America's Most Dangerous Pill? [Benzos]

Seems like she just pulled this drug out of a hat.

I call bias.

I'm thinking he had a bad experience with it and didn't know how to taper properly, thought he could drum up a few extra easy dollars writing this over-dramatic heap of unscientific garbage and fear-mongering.
And no "benzo" has been more lethal to millions of Americans than a popular prescription drug called Klonopin.
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If I had to determine the benzodiazapine responsible for the most toxic behavior I'd have to go with powdered phenazepam, or powdered xanax. But most people aren't aware they even exist in large enough numbers to cause a problem, but they certainly do, Jack. By now everyone is familiar with clonazepam making it an easy target and a guaranteed read for every stressful mother who's got some in the medicine cabinet. Lets scare the shit out of these poor people, because they don't have enough to worry about. It's not as if one would have the shit if they weren't prone to anxiety.

Why doesn't he mention SSRI's?

Not only are they by and large notoriously ineffective for what they're prescribed for, but they cause withdrawal issues way worse than benzos (in me, at least).

Even with a slow taper of 5% reduction every 2 weeks, many indivuals still find the alarming WD's to persist for weeks, months, and sometimes years.

I had a 2 year valium/klonopin/xanax habit that was way easier to get off comparatively.

When are people going to stop paying these brainless people to write these terrible journalistic contributions?


I posted an altered version of this on the site. We'll see if it generates any response from the writer, I somehow doubt it.
 
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Klonopin? LoL! This article is a joke.

Klonopin is actually one of the safest benzo's around. A British study found it's fatal toxicity index to be 4.3. Temazepam was found to be the most toxic benzo by far. The British study was corroborated by many other independent studies in Australia, Ireland, Canada, and Scandinavia. All got the same result. In the 1980's and 1990's, temazepam overdoses were more common in Europe, especially the UK, than even cocaine OD's. Alone or in combination with heroin or alcohol.

Temazepam's rate of 11.9 (95% confidence interval 10.9-12.8 range) trumped all other benzodiazepines; a rate which is above that of some tricyclic antidepressants and approximately equal to that of some barbiturates. In contrast, oxazepam had a rate of 2.3 (1.2-3.4 range), alprazolam had a rate of 5.9 (4.8-6.9 range), diazepam 4.0 (2.4-5.6 range), clonazepam 4.3 (2.8-5.8 range), lorazepam 6.6 (5.7-7.5 range), nitrazepam 7.6 (6.4-8.8 range), and flunitrazepam 8.3 (7.4-9.1 range). In addition to the aforementioned benzodiazepines and their fatal toxicity indices, there were more in the study including triazolam, flurazepam, chlordiazepoxide, and bromazepam.
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British Medical Journal

LSDMDMA&9713103 said:
Love in vein, have you never tried temazepam?
define overdose, i "overdosed" on temazepam when i blacked out and apparently popped 20 30mg caps...90mg (which if you dont have a benzo tolerance will have you FUCKED, stumbling/slurring, teh whole 9 yards...) isnt close to overdose amounts...
Flunitrazepam is schedule 3
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ALL benzodiazepines are Schedule IV in the United States. However, penalties for flunitrazepam possession with intend to distribute is treated like a Schedule I. Temazepam requires special prescriptions in a few states. But they are all Schedule IV.

In Canada, all benzo's are Schedule IV.

In the UK, temazepam is Schedule III (but treated like a Class A controlled drug in practice i.e. storage, dispensing, prescription writing format, etc.) and they recently took midazolam out of Schedule IV and placed it in Schedule III (but it doesn't have the restrictions on it that temazepam has). The same is true for flunitrazepam - Schedule III but without the restriction that temazepam has. All others are Schedule IV.

In Singapore, temazepam and nimetazepam are Schedule I - Class A controlled drugs.

Internationally, under the Convention on Psychotropic Substances, a United Nations treaty which includes 175 parties Schedules all benzos under Schedule IV, with the exception of flunitrazepam, nimetazepam, and temazepam which are Schedule III.

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kokaino said:
Zolazepam isn't Schedule III, it's Schedule IV on its own. But it only comes in a formulation with a Schedule III drug: tiletamine.
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true, the combination product

actually (this is weird), zolazepam by itself is unscheduled (see its absence here)

not that I'd take my chances ordering some...
 
so wait then, is tiletamine by itself scheduled? There has to be a thread around here somewhere about that, given tiletamine's popularity.
 
I dont know why the author of this article singled klonopin out specifically as being the most dangerous drug out there...

Benzo's in general can all be extremely dangerous if they aren't taken responsibly or in moderation. Mixing them with painkillers or alcohol can also be deadly especially if all three are mixed. By themselves though I wouldn't say they are the most dangerous drug. Idk I'm no scientist or specialist tho.

Is klonopin the most common perscribed benzo? I don't know much about benzos but maybe if more people get prescribed klonopin than any other benzo more people are going to die from them. Either way you look at it they are said to work very well for those who need them so it's hard to say what is most dangerous if you ask me.
 
LOL @ overdoses and deaths, you'd need like 10 bottles of any benzo to die. Not even that would kill you... If you get a bottle with say 120 pills, you'd probably need over 100 bottles to kill someone.
 
I always read about Xanax being so addictive ....however I can take heroic doses of it days on end and then stop cold turkey with no adverse side effects ...looks like addiction is all in the eye of the beholder
 
^No, no it is not... Remember, these are benzos we're talking about, benzo withdrawal is a well-documented medical danger.
 
Roger&Me said:
Are you seriously trying to imply that benzodiazepines are less addictive than caffeine? Are you out of your mind or are you just plain [edited for civility] stupid?

Benzodiazepine withdrawal is potentially deadly! It can induce seizures among other horrible effects. It is an extensively studied withdrawal syndrome that is recognized by the orthodox medical community, how much more evidence could you possibly need?

The following list of withdrawal symptoms is taken from the wiki article on benzo withdrawal:
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Just for comparison, Wikipedia lists these symptoms for caffeine withdrawal:

A reduction in serotonin levels when caffeine use is stopped can cause anxiety, irritability, inability to concentrate, and diminished motivation to initiate or to complete daily tasks; in extreme cases it may cause mild depression. Together, these effects have come to be known as a "crash".[33]
Withdrawal symptoms—possibly including headache, irritability, an inability to concentrate, drowsiness, insomnia and pain in the stomach, upper body, and joints[34]—may appear within 12 to 24 hours after discontinuation of caffeine intake, peak at roughly 48 hours, and usually last from one to five days, representing the time required for the number of adenosine receptors in the brain to revert to "normal" levels, uninfluenced by caffeine consumption
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Seems much more manageable to me.
 
this article would be much more realistic and effective if it adressed america's pill poppin problem


even in my high school i see kids carrying advils around for any minor headache

head hurts, pop a pill
cant sleep, pop a pill
cant raise your kids, give em a pill
a lil sad, pop a pill

u see where this going
 
LSDMDMA&9709835 said:
^yeah, i had a temazepam script...and i "overdosed" on temazepam and thus dont have the script anymore
(i'm US)
those temazepam 30s seem stronger than any benzo i've ever tried (but ive yet to try xanax, or valium, just ativan klonopin and restoril). a temazepam 30 feels at least as strong as a mg of klonopin, if not 1.5
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135mg of temazepam leaves me in a daze,

but my tolerance is building fast,

i wish my doctor would give me klonopin instead, i want the euphoria not the sleep, does help with anxiety too sorta,
 
pb2003 said:
I dont know why the author of this article singled klonopin out specifically as being the most dangerous drug out there...

Benzo's in general can all be extremely dangerous if they aren't taken responsibly or in moderation. Mixing them with painkillers or alcohol can also be deadly especially if all three are mixed. By themselves though I wouldn't say they are the most dangerous drug. Idk I'm no scientist or specialist tho.

Is klonopin the most common perscribed benzo? I don't know much about benzos but maybe if more people get prescribed klonopin than any other benzo more people are going to die from them. Either way you look at it they are said to work very well for those who need them so it's hard to say what is most dangerous if you ask me.
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Because the article was written by someone who has no idea what he/she is talking about.

Klonopin is actually one of the safest benzo's around. A British study found it's fatal toxicity index to be 4.3. Temazepam was found to be the most toxic benzo by far. The British study was corroborated by many other independent studies in Australia, Ireland, Canada, and Scandinavia. All got the same result. In the 1980's and 1990's, temazepam overdoses were more common in Europe, especially the UK, than even cocaine OD's. Alone or in combination with heroin or alcohol.

Temazepam's rate of 11.9 (95% confidence interval 10.9-12.8 range) trumped all other benzodiazepines; a rate which is above that of some tricyclic antidepressants and approximately equal to that of some barbiturates. In contrast, oxazepam had a rate of 2.3 (1.2-3.4 range), alprazolam had a rate of 5.9 (4.8-6.9 range), diazepam 4.0 (2.4-5.6 range), clonazepam 4.3 (2.8-5.8 range), lorazepam 6.6 (5.7-7.5 range), nitrazepam 7.6 (6.4-8.8 range), and flunitrazepam 8.3 (7.4-9.1 range). In addition to the aforementioned benzodiazepines and their fatal toxicity indices, there were more in the study including triazolam, flurazepam, chlordiazepoxide, and bromazepam.
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British Medical Journal
 
Mr_Fluffykins said:
i wish my doctor would give me klonopin instead, i want the euphoria not the sleep, does help with anxiety too sorta,
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you want a rapidly acting benzo like triazolam or midazolam. Clonazepam for temazepam is switching one intermediate duration benzo for another. Compare the half-lives of these four that I just mentioned:

clonaz 18-50h
temaz 8-20h
midaz 1.8-6.4h
triaz 1.5-5h

Note to whomever: is there a table of benzodiazepine onset times anywhere? My hunch is that intravenous triazolam (HCl) is close to the fastest.
 
NeighborhoodThreat said:
Xanax is worse.

Why did they pick Klonopin?
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Because it's so over-prescribed, and there is such a massive abundance of it on the black market, that it's the benzo that most people are getting addicted to without a prescription.

It just happens to be the one benzo every doctor is so willing to prescribe. That's why. If most doctors were more willing to prescribe lorazepam instead, then they would have done the article on just that.
 
I use Diazepam and Nitrazepam for opiate withdrawal and to be honest both seem pretty feeble. (im UK) They dont seem to be dished out so much here.
 
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