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Opioids weird lack of WDs

DaveTripper

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I recently got caught buying heroin at work (by my dad, nonetheless) and am now being forced to quit (which I obviously, don't want to do). As far as my habit goes, for the past 4 months I've been using about 4 bags of heroin a day, give or take a bag. The last time I used was Saturday night, and it's now tuesday. Besides the restless legs when trying to sleep and the occasional cold-sweats, I have to say, withdrawals really haven't been too bad, at least not as bad as I was expecting them to be. I'm wondering why this might be. I do have a very high metabolism, so I'm wondering if that could be a factor. Or is it just the fact that the worst has yet to come? Any input would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Dave
 
In my experience, the first 3 days of acute withdrawal are the worst with opiates. I do not really have an answer for you. Consider yourself lucky!

Do you take any other substances?
 
it doesnt seem like you have been in the game long enough to experience severely debilitating withdrawals...most people mess around with opiates/benzos for years before they eventually get clean. i'm not trying to say that it will be a walk in the park, but yoou havent been using for that long, and/or you weren;t getting quality shit, ect, ect... it can also depends on your ROA.. IV user will have a harder time than someone who vapes
 
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I hope you guys are right, and no I don't take any other drugs of any sort. Just been taking vitamins, benadryl and tylenol PM to help with the sleep (which hardly does anything).
 
Your dope may not be all that strong/pure, or you may just not be using it frequently enough for yourself to become addicted.

Are you living at home? If so, quit using heroin. It's your dad's house so respect his rules.

If it's your own home, do what you want to as your dad has no bearing over what you do in your own home.

I don't mean to go on a side-rant on my own personal beliefs, but seriously, how would you feel if you had children in your own home, and then they start bitching and complaining about how they can't sit around in your home (not their own) and use drugs for recreational use as they see fit? I'm sure you'd be pissed as hell.

Otherwise, how did your dad catch you? I'm just curious as I don't see how it would have happened outside of his own house.

You should feel lucky it was just your dad who caught you and not a police officer.
 
I experienced the same thing with my oxycontin habit the first time I attempted to quit. I had been using around 80mg, insufflated, per day, for about 4 months, and it really was not that bad at all. I can say to be careful though because in my experience each time you try to quit the WD's are worse than they were last time...anyone else agree?
 
I can say to be careful though because in my experience each time you try to quit the WD's are worse than they were last time...anyone else agree?
I know this is commonly known fact with alcoholism where problem drinkers who have had really bad hangovers before are more likely to get worse hangovers again. Also once someone gets the delirium tremens once they are much more likely to again even on lower amounts. It's like your body is getting sensitized.

I'm not sure if it is studied phenomena coming off opioids or not but I do believe a lot of people say the first kick is the least symptomatic. Someone mentioned in another thread recently buprenorphine working for getting off opiates really well the first time you use it but not so much subsequent times which is likely related.
 
Were you snorting or shooting the dope? That can make a huge difference in how your withdrawals will go. I had friends who quit sniffing H a few years ago and didn't get sick at all. The same friends developed an IV habit and are currently going through huge withdrawals.
 
I recently got caught buying heroin at work (by my dad, nonetheless) and am now being forced to quit (which I obviously, don't want to do). As far as my habit goes, for the past 4 months I've been using about 4 bags of heroin a day, give or take a bag. The last time I used was Saturday night, and it's now tuesday. Besides the restless legs when trying to sleep and the occasional cold-sweats, I have to say, withdrawals really haven't been too bad, at least not as bad as I was expecting them to be. I'm wondering why this might be. I do have a very high metabolism, so I'm wondering if that could be a factor. Or is it just the fact that the worst has yet to come? Any input would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Dave

The worst is not "yet to come," generally (as stated above) heroin withdrawal symptoms peak at around 48-72 hours. 4 bags of heroin a day is definitely enough to experience withdrawal but there are several factors that could dictate the severity:
1) Your body chemistry, overall health, metabolic speed, and degree of physical dependence--the last of which will differ for everybody even if exposed to the same amount of heroin for the same length of time.
2) The purity of the heroin
3) The route of administration
4) The overall time you've been using opiates (not just heroin)
5) How long you would wait been doses

In your case, you hadn't been using too long. Withdrawal is characterized by the body trying to regain homeostasis and if you had only been using for 4 months, it is likely that your body was able to adjust itself fairly rapidly to the absence of heroin.

As mcgrCONTIN said, and I agree, the first time kicking an opiate habit is the easiest for many. At least, it was in my case.

Consider yourself lucky my friend
 
I'm not sure if it is studied phenomena coming off opioids or not but I do believe a lot of people say the first kick is the least symptomatic. Someone mentioned in another thread recently buprenorphine working for getting off opiates really well the first time you use it but not so much subsequent times which is likely related.
I think a lot of it may be psychological. I've heard that people who don't know that opiates cause withdrawal, and go through them, report them to not be as severe as someone who's fully expecting them and knows what's coming. I'm not aware of any studies, though.
 
I recently got caught buying heroin at work (by my dad, nonetheless) and am now being forced to quit (which I obviously, don't want to do). As far as my habit goes, for the past 4 months I've been using about 4 bags of heroin a day, give or take a bag. The last time I used was Saturday night, and it's now tuesday. Besides the restless legs when trying to sleep and the occasional cold-sweats, I have to say, withdrawals really haven't been too bad, at least not as bad as I was expecting them to be. I'm wondering why this might be. I do have a very high metabolism, so I'm wondering if that could be a factor. Or is it just the fact that the worst has yet to come? Any input would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Dave

You know when it comes to withdrawal its all a mental state. Mental state rule so to speak.
If you paint up these big bad pessimistic thoughts that it will hurt so much and youll be in so much agony - then yes you are going for a ride to hell and back.

But if you have a positive mind, try and stay strong and think only positive - then youre half-way home.
I can kind of relate to your story but in my case it has been Buprenorphine(Subutex/Suboxone) I have been using it for 1 year straigt, 4-8mg per day and quit cold turkey (like i always do when its time to quit) and the only withdrawal sign I get was insomnia.

It really depends on a persons psyche.
 
To the OP, you're lucky in 2 cases haha. Number one I would kill to not have bad w/d's like you... I know you still get them but they seem much more mild then what I have experienced and have heard and seen from others. The worst for me was always insomnia and the restless legs&arms.

Number 2 you are waaaay lucky that your pops caught you instead of the law... I've been caught by the rents too tho, it's not fun but it's a lot less sketch than the cops busting ya ha. Anyways I'd take this as a good lesson and learn from it. Maybe this is a good reason to stay away FTP
The dope cause who knows, maybe the next time you face withdrawals they will be much more extreme. Knock on wood but maybe the next time you get caught it won't be the rents and might be the cops! I'm just sayin haha good luck tho yo
 
First of all, thanks for all the replies. Second, whoever said "he probably works for his dad, his dad owns a business, etc.".. Bingo. My dad had recently drug tested me and it came out positive for heroin (or morphine, however that works) so he obviously was keeping an eye on me for the past week. So for some CRAZY reason (providence, i guess) the day i got caught i had a flat tire and i had to have my dad drive me to work. On the way there, he noticed I was doing a lot of texting on the ol' cellular, and probably assumed I was arranging a meet up of sorts. We get to work, we're there for about an hour (during which my phone is constantly blowing up, now i know to keep it on vibrate..) and then i just say, "hey dad I'm gonna run up to the bathroom real quick". So i pretend to do that, and really run outside where my dealer is waiting... and my dad is walking towards his car. I had to motion for my dealer to GTFO, but he's an idiot so he's just waiting there with his WTF face on. My dad instantly memorizes his license plate.. blah blah blah.. I got caught, to put it plainly. Now, I really have no intentions in stopping (i know, I'm an idiot) but he's read up on the symptoms of heroin use, so now i really can't use anywhere where I would come in contact with him or any other member of my family.. which means work, and home. This is a good thing, as it would significantly reduce my usage.

But back on topic... This was my second time trying to kick, and I guess the first few times really aren't "that bad", although I have to say, I did have beliefs that it would be some horrific journey to hell, so I was assuming the worst, and quite relieved to find out that it wasn't that bad. On day 4 of my cleanliness, I have to say that all the physical symptoms have disappeared, besides the odd cold sweat here and there. On the other hand, the depression and anxiety that I had before I started to use opiates has shown it's ugly face once again.. sigh. I wish they would prescribe some type of opiate off-label for anxiety/depression, and taper you down every couple of weeks... Seems like it would work to me... Wishful thinking I'm sure..
 
Your dope may not be all that strong/pure, or you may just not be using it frequently enough for yourself to become addicted.

Are you living at home? If so, quit using heroin. It's your dad's house so respect his rules.

If it's your own home, do what you want to as your dad has no bearing over what you do in your own home.

I don't mean to go on a side-rant on my own personal beliefs, but seriously, how would you feel if you had children in your own home, and then they start bitching and complaining about how they can't sit around in your home (not their own) and use drugs for recreational use as they see fit? I'm sure you'd be pissed as hell.

Otherwise, how did your dad catch you? I'm just curious as I don't see how it would have happened outside of his own house.

You should feel lucky it was just your dad who caught you and not a police officer.

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Withdrawls are generally blown out of proportion by weak minded people who make excuses to themselves to get the next hit. Formor five bag a day user speaking.
 
Withdrawls are generally blown out of proportion by weak minded people who make excuses to themselves to get the next hit. Formor five bag a day user speaking.

Yeah I can agree to some extent... But then you go and mention you have a small 5 bag a day habit. So, to be honest with you, the withdrawals you went thru proabably WEREN'T very hellacious in comparison to a lot of people's habits.

Everyone is different. It is impossible to give a definitive answer when someone asks "what will my withdrawals feel like"? There are so many variables that effects the symptoms, duration, intensity, etc.. Such as length of habit, daily dosage, ROA, frequency of use, quality of gear, prior physical/mental state..
 
Withdrawls are generally blown out of proportion by weak minded people who make excuses to themselves to get the next hit. Formor five bag a day user speaking.

Not true, I've been back and forth from years of successful chipping to down in the hole for 12 years years, been off opiates once for 2 years, 21-23, and a few months here a there.

And I can tell you W/D can be so much different each time depending on so many different factors. And when you been using everyday long enough at high doses and step off fast, it can be completely debilitating like having a severe case of the flue, people have died from opiate WD.

That being said I have never thought of WD as a reason of not quitting, just not quitting "TODAY"(when you got shit that has got to be done).

And I can say that age and length of habit(when you started using first, not since the last time being sobre for any length) plays a big role, when I started using again when I was 24 WD's were worse than when I was 21 even with shorter duration of habitual use(and despite the 2 year hiatus, it didn't reset shit, once I started using again my tolerance and addiction came right back real quick). And now the older I get if I use lets say 100mg of oxy for a week straight I get worse WD's than when I would be doing 200mg of oxy a day for months when I was 16. And I've done it ALL, oxy just my DOC. I like a little oxyM too, but it loses its warmth after a couple days straight, so only like to get it when my tolerance is down and just eno adugh for a few days.

And let me warn you, just stay away from opiates, but if you find you've been using for years and can't stop, you BETTER get good at detoxing if you want to have any kind of career, I am the detox MASTER.

First, taper if you can, even 2 days of using just enough to keep you well before stepping off helps a TON. If I've just been chipping I will usually just treat the symptoms(do your own research), but if I've been binging for a while and don't have the 3 days to detox(which I never do) I rapid detox with naltrexone, stick out the WD until it is getting bad, take the usual regimen to mitigate symptoms 12 hours before dosing naltrexone, then just keeping popping k-pins and valiums until bedtime(only time I take benzos is when detoxing) and right when I am falling asleep take 15mg of naltrexone, then 50mg the next night to make sure I stay clean for a week. If I don't have any benzos laying around I take seroquel to knock myself out.

Sometimes I stay asleep, sometimes I don't, I always end up soaking the bed in sweat like you wouldn't think is possible, but I always feel much better the next day, good enough to work at least.

I got on subs about half a year ago, started trying to quit a couple months ago, but everytime I quit the subs I go out and get something good and have a great week then go back on the subs, really afraid I am a lifer. Sad thing is the magic is mostly gone, it takes a lot of $$$ to really get off, and I love getting HIGH(my wife, been together for 7 years) she can make her shit last(we're co-dependant, either we are both on subs or both getting high), just a little in the morning to get her going, but I'm not happy unless I'm high so I think I might just be stuck on subs, don't get high from them but don't feel the need to do anything more when I am on them, and when I have relapsed it's always been after a couple weeks off the subs, not like it's from the WD.

I'd really like to just keep switching from subs to drugs, but I know I'll end up in the hole again and its been a LONG time since I've been there and I don't want to go back. I was just chipping before going on subs, just couldn't afford a habit anymore, and each time I relapse I keep binging a little long and little longer before going back on the subs). And it's not dose or taper or anything, I almost never do more than .5 and less before stepping off, and I relapse after the WD's are over...don't know what to do.
 
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