dont want too see things more of a relaxing, nice, chilled smoke that i can enjoy say chilling in the garden etc...

Thanks Mike

 

[dgivens1]

Has anyone heard *snip*? It's a water soluable RC and is fully legal. Was wondering anyone's experience on it and if anyone *snip*? Any feedback would be appreciated before *snip*. Thanks!

 

[dg420]

Has anyone heard of the *snip*? It's a water soluable RC and is fully legal. Was wondering anyone's experience on it and if anyone has*snip*? Any feedback would be appreciated *snip*. Thanks!

zero vendor discussion allowed here

 

[StickyChron]

Berry, I was relieved to see that you hadn't been around here for a while and I mean that in the kindest way possible. Your posts scare me a little bit.

I understand wanting to try new things and get an idea of what psychedelics are like, I also understand wanting to stay above the law, but you have to ask yourself...is the risk worth the payoff? Myself and many others on this board would probably agree, you need to either get your hands on some real chemicals or just wait until you feel like you can make a calculated risk and acquire something that would actually give you a good experience. There are lots of things out there that work above the law, just as easily as something called "raz" or "mean greens" that is marketed as legal marijuana...

Getting a panic attack from legal marijuana subs is probably a good indication that you need to be very careful what you ingest/smoke and just because it's pseudo legal, doesn't mean its safe or fun. Often times it means the exact opposite.