[MEGA]Growing advice, tips, tricks and experience: Mark 3

[SpanoonapS]

Oh right right... the cloning question. Thanks :D

 

[Artificial Emotion]

^ Oh I get it, you didn't know I was talking about cloning. I should have made that clearer! Sorry about that.

 

[SpanoonapS]

Its ok.

New question! The last time we fed them was about 9 days ago. We fed them 50ml instead of the recommended 125ml. It appears they still aren't hungry... They haven't yellowed or changed much. Well, they got bigger But is it normal for plants to go such a long time without feeding them so often?

*UPDATE* We just checked on them and they are starting to get a bit yellow. We just fed them. Some leaf tips curl under whenever we feed them... I know that is a sign of overfeeding but if its just a few is it ok?

 

[Treefa]

Ive got alot of a problem

So i planted like 5 seeds in the woods about a week ago, watered and left.
Now since it hasnt rained in a few days i figured id go out to water them.
So i did, problem is tho, when i got where i Thought i planted them, i couldnt find the cleared patch. SO i looked around here and there with lil things i remembered but nothing.
How the fuck am i gonna find em to water em and shit
ps. they havent even sprouted far as i know i havent been out there since they were planted

 

[Prelude2TragedyII]

So i planted like 5 seeds in the woods about a week ago, watered and left.
Now since it hasnt rained in a few days i figured id go out to water them.
So i did, problem is tho, when i got where i Thought i planted them, i couldnt find the cleared patch. SO i looked around here and there with lil things i remembered but nothing.
How the fuck am i gonna find em to water em and shit
ps. they havent even sprouted far as i know i havent been out there since they were planted

Well, first of all, your plant isn't just going to grow 6 - 10 inches in 7 days.
You might want to look at pictures of weed just starting to sprout so you can identify that plant from others, secondly, you should've placed them in a place that you would've remembered yourself, but would be difficult for others to get to.

If you're in a 'jungle area' then your plants should be able to thrive without you watering them for a while... Just continue to look for small plants, and hopefully in another week or so they will be big enough to see, right now, after 1 week, I would imagine them being about 2-3 inches tall, with maybe 1-2 set.

Also,you make sure you know what the cotyledon of marijuana looks like, might help in identifying the plant when you go out to look for them again....

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Also, if you can get indica dominant strains, and you can flower them for 12/12 for about 2-4 weeks, you can place them outside, and many indica dominant strains will continue to flower (which is what I found out accidentally by planting outside in april, one plant flowered fully, so I placed another outside about 2 weeks later, it also started to flower, one plant has fully flowered and finished with 17-18 hours of light a day, and the other is still flowering, not reverting back to veg. And they are not shitty buds either, Ill be posting pics in a bit... But, from what Ive read, and have seen, this is not the same with plants that are sativa dominant, for what ever reason. Do you know what strain you planted? Or did you just take bag seed?


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I should be getting some new pics tonight of the buds Ive been trimming off of my outdoor plant AE, hopefully you'll appreciate them
Plant's looking beautiful, and the buds are sticky as hell, couldn't trim without having to wash my trimmers in alcohol every 3 minutes, lol.

Ended up planting my Master Kush outdoors, It took off and ended up much larger than the rest of my grow room indoors, (Not sure if that was the sativa strain pulling through in that plant, but I bought two Master Kush clones, one is still tiny and the other grew larger than all of the plants in my closet in less than a week.)

Anywho, I got rid of the fungus gnats, the plants are starting to recover, thankfully, ended up using 1 1/2 inch of sand on top of the soil, and water the pots with 1ml of cedar oil to 1/2 gallon. seems to have taken care of the problem, and the plants are doing much better, I also bought new nutrients, I bot the two part Floranova nutrients. Im going to try Fox farms on one half, Flora on the other, see how it works, I noticed Floranova had 3-4 ingredients that Foxfarms didn't have

Still trying to find a way to bring temps down in my closet, been hitting about 75 at night at 85 during the day (and its JUST starting to heat up outside, and still have about 20 degrees of climbing in temperatures to go)


Anywho, hopefully Ill remember to post back with pics of the plants and buds Ive been trimming, thanks for all the help and support with the plants, its much appreciated , hope everything is growing well for everyone

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Also, would a bug zapper work during flowering without causing problems in the 12/12 lighting schedule?
Ive never used them, Ive just been using the yellow sticky papers to monitor how bad the infestation is, and haven't seen any on the new yellow sticky I put up since I sprayed outside my house, covered potted plants with sand and watered with cedar oil. That will only last for so long though, If a bug zapper would work without causing problems that would be an awesome thing to hear (for me anyways)

Also, to Spanoonaps ever else had the fungus gnats, how high above the plant was the paper? I have mine about literally 2 inches from the tops of the plants, and same thing happens to me, every time I water, I see them fly out, Ive added an extra fan to increase air flow and air movement (from what I was told they dont really like that), I covered the tops of my pots with sand, and that seems to have really cut down in the population, but Im worried that there are still larvae feeding off of the roots, as some of the plants are still showing yellowing of the leaves and are showing some deformed growth in some areas.

 

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So i planted like 5 seeds in the woods about a week ago, watered and left.
Now since it hasnt rained in a few days i figured id go out to water them.
So i did, problem is tho, when i got where i Thought i planted them, i couldnt find the cleared patch. SO i looked around here and there with lil things i remembered but nothing.
How the fuck am i gonna find em to water em and shit
ps. they havent even sprouted far as i know i havent been out there since they were planted

I don't think we can help you with that You remind me of the way I was when I first growing. It was just a novelty on the side and I didn't really take it seriously. I had different strains and planted them. Once they grew out and started to look identical as seedlings (shock horror), I got the strains mixed up and never knew which was which or which plant the bud samples came from (bad for the reason I mentioned above). So, be more organized - that's all I can say. I would recommend bringing an electronic device like a smartphone and take a photo. In the exif data it should have the exact coordinates written down if you have that enabled. That way, with a GP you can find your grow in a wooded area.

Just don't make the GPS coordinates available to anyone else or leave it laying around for someone to find!!

By the way, unless your plants are in a south facing clearing, the trees in the woods will block the sunlight, lowering yield by such a lot.

Well, first of all, your plant isn't just going to grow 6 - 10 inches in 7 days.
You might want to look at pictures of weed just starting to sprout so you can identify that plant from others, secondly, you should've placed them in a place that you would've remembered yourself, but would be difficult for others to get to.

If you're in a 'jungle area' then your plants should be able to thrive without you watering them for a while... Just continue to look for small plants, and hopefully in another week or so they will be big enough to see, right now, after 1 week, I would imagine them being about 2-3 inches tall, with maybe 1-2 set.

Also,you make sure you know what the cotyledon of marijuana looks like, might help in identifying the plant when you go out to look for them again....

-edit-
Also, if you can get indica dominant strains, and you can flower them for 12/12 for about 2-4 weeks, you can place them outside, and many indica dominant strains will continue to flower (which is what I found out accidentally by planting outside in april, one plant flowered fully, so I placed another outside about 2 weeks later, it also started to flower, one plant has fully flowered and finished with 17-18 hours of light a day, and the other is still flowering, not reverting back to veg. And they are not shitty buds either, Ill be posting pics in a bit... But, from what Ive read, and have seen, this is not the same with plants that are sativa dominant, for what ever reason. Do you know what strain you planted? Or did you just take bag seed?


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I should be getting some new pics tonight of the buds Ive been trimming off of my outdoor plant AE, hopefully you'll appreciate them
Plant's looking beautiful, and the buds are sticky as hell, couldn't trim without having to wash my trimmers in alcohol every 3 minutes, lol.

Ended up planting my Master Kush outdoors, It took off and ended up much larger than the rest of my grow room indoors, (Not sure if that was the sativa strain pulling through in that plant, but I bought two Master Kush clones, one is still tiny and the other grew larger than all of the plants in my closet in less than a week.)

Anywho, I got rid of the fungus gnats, the plants are starting to recover, thankfully, ended up using 1 1/2 inch of sand on top of the soil, and water the pots with 1ml of cedar oil to 1/2 gallon. seems to have taken care of the problem, and the plants are doing much better, I also bought new nutrients, I bot the two part Floranova nutrients. Im going to try Fox farms on one half, Flora on the other, see how it works, I noticed Floranova had 3-4 ingredients that Foxfarms didn't have

Still trying to find a way to bring temps down in my closet, been hitting about 75 at night at 85 during the day (and its JUST starting to heat up outside, and still have about 20 degrees of climbing in temperatures to go)


Anywho, hopefully Ill remember to post back with pics of the plants and buds Ive been trimming, thanks for all the help and support with the plants, its much appreciated , hope everything is growing well for everyone

-edit-
Also, would a bug zapper work during flowering without causing problems in the 12/12 lighting schedule?
Ive never used them, Ive just been using the yellow sticky papers to monitor how bad the infestation is, and haven't seen any on the new yellow sticky I put up since I sprayed outside my house, covered potted plants with sand and watered with cedar oil. That will only last for so long though, If a bug zapper would work without causing problems that would be an awesome thing to hear (for me anyways)

Also, to Spanoonaps ever else had the fungus gnats, how high above the plant was the paper? I have mine about literally 2 inches from the tops of the plants, and same thing happens to me, every time I water, I see them fly out, Ive added an extra fan to increase air flow and air movement (from what I was told they dont really like that), I covered the tops of my pots with sand, and that seems to have really cut down in the population, but Im worried that there are still larvae feeding off of the roots, as some of the plants are still showing yellowing of the leaves and are showing some deformed growth in some areas.

Excellent advice about cotyledon identification (seed leaf IDs). I remember one hilarious post on another forum where once person, because he didn't know what a cannabis seedling looked like, started coming back with comments like 'is my weed plant meant to be stinging me when I brush it with my hand?'. It turned out that he was in fact growing a nettle! He closed the post himself soon after the piss started being ripped out of him

Prelude, the reason your plant didn't reveg IMO is because you didn't prune it like you would do with a reveg. I wish I could show you in person what I mean as it's hard to describe without diagrams. But you need to remove a lot of the buds for revegging to work properly.

When you trim, make sure to use latex gloves. That way you can put them in the freezer and flake off the resin stuck onto it!!

I am impressed with the fact that you're starting to experiment systematically with one half using x nutrient and the other half y nutrient. It's the only way to cut through all the forum bullshit and marketing ploys.

I've been reading up on Master Kush myself and doing mental imagery of my future potential breeding program using this strain. It's a classic strain, definitely.

No, the type of bug zapper you get in hardware and gardening stores will not cause problems with hermies. I don't care what anyone says about the theory, I'm talking about real world experience here (and not just my own because I was skeptical at first). Higher wattage models may cause an issue but I really doubt it.

If you're worried about the fungus gnats, their arch enemy is neem seed cake (not the same stuff as neem oil). The stuff costs peanuts too, kills off some diseases but feeds the microherd and is an excellent organic fertilizer at the same time. It's awesome stuff. I would use that in combo with the sand personally.

As for the flora nova, you know my thoughts on it I think I would keep it to hydro only because that's what it's designed for. The guys at GHE orignally started to notice the popularity of the 'Lucas formula' in hydro grows and decided to make a feed with a similar NPK value if I'm not mistaken, and hence floranova was born. I urge you to least try a one part organic feed meant just for soil on at least a couple of clones of the same plants (yes they all need to be clones of the same single mum if you're comparing the effect of feeds).

If I could I would send you a bottle of my Biobizz fishmix that I dont need so that you could see the effect it has on the end result when just using this one feed with nothing else in flower or veg (no additives either), but of course you're over the pond so that's a bit hard.

 

[SpanoonapS]

AE you skipped me

 

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Its ok.

New question! The last time we fed them was about 9 days ago. We fed them 50ml instead of the recommended 125ml. It appears they still aren't hungry... They haven't yellowed or changed much. Well, they got bigger But is it normal for plants to go such a long time without feeding them so often?

*UPDATE* We just checked on them and they are starting to get a bit yellow. We just fed them. Some leaf tips curl under whenever we feed them... I know that is a sign of overfeeding but if its just a few is it ok?

Apologies for not answer. I was in a rush.

Yes it's normal since I'm 99% certain you have either a multipurpose or a potting compos which contains nutrient anyway. You didn't start off with a lightmix compost aka a sowing & cutting compost if I'm not mistaken, so there's a level of nutrients that would take a while to become depleted.

However what I would recommend you do is to is water them with plain tapwater (non pH-adjusted) until they once again yellow. Then feed them with 25ml feed. If that doesn't seem sufficient (which is quite likely since it's a low dose but that's the whole point of doing this), increase it by 5ml each feed. If yellowing is very severe increase by 10ml each feed to avoid serious deficiencies interfering with growth too much. This is called titrating the dose in a similar way you would titrate a heroin addict's methadone dose, as an analogy.

Usually less is more IMO.

There is the alternative, and diametrically opposite method of titrating the dose up from the 50ml dose you're using now until you just start to get leaf tip burn and then hold back a bit, but in your situation I would recommend the above method.

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Just a warning about those bug zappers. Research on those devices suggests each time there's a spark, when the bug is electrocuted with the very high volage, a bacterial spray with a diameter of a few metres will shoot out all throughout the room the bug zapper the room is situated on, mainly because of microcopic bug fragments being flung throughout the air at a very high velocity. So if you use one, make some sort of rudimentary shield to protect your plants from this contamination risk. Shouldn't be difficult but is something that needs to be dealt with. Just imagine it spraying out in all directions and put it in a box without a top lid and you should be okay since it will only hit the sides and not go all over your plans. Don't be too paranoid and don't let it put you off these UV bug zappers since they work and work well.

 

[SpanoonapS]

Many thanks.

We fed them 10ml and the tips still curl under a bit. I assumed it was too much so we haven't upped the dosage yet. We checked them this morning and they all appear to be doing just fine. Green and healthy.

 

[Prelude2TragedyII]

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Sloppy job on the trimming, but, the leaves had quite a bit of crystals, figured I'd save them.


And do you know other brands that are organic feed, I have Alaskan Fish fertilizer, lol, all organic, should I try that, I bought it, but never really gave it a go, it was pretty cheap, and smelled like , well...fish poo. lol
Wish I cold find the brands of some of the things you use.


Also, have a small area on two plants that have spider mites, I ran out of the spray I had, was wondering what else would work, since temperatures are rising and there are mites, do you think I should start running my humidifier again, doesn't that help kill spider mites since they burst when too much water is in the air, or am I wrong on that, I forget, anyhow, should I run the humidifier just because of temps anyways?

 

[Vader]

^Looks like you're doing OK with what you've got tbh.

 

[Prelude2TragedyII]

Thank you :D , Ive only gotten to smoke a few bowls (from when I just clipped off a little piece and let it dry to try it out, I liked it, had a nice kick, I'm currently just letting the rest of it cure to keep the smell, smells like fruity pebbles, lol)

But , for outdoor, I can't say it's half bad.
Ive only had bad experience when my buddies used to bring weed they said was "outdoor" and it was always just, blah, probably all in my head, but just feels better knowing that the plant was taken care of and wasn't sprayed with harsh chemicals to kill bugs during flowering.

But anywho, I was just asking about organic as AE keeps trying to persuade me into the organic side of life ( lol ) and from what Ive seen from the grows, organics don't come out bad, I just don't know how to do it , so its worth giving it a shot, see if it works better, or the same, who knows, Im always up to doing something different, always a chance to see something different and learn some new ways.

 

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All good organic feeds have something in common - they stink real bad! Alaskan fish fertilizer sounds good but I can't vouch for it, obviously.

You could spray the plants affected by spidermites with water (one of the only situations I'd advocate doing it).

12 weeks prior to harvest use something like abamectin for spidermites. There are some great miticides available, but the grow stores are usually not the best place to get them in general. Those hydro companies lack transparency with their pesticides and I'm sure you could run a whole documentary on the immoral practices they get up to behind the scenes.

 

[SpanoonapS]

Ok so...2 weeks into 12/12 and our plants are doing great so far. Flowering and flourishing. They are GREEN, man. The most vivid green I've ever seen... fuckin GREEN. The supercropped plant has tons of buds on it, spread all over each individual branch. We will def. supercrop all of them next time. We are REALLY hoping for at least a pound from our 10 plants. Anyway, here are some pics. Enjoy.

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[SpanoonapS]

I hope it isn't silly to hope to get a pound from our 10 plants...

 

[Vader]

That's less than 2 ounces a plant. That sounds like a reasonable expectation.

 

[Transcendence]

Ok so...2 weeks into 12/12 and our plants are doing great so far. Flowering and flourishing. They are GREEN, man. The most vivid green I've ever seen... fuckin GREEN. The supercropped plant has tons of buds on it, spread all over each individual branch. We will def. supercrop all of them next time. We are REALLY hoping for at least a pound from our 10 plants. Anyway, here are some pics. Enjoy.

I started flowering at the same time you did and it looks like it's at the exact same stage of progress bud wise. Most of my plants aren't even close to as bushy as yours though. How tall are yours?

 

[SpanoonapS]

Transcendence - From stem to the top (not the bottom of the pot... from where the stem is coming out of the soil) they are 2ft tall and about 2ft wide.

Vader - What would you expect to yield from something like this - estimate?

 

[Transcendence]

My plants are 3 feet tall but only about a foot wide. Wider plants usually yield more than taller ones right?

 

[SpanoonapS]

3ft from the bottom of the pot?

What strain is it?

We used 1 4ft 8bulb T5 for veg (kept it VERY close to the plants, only above them by a few inches)
and one 1,000W High Pressure Sodium for flower (kept it exactly 12" above them).