The Big & Dandy HPPD Thread

[kittyfairy85]

yes I should have read the entire thread.

I should have read the entire rhread but didn't. I have hade HBW seeds for a couple of months. There are 50. I want to eat them orall yes I know there is a cold water extraction technique. To impaitent. I will be honest I am 5'10 woman. Weigh a little more then I like 160 ibs. How many shouls I eat the first time. Not looking to trip hard. How should I eat them should I chew up to a fine mash and then swallow. I heard something about a sublingual technique where you just hold under yor tounge for 30 min. Or as soon as I am done should just swallow. I am also thing of smokeing a bowl of pot before and maybe after I chew the seeds. Now I have some harmaline extract I could add to that I am talking about the tincture. What do you think overkill on the trip. Would I be headed for barfville. Yes I am scraping all thr green gunk off first. I am running in to a minor problem there seems to be a spot on the seeds where the green will not come off. I am cutting it off. Thats not going to ruin the LSA effects in any way is it.

 

[butterfly118]

Ok so, wondering if anyone else gets this:

Sitting on the toilet and your looking at the tiles, walls, cieling. Everything is moving very slowly and expecially the lines in the tiles will not effing stay straight!! The colors of the floor seem to change hue slightly and the walls too. So weird!!

And things go into weird perspectives, corners of the room and such seem to morph, curtains and such which are completely stationary are moving, expecially the floor

Is this a bad sign? lol


This only happens to me in the bathroom! wtf. Also as im falling asleep I see all sorts of awesome colors and movements and patterns. Great to concentrate on when I have insomnia.

 

[allium]

Is this a bad sign? lol

This is really depends on you and your mind. If you aren't bothered by all these effects, I mean, if they don't make you suffer, then it is alright. I guess if you abstain of using mind-altering substances for long enough time, these symptoms will go away, or at least they will decrease.

But it doesn't mean you should stop taking psychedelics, just be cautious, if your HPPD-like state become worse with time, definitely give your 5-HT receptors a rest.

This only happens to me in the bathroom! wtf.

Maybe when you're sitting in the bathroom, you "zone out" and see visual effects. But when you're in other places, your mind is busy with something else, so you don't notice them. Try staring at the wall, trying to "dissociate" your mind, and perhaps you will realize that you can get into this state in other places too.

 

[PurpleHBwhale]

1) How many times have you tripped?

50+

2) Did you experience HPPD after a bad trip?

No

3) On which substances did HPPD become apparent?

2C-I


RC's can fuck your vision up for years, stick with the clean paper people.

Has any one ever seen the silver glow worms that slowly start to appear everywhere when your sober?

They each appear for about half a second, appear to be at different distances from me, and stays in the same location when I look away (Old ones do not follow if I look away, just new ones appear). Never lasts more than 60 seconds. Starts off with one then works it way up to maybe 30 -50 peaks near the end, then dies down. Happens more when I am stressed, i.e. before a test. But a lot of the time for not reason at all. 1-5 times a month, for around 4 or 5 years.

Other than that I get regular moving shadows, blots of white lights, more often blots of blue light, and confusion between blue and green. The blots are like a colored light filter applied with water color.

All symptoms have only cause confusion and slight panic, now that I am very aware of them they only slightly distract me at times. All symptoms have been most apparent the 2 years following 2C-I usage. I do not mean to belittle people who suffer from serious HPPD, this is just what I have experience.

 

[Lumini]

Tripped 100+ times.
State of trip was irrelevant.
HPPD first became apparent after heavily using DXM.

 

[MushnStuff]

advice wanted

I'm a pretty frequent psychedelic user, having used LSD, Mush, E, and occasionally dmt. A few weeks back, i have since then stopped using most drugs, i had a 'bad' trip. it wasnt so much that the Lsd itself was bad but that I just didnt have fun and caused me a lot of stress. since then, ive been experiencing very mild HPPD-like symptoms that are noticable when i stare, focus, or 'look-beyond' objects. for instance, as i type, the key board and computer screen will have 'breathing-like' motions. I noticed too when i smoked pot a few nights back that the symptoms increases 10 fold.

My questions are these:

1) are these symptoms a result of one L trip, or the accumulation of a lot of use
2) IF i use again, should i expect to see in increase in these symptoms.
3) i'm assuming this is pretty common. no?

 

[dubdubbawobwob]

I've tripped 40+ times and never really had any visuals come back until this morning.
It was roughly 8am and I'd been up for 24 hours. I hadn't taken anything the day before and I was really tired.
I was writing and colors kept coming from the paper and around me. There were mild distortions as well and I felt almost euphoric. Could this be HPPD of any sort triggered from the stress of not sleeping or is it more likely to just be delusions from lack of sleep?

 

[allium]

Could this be HPPD of any sort triggered from the stress of not sleeping or is it more likely to just be delusions from lack of sleep?

Yes, this is entirely possible.
Even normal people(who never used any psychedelics or drugs in general) can get visual distortions when they are tired and deprived from sleep. Unless these effects occur for long enought time and bother you, there is nothing to worry about.

Personally, I tripped ~35 times and developed mild HPPD-like symptoms, and they get worse when I am tired&sleepy.

it more likely to just be delusions from lack of sleep?

Hypnagogia can also play some role in your case.

 

[dubdubbawobwob]

Thanks.
It was distracting, but the visuals and euphoria were nice. It just surprised me because it was only 24 hours without sleep and I have stayed up longer without ever having any HPPD-like symptoms.
Reading that article makes me think that hypnagogia played a significant role in my case

 

[Xamkou]

I see really small neon/UV blue dots and small lightening strikes occasionally. Think it's due to all the Mephedrone I've done in the past 24 months.

 

[sammycook777]

do you recover from this hppd i have had it now for a couple of months it sucks

my eyes are sensitive to light
i see static vision
walls and the sky is especially hard to look at

i fucking hate this shit !!!!

HAS ANYONE HERE HAD IT AND RECOVERED FULLY

 

[DwayneHoover]

I think I get excessive after images and visual snow/static from years of hallucinogen use. But it's not a big deal... if I just ignore it and go on about my business it doesn't seem to matter and my mind seems to just filter it out.

If you keep being really worried about it however, and continually force yourself to "look for it" and get upset about it and are constantly noticing little anomalies and going "Oh my god what is wrong with me oh no oh no!" then you might just be stressing yourself into anxiety over it.

You know the human visual system is not perfect... it is a neurological machine and even with NO substances and NO actual "HPPD" you can force yourself to start noticing various artifacts and shit and then once you obsess on it you force yourself to keep noticing it, because you became obsessed about it and fixated on it. Try to just ignore it and go on about your business and eventually you will be able to let your brain start filtering it out again automatically.

Just R E L A X !

 

[any major dude]

1) are these symptoms a result of one L trip, or the accumulation of a lot of use

No one can say for sure, but the stronger the emotional content of a memory the more neurological pathways it can effect (this is a bit of a gross oversimplification). Note that these changes aren't "damage" just the way in which memories are formed. And like memories, these connections usually fade with time, depending on how frequently the pathway is excited.

2) IF i use again, should i expect to see in increase in these symptoms.

Again, hard to say, some people definitely see an increase in symptoms, but some don't. If the symptoms are bothering you, probably best to abstain

3) i'm assuming this is pretty common. no?

There's really fairly little known about the incidence of HPPD. I've been using psychedelics for a long time now and don't have it. I will occasionally have some visual disturbances for a day or three after a trip, but that's it. Cannabis & d-amph also seem to affect my vision, but they do that to people who have not taken psychedelics as well. I do think that having taken psychedelics makes people more likely to notice these changes though. And if the symptoms are caused by acute drug intoxication, its not HPPD.

You know the human visual system is not perfect... it is a neurological machine and even with NO substances and NO actual "HPPD" you can force yourself to start noticing various artifacts and shit and then once you obsess on it you force yourself to keep noticing it, because you became obsessed about it and fixated on it. Try to just ignore it and go on about your business and eventually you will be able to let your brain start filtering it out again automatically.

Very true, there are all sorts of optical illusions etc that are very similar to visual alterations one gets while on a 5HT2a psychedelic. And there are plenty of visual disturbances that are naturally occurring.

Like I stated above, it is easier to notice these things after one has taken a psychedelic.

One problem I have with HPPD is that few people seem to have significant problems with the visual aspect but, IIRC, according to the DSM-IV (crap i know) HPPD is solely visual. Where most of the distress seems to occur is with the depersonalization/derealization that are often comorbid with HPPD. The former are usually consequent to a negative & frightening experience and in my opinion are probably a PTSD spectrum disorder. PTSD is also known to cause visual disturbances & on occasion true hallucinations.

 

[dimensiontripping]

1) How many times have you tripped? 50+ times
2) Did you experience HPPD after a bad trip? I have experience HPPD after good trips and bad trips
3) On which substances did HPPD become apparent? LSD, DOC, 2C-B (in order of most damaging)

in the fall of 2008 and the spring of 2009, I consumed well over 30 hits of acid, quarter to half ounce of mushrooms, over a gram of ketamine, multiple grams of molly and over a dozen pills that contained mdma as well as mda, i tried 4-aco-dmt, 5-meo-dipt, 4-aco-dipt, dmt, doc, and other things on blotter that were not lsd. I also was smoking marijuana daily multiple times a day throughout the months.

I had begun to get noticeable HPPD in the spring of 2009. I noticed it occurring constantly with the addition of tinnitus. The tinnitus was by far the worst part. I had battled with tinnitus before but have always had it go away after removing the source of the issue (at one time, amphetamines and at other times psychedelics). The HPPD lasted for 6 months.

The worst part of the visual distortions came after polydrug use with mixing amphetamines (mdma, mda) with psychedelics (mushrooms, lsd). The HPPD was never terribly stressful but i took strong note of it. Months later, during a weekend long psychedelic binge, I ate 6 hits of acid and experienced painful tinnitus towards the end. cigarettes greatly reinforced this. A few weeks after this binge, i contracted lyme disease and had to quit using all drugs for an extended period of time.

Months later, the effects of HPPD have completely disappeared. I have continued to use drugs, but in less frequency and less use. instead of orally dosing, I have switched to plugging most of my substances. I don't know if this route of administration has helped my situation or not. But for everyone freaking out, out there. IT GOES AWAY. treat your body with respect. I also never take heroic doses, EVER. taking 6 hits of acid, 60mg of 2c-b, 6mg of DOC has always ended in the drug leaving an aftermark in my vision and overall senses. If you want to trip balls, smoke DMT. don't take double doses of RC's. I have reduced my use to common accepted terms. I take MDMA every 6-12 weeks at 150-250mg plugged and LSD every 3-6 months. I have not had a problem since. No a single visual disturbance in over 2 years since HPPD started.

Major Adjustments that Helped Alleviate HPPD:

Complete Abstinence for Several Weeks to Months (due to severity)
Eating Healthy
Sleeping Healthy
Healthy activities that support positive relationships and experiences outside of drug use

This completely helped eliminate the effects of HPPD. Above all, it was forcing myself not to put attention to it. I stopped searching the internet for cures to my tinnitues, stopped posting for answers on bluelight and eventually everything went away with time and healing.

 

[sammycook777]

Major Adjustments that Helped Alleviate HPPD:

Complete Abstinence for Several Weeks to Months (due to severity)
Eating Healthy
Sleeping Healthy
Healthy activities that support positive relationships and experiences outside of drug use

This completely helped eliminate the effects of HPPD. Above all, it was forcing myself not to put attention to it. I stopped searching the internet for cures to my tinnitues, stopped posting for answers on bluelight and eventually everything went away with time and healing.[/QUOTE]

this gives me major hope that mine will to dissappear if i continue practicing healthy living im going to join a gym again soon and put alot of my focus back into bodybuilding I only took mdma for the first time but had a really bad trip and it left me with this hppd funny you shouldmention the tinnitus because i too suffer this effect since i took the mdma but it is only apparent at night and its reletively quiet

i really want to get my head back together though hope i can make it through this

 

[adamski10]

My Experiences of (what i believe to be ) HPPD

I recently went on a mad one with 250 drops of lsd, i consumed them over about two and a half months, sometimes consuming 15-20 drops on any given night ( the acid wasn't wank either, 2 drops got me tripping breeze first couple of times) AND (i realise how stupid this was, but i had my reasons) i have not quite come down from the last experience, or maybe my experience of lsd as a whole. I haven't consumed any psychedelic drugs (minus my habitual daily cannabis use) since my 'challenging trip'- this was well over a month ago.

It is apparent even know as i look at my curtains, i know that before this i perceived a static image and that now the lines of the pattern run into themselves without moving whilst the whole curtain waves in this indescribable way/ , the colours are brighter and crisper. carpets have an underlying pattern, the edges of the room dance in a slow mesmerising way. Tree branches create kaleidoscopic pattern overlays on the horizon.

My train of thought has remained erratic yet lucid although anxiety and stress effect me more increasing any visual and happiness (when experienced, which is most of the time) is felt all through the body. Moods are generally exacerbated.

My Memory has however suffered greatly, although this recent acid obsession correspond with the trail end of a large (40=50 200mg) ecstasy binge (with many Lucy and Mandy combo nights) and with daily skunk use- cant be avoided i guess- the memory loss has changed tho. Name/Face recollection is shot, short term memory in general, item location have all had a noticeable deterioration. Paranoia relating to the misreading of people's emotions has developed- i believe this is due to a constant slight warping of peoples faces- i am also able to visualise auras of people now, tell there mood from i etc although i haven't perfected this science.

Tactile Sensation can sometimes feel 'too sensitive' like i can everything happening internally (but this may be mind residue from aspects of my challenging trip) but new realms of constant sensation like the wind against my skin etc.

does this sound like hppd? x

 

[dimensiontripping]

My Experiences of (what i believe to be ) HPPD

I recently went on a mad one with 250 drops of lsd, i consumed them over about two and a half months, sometimes consuming 15-20 drops on any given night ( the acid wasn't wank either, 2 drops got me tripping breeze first couple of times) AND (i realise how stupid this was, but i had my reasons) i have not quite come down from the last experience, or maybe my experience of lsd as a whole. I haven't consumed any psychedelic drugs (minus my habitual daily cannabis use) since my 'challenging trip'- this was well over a month ago.

It is apparent even know as i look at my curtains, i know that before this i perceived a static image and that now the lines of the pattern run into themselves without moving whilst the whole curtain waves in this indescribable way/ , the colours are brighter and crisper. carpets have an underlying pattern, the edges of the room dance in a slow mesmerising way. Tree branches create kaleidoscopic pattern overlays on the horizon.

My train of thought has remained erratic yet lucid although anxiety and stress effect me more increasing any visual and happiness (when experienced, which is most of the time) is felt all through the body. Moods are generally exacerbated.

My Memory has however suffered greatly, although this recent acid obsession correspond with the trail end of a large (40=50 200mg) ecstasy binge (with many Lucy and Mandy combo nights) and with daily skunk use- cant be avoided i guess- the memory loss has changed tho. Name/Face recollection is shot, short term memory in general, item location have all had a noticeable deterioration. Paranoia relating to the misreading of people's emotions has developed- i believe this is due to a constant slight warping of peoples faces- i am also able to visualise auras of people now, tell there mood from i etc although i haven't perfected this science.

Tactile Sensation can sometimes feel 'too sensitive' like i can everything happening internally (but this may be mind residue from aspects of my challenging trip) but new realms of constant sensation like the wind against my skin etc.

does this sound like hppd? x

Ya. Sounds like fairly developed hppd. I know from my experience is that for you to really reset, you have to stop smoking pot. I had paused my recovery, which took several months, by not stopping my marijuana consumption. It was not until I was sleeping and living without it that everything came back into focus. If you learned anything from your psychedelic use, you know that being sober is a very valuable trip. Your body and mind will get much better if you just stop smoking pot and don't replace it with something else if you do take a break (opiates, amphetamines etc..)

 

[adamski10]

Ya. Sounds like fairly developed hppd. I know from my experience is that for you to really reset, you have to stop smoking pot. I had paused my recovery, which took several months, by not stopping my marijuana consumption. It was not until I was sleeping and living without it that everything came back into focus. If you learned anything from your psychedelic use, you know that being sober is a very valuable trip. Your body and mind will get much better if you just stop smoking pot and don't replace it with something else if you do take a break (opiates, amphetamines etc..)

See, that in itself is the biggest problem my friend- i've taken many many steps to tackle weed- i know it's an aggravation, but it is also my medicine- i have ADHD and due to my relationship with stimulants, it is my best tool against the noise in my head.

 

[sammycook777]

so guys is there many recovery stories on here ???

 

[allium]

I think not very much, because people are usually bothered by negative changes rather than positive ones. Not many people develop the effects similar to HPPD, and few people develop persisting effects.

Do you have any other mental problems that bother you?

As for me, I developed HPPD-like symptoms, but they become worse with time as I don't stop my use of psychedelics. However, my pattern of doing them is irregular, so HPPD effects lessen during the periods of abstinention.