4-Aco-DMT: some general questions about setting and guidance

[Korn3x]

my friend and i are each taking 20mg tomorrow. we are going to a scenic spot where there will be water and rafts. there is also the potential that other people could be at this scenic spot who aren't tripping, but i'm pretty sure that we will be able to float away on rafts, or walk to more isolated areas.

will the presence of other people make us feel uncomfortable? or as long as we are able to put some distance between us and them, should we be ok? we'll be arriving to this spot early, hopefully around 8am or so, so hopefully there won't be too much commotion.

also, we will be on rafts, so i was wondering about the safety of this substance and close approximately to water? will we have no trouble swimming? or would it be best to try and just float on our tubes?

how important is music? ive read reports where some people like music, and others saying that they just wanted to get away from electronic things and be in nature. in order to have music with us, we would have to somehow manage to tie on a somewhat waterproof music player to our raft. im thinking its not really worth the trouble?

as far as dosing, what is the best way to avoid nausea? from what i read i should take this stuff on an empty stomach, but will maybe eating a piece of bread or something with it help prevent the nausea? or will this just affect the comeup?

would it be advisable to mix the 4-aco-dmt in water and drink half, and then in 15 mins drink the other half for a smoother come up? or is this going to affect the intensity of the trip?

also, this location is a good bit of a drive away. will i be fully capable to drive home 5-6 hours after dosing?

things i'm thinking about bringing with me are sunscreen, and sunglasses, as it should be pretty bright. are the sunglasses going to "dampen" the visuals at all?

also, if anyone has any other suggestions as to necessary items to have on hand, please chime in. maybe bring a beer or 2 in case we get anxious?

edit: also, will having some kind of small goal include the quality of the trip? ive read that even having a goal of moving locations somewhere can help? we do have the option to float down the river, which would last about 2 and 1/2 hours maybe, altho there's no telling if we'll run into other individuals who aren't tripping, so not sure if this would be advisable and if we should just stay put and isolate ourselves and float?

also, should i be meditating a little before the trip, thinking about what i would like to accomplish or think about? i would like to accomplish some insight about my future, and trying to further motivate myself for excelling in school. or should i just let the trip take me wherever it wants, and i should just try to enjoy the nature that surrounds me?

again, sorry for all the questions. just would like to clarify a few things and have the best potential trip while not endangering my friend or I.

 

[Unelmaporsas]

Well, for me, 4-AcO-DMT felt pretty much like shrooms - best done alone or with some people you are very close and comfortable with. 20mg seems like a good dose, not anything too heavy. I dosed something like 10mg + 10-15mg with some interval, and that was good, though next time I'd just take it all at once. I like to eat lightly something like two hours prior to tripping on shrooms, and bodyload was quite a bit like that with 4-AcO-DMT too.

I don't like to have "goals" while tripping on anything in the sense of things I have to do - rather just surf the wave, go with the flow.. outdoors is great when tripping though, and if you feel like it, do go out. Random people won't have a clue that you guys are tripping, and if they do.. so what?

On the other hand, if you have stuff you want to focus on the trip, meditating on that might work. I find THAT sort of goals helpful.

You should be good to drive in 5-6 hours, this is a quite short acting psychedelic, but don't count on it and make too much plans. Be absolutely sure of you condition before you do.

 

[Unelmaporsas]

Oh yeah and rafting doesn't sound too safe to me, but you have to decide for youself.

 

[Korn3x]

^^
when i say rafting i meant like floating down on inner tubes on a river that's not very fast paced.

here's an example of a calm day: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgEJG8X9mAA

and another one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nq7lsbwKhM

if you search some other vids, you can see it can get quite wild, which is why i'm trying to get there early.

 

[greenmeanies]

IMO i wouldn't want more than 12mg or so to go with public day especially where water is involved. you never know when you'll need to put the trip aside and use your full facilities to drag some idiot out from drowning.

 

[Korn3x]

^^
is there a chance that i would lose control of myself and potentially drown? most of the areas are relatively not too deep, and the water is crystal clear too for good visibility.

i was thinking about maybe even swimming under water a little? or are these kind of tasks going to be too complicated?

and is there anyway you could take a look at my other questions that i have as well?

i would also like to add that ive never done shrooms before, and only done acid once. altho ive had some intense trips off of DXM, and done DMT over 20 times.

 

[superelephant]

i would also like to add that ive never done shrooms before,

I was thinking you should be fine, but this changes things.

Has your friend had any experience with shrooms, or 4-aco?

The first time I dosed shrooms I got a terrible leg cramp and could barely walk...It was a really high dose, but if something like that happened it would probably completely ruin your day. I wouldn't recommend the being in public, far from home thing until you are aware of how this particular substance affects you, all i'm sayin'


This sounds like an awesome idea for a trip setting though.

 

[bunnyhentman]

I've noticed 4-aco-dmt can have a rough come up, and I have seen people get a little squirrely during the first hour. This can include paranoia, heavy body load, panic response, irrationality. If you can hold it together and get through it, the trip evens out and becomes a lot of fun.

I would take it in a quiet place and not venture around people until you are all over the hump. Water seems semi-unsafe, if this is your first time. Especially if anyone is not a good swimmer. I don't think you'd forget how to swim, but you might panic and run into trouble.

 

[greenmeanies]

if you've had experience with acid i'd say 4-aco won't be too much trouble for you. but dealing with OTHER people might become too much work. i'm sure YOU'LL be fine swimming in the water, but depending on how crowded the river ends up you might get sketched out by beer or rednecks in all likelyhood it'll be a good experience, I would just suggest keeping the dose closer to 12-15mg as that's more of a "be outdoors and people-watch" level, while 20mg is pushing "close your eyes and trance the fuck out" level for myself.

 

[Enter Galactic]

Bring water. Especially being in the sun. 4-AcO-DMT makes me dehydrated to begin with, and you will feel great when you purge yourself by pissing anyways (though don't drink yourself to death).

I've never gotten really nauseated from 4-AcO-DMT. There was some body load otherwise, but I didn't feel particularly nauseated.

20mg might be a large dose for your time with it. Remember that it depends on your own body. A weak dose for someone could be a strong dose for someone else. And remember that you can always take more, and you can never take less once you've had it.

4-AcO-DMT definitely has the potential to make you panic. Remember that you're on a drug that will pass and that it's only an effect of the drug, and once you make it past the come-up you will be too happy to panic. Personally I wouldn't want to come up in a public place on 4-AcO-DMT (at least not on 20mg).

 

[Korn3x]

I was thinking you should be fine, but this changes things.

Has your friend had any experience with shrooms, or 4-aco?

The first time I dosed shrooms I got a terrible leg cramp and could barely walk...It was a really high dose, but if something like that happened it would probably completely ruin your day. I wouldn't recommend the being in public, far from home thing until you are aware of how this particular substance affects you, all i'm sayin'


This sounds like an awesome idea for a trip setting though.

my friend has done shrooms prob 10 times.

I've noticed 4-aco-dmt can have a rough come up, and I have seen people get a little squirrely during the first hour. This can include paranoia, heavy body load, panic response, irrationality. If you can hold it together and get through it, the trip evens out and becomes a lot of fun.

I would take it in a quiet place and not venture around people until you are all over the hump. Water seems semi-unsafe, if this is your first time. Especially if anyone is not a good swimmer. I don't think you'd forget how to swim, but you might panic and run into trouble.

we're both good swimmers. is the come-up really that bad if there are a few other people around?

if you've had experience with acid i'd say 4-aco won't be too much trouble for you. but dealing with OTHER people might become too much work. i'm sure YOU'LL be fine swimming in the water, but depending on how crowded the river ends up you might get sketched out by beer or rednecks in all likelyhood it'll be a good experience, I would just suggest keeping the dose closer to 12-15mg as that's more of a "be outdoors and people-watch" level, while 20mg is pushing "close your eyes and trance the fuck out" level for myself.

i really only have a 1 shot deal with this substance. i dont feel like ordering from a vendor, and my summer classes keep me from being able to have any free time. technically i really should be studying tomorrow, but if i dont trip tomorrow i wont be able to trip again for at least 3 weeks or so.

Bring water. Especially being in the sun. 4-AcO-DMT makes me dehydrated to begin with, and you will feel great when you purge yourself by pissing anyways (though don't drink yourself to death).

I've never gotten really nauseated from 4-AcO-DMT. There was some body load otherwise, but I didn't feel particularly nauseated.

20mg might be a large dose for your time with it. Remember that it depends on your own body. A weak dose for someone could be a strong dose for someone else. And remember that you can always take more, and you can never take less once you've had it.

4-AcO-DMT definitely has the potential to make you panic. Remember that you're on a drug that will pass and that it's only an effect of the drug, and once you make it past the come-up you will be too happy to panic. Personally I wouldn't want to come up in a public place on 4-AcO-DMT (at least not on 20mg).

is 20 mg really that intense? and the place isn't super public. like there will prob be like maybe 5 other rafters at max around us that early, maybe even none. i read other reports online of people doing 40mg their first time and having a good experience.

if this isn't the best place or setting, what should we do instead? should we just walk nature trails and hike in the woods maybe?

 

[Unelmaporsas]

Considering that people here compare 25mg to an eight of shrooms in intensity, 40mg is a HUGE dose. Potentially, the setting sounds great - I'd just love to float around and enjoy the sun etc, and could easily do that on 20mg trip if there's not too many people around to spoil the fun. But as stated above, people have different reactions and different natural tolerance. If it's your first trip, maybe some other setting would be better - like chilling out at some peaceful beach spot to see how it hits you and then go rafting when you know you can do it. Swimming and such would propably be no problem, I find that most times while tripping I can easily concentrate if there's something serious that needs to be attented to (like not drowning, lol), but with other people around things can turn a bit chaotic.

 

[bunnyhentman]

we're both good swimmers. is the come-up really that bad if there are a few other people around?

Not trying to be doomy, I think swimming on psychs is absolutely wonderful actually. I do think the comeup on 4-aco can be particularly uncomfortable, although not always. If I was swimming and a heavy body load of the sort I've experienced with 4-aco came on me I would feel pretty weird. And if I didn't know that it would work it's way out of my system it could make me a little anxious.

Just make sure you are mentally prepared in the case something difficult arises -- someone gets stung by a bee, etc. That stuff can make me a little emotional. 4-aco can trigger a flight or flight sensation (mostly flight!) if something bad happens. Maybe designate a quiet spot as a chill out area if it gets to be too much and don't let people go off alone.

I agree that 15-18 seems safer for a first time. Or maybe split the dose over a half hour so it doesn't all hit at once. This sounds like a wonderful time, but be aware of the risks and think through what you'll do if some kind of trouble arises.

 

[Korn3x]

ok so i got up this morning at 8 and embarked out with my friend. there were a lot of people that were floating around us, but we kind of separated ourselves somewhat from them when we took our doses (20mg each).

i can't even begin to explain how beautiful and amazing the experience was. it was was like pure epicness. the comeup was a little intense when there were a bunch of people around us, but i didn't find it to be bad at all. the people were merely just objects floating by, and it was nice seeing different people as we journeyed down the river.

the closed eyed visuals were pretty intense at first, and we were both tripping pretty hard. i'll definitely have to write a detailed trip report about the whole experience, maybe later tonight.

i'm still speechless as to how purely positive the trip was. everything went perfectly. this has to be the best thing ever invented for sure. the DMT-like visuals were also very enjoyable. look for a trip report coming soon. i'll try to describe everything as best as i can, but it's still going to be almost impossible to convey the emotions, feelings, and experiences that me and my friend encountered while journeying down the river, to the readers 100%.

this would definitely have to be one of the best days of my life.

 

[superelephant]

ok so i got up this morning at 8 and embarked out with my friend. there were a lot of people that were floating around us, but we kind of separated ourselves somewhat from them when we took our doses (20mg each).

i can't even begin to explain how beautiful and amazing the experience was. it was was like pure epicness. the comeup was a little intense when there were a bunch of people around us, but i didn't find it to be bad at all. the people were merely just objects floating by, and it was nice seeing different people as we journeyed down the river.

the closed eyed visuals were pretty intense at first, and we were both tripping pretty hard. i'll definitely have to write a detailed trip report about the whole experience, maybe later tonight.

i'm still speechless as to how purely positive the trip was. everything went perfectly. this has to be the best thing ever invented for sure. the DMT-like visuals were also very enjoyable. look for a trip report coming soon. i'll try to describe everything as best as i can, but it's still going to be almost impossible to convey the emotions, feelings, and experiences that me and my friend encountered while journeying down the river, to the readers 100%.

this would definitely have to be one of the best days of my life.

Glad you had a good time man, told you that setting would be awesome

 

[Korn3x]

^^
yes, it was pure bliss. i don't know if i'd like to do it anywhere but there again. the constant change of scenery of how the plants around the bends of the crystal clear river looked was so captivating. the clouds, the water, and all the animals and insects we observed were breathtaking.

 

[duanomatic]

I've noticed 4-aco-dmt can have a rough come up, and I have seen people get a little squirrely during the first hour. This can include paranoia, heavy body load, panic response, irrationality. If you can hold it together and get through it, the trip evens out and becomes a lot of fun.

I would take it in a quiet place and not venture around people until you are all over the hump. Water seems semi-unsafe, if this is your first time. Especially if anyone is not a good swimmer. I don't think you'd forget how to swim, but you might panic and run into trouble.

Good call. I only tried about 15mg, and i was home alone. The first hour was a little touch and go. But as soon as I hit the second hour or so, it was all good from there. I put on some good trance and had a good mind trip. A few visuals, not much though.

 

[duanomatic]

ok so i got up this morning at 8 and embarked out with my friend. there were a lot of people that were floating around us, but we kind of separated ourselves somewhat from them when we took our doses (20mg each).

i can't even begin to explain how beautiful and amazing the experience was. it was was like pure epicness. the comeup was a little intense when there were a bunch of people around us, but i didn't find it to be bad at all. the people were merely just objects floating by, and it was nice seeing different people as we journeyed down the river.

the closed eyed visuals were pretty intense at first, and we were both tripping pretty hard. i'll definitely have to write a detailed trip report about the whole experience, maybe later tonight.

i'm still speechless as to how purely positive the trip was. everything went perfectly. this has to be the best thing ever invented for sure. the DMT-like visuals were also very enjoyable. look for a trip report coming soon. i'll try to describe everything as best as i can, but it's still going to be almost impossible to convey the emotions, feelings, and experiences that me and my friend encountered while journeying down the river, to the readers 100%.

this would definitely have to be one of the best days of my life.

Excellent man, glad you had a good time!!

 

[Enter Galactic]

Good call. I only tried about 15mg, and i was home alone. The first hour was a little touch and go. But as soon as I hit the second hour or so, it was all good from there. I put on some good trance and had a good mind trip. A few visuals, not much though.

I find it funny how many people don't get good visuals from 4-AcO-DMT. It's extremely visual for me, and I have heard other people say that it gave them the best visuals they've ever had at 15mg.

 

[duanomatic]

I find it funny how many people don't get good visuals from 4-AcO-DMT. It's extremely visual for me, and I have heard other people say that it gave them the best visuals they've ever had at 15mg.

Yeah, i keep reading that. I'm not an experienced tripper, but from the 10 times or so i've tripped, most have been from lsd, and that's the only thing that gave me crazy visuals. 4-aco-dmt gave me a little bit of tracers and the tall grass in my backyard began to vacillate, but other than that, i had nothing. But a good introspective state and the bass on music was f!@#ing amazing.