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Music Moderators: deficiT
why men make music?
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I'm just wondering why you're attributing so much complexity to this 'jump up dnb'. The drums are quite fast, which could give the impression of complexity. But personally I hear the same aspects as in many other genres of electronic dance music and even pop music.
In that last track you posted, I hear a drum beat, a bassline, a repeated vocal sample and some eery sounding ambient synths every now and then. The track repeatedly alternates between about two or three different drum beats for the duration of the track. I don't see these changes as making the track "complex" though.
In regards to complexity, you could have as much going on as you want in a track; that doesn't mean it's going to sound musical or pleasant. So there's only a certain amount of stuff that you can have going on in a track. You could also have lots of changes in the track, but once again, there's only so many changes you can have in a track before you confuse the listener, or make it sound un-progressive, or defeat the purpose of it being a single track.
Also, more males than females making music in the genre may have something to do with the aggressiveness of the music, or perhaps the aggressiveness of the scene itself. A comparison could be drawn to heavy metal; which I know definitely has female fans, but it seems to have a lot of males making the music (I wouldn't know though, I don't listen to metal).
I don't disagree with your sentiments in making the thread though. It is an interesting topic. I do believe there generally are differences in male and female brains. The only problem though, is that there are always exceptions to the rule. For instance, there are females who have male-style interests and pursue commonly male-dominated professions (like IT, engineering, maths, or rocket science.) So one would think that there would certainly be females who can appreciate and make 'jump up dnb'. I mean, it's not rocket science bro.
In that last track you posted, I hear a drum beat, a bassline, a repeated vocal sample and some eery sounding ambient synths every now and then. The track repeatedly alternates between about two or three different drum beats for the duration of the track. I don't see these changes as making the track "complex" though.
In regards to complexity, you could have as much going on as you want in a track; that doesn't mean it's going to sound musical or pleasant. So there's only a certain amount of stuff that you can have going on in a track. You could also have lots of changes in the track, but once again, there's only so many changes you can have in a track before you confuse the listener, or make it sound un-progressive, or defeat the purpose of it being a single track.
Also, more males than females making music in the genre may have something to do with the aggressiveness of the music, or perhaps the aggressiveness of the scene itself. A comparison could be drawn to heavy metal; which I know definitely has female fans, but it seems to have a lot of males making the music (I wouldn't know though, I don't listen to metal).
I don't disagree with your sentiments in making the thread though. It is an interesting topic. I do believe there generally are differences in male and female brains. The only problem though, is that there are always exceptions to the rule. For instance, there are females who have male-style interests and pursue commonly male-dominated professions (like IT, engineering, maths, or rocket science.) So one would think that there would certainly be females who can appreciate and make 'jump up dnb'. I mean, it's not rocket science bro.
Oxycondone
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Furthering on from what Rated E posted, I think there is a difference in demand for certain jobs and professions for Males and Females. Engineering, IT, mining and Mechanics are examples of very Male dominated roles and Nursing, Airplane Hostess, Vegans/Vegitarians and secretaries are very Female dominated roles.
With more numbers in a role it is a lot more likely to get people who excel. So if only 5% of the electronic music industry is comprised of Females it would make sense that you only get a select few Female electronic producers.
With more numbers in a role it is a lot more likely to get people who excel. So if only 5% of the electronic music industry is comprised of Females it would make sense that you only get a select few Female electronic producers.
just because someone has spent hours making sure they have editied their breakbeat slightly different every bar to "impress" people doesnt make it more complex or superior than other music. Creativity is complex, brains are chaotic and complex, therefore most music is pretty complex.
There have been plenty of great female electronic producers tho, but probably the biggest reason there is such a difference in gender balance of muscians in electronic music is because its not as socially acceptable. I know hardly any girls that have downloaded some software and had a play about with it, even if they love electronic music, most blokes I know have had atleast had a mess about with some music software. However I know plenty of girls who have learnt to play an instrument at some point.
There have been plenty of great female electronic producers tho, but probably the biggest reason there is such a difference in gender balance of muscians in electronic music is because its not as socially acceptable. I know hardly any girls that have downloaded some software and had a play about with it, even if they love electronic music, most blokes I know have had atleast had a mess about with some music software. However I know plenty of girls who have learnt to play an instrument at some point.
^ Quite a few dj's produce their own music to
Like Lisa Pinup.
...not what I meant buddy.
Essentially a DJ is someone that plays music.
Outside of the super serious dorkland of electronic music snobs there are a number of women that are very deeply involved in making music.
I see little or no gender bias there.
:D
The OP might be a fool not to realize that. Or, he may be from Lebanon or some other socially backward country.
DOB
Bluelighter
for all of you that think my last example wasnt complex then...
JUDGE THIS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kuf-AlkTiJo
JUDGE THIS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kuf-AlkTiJo
DOB
Bluelighter
1 editing slightly breaks is zilion times harder and more complex than slightly editing anything else
2 it dont makes it superior,becose that comes to personal taste but on grand scale the dnb is most complex,hardest edm genre to produce
3 thats just totaly not truth that girld arent socialy acceptable as dnb producents
DOB
Bluelighter
I'm just wondering why you're attributing so much complexity to this 'jump up dnb'. The drums are quite fast, which could give the impression of complexity. But personally I hear the same aspects as in many other genres of electronic dance music and even pop music.
In that last track you posted, I hear a drum beat, a bassline, a repeated vocal sample and some eery sounding ambient synths every now and then. The track repeatedly alternates between about two or three different drum beats for the duration of the track. I don't see these changes as making the track "complex" though.
In regards to complexity, you could have as much going on as you want in a track; that doesn't mean it's going to sound musical or pleasant. So there's only a certain amount of stuff that you can have going on in a track. You could also have lots of changes in the track, but once again, there's only so many changes you can have in a track before you confuse the listener, or make it sound un-progressive, or defeat the purpose of it being a single track.
Also, more males than females making music in the genre may have something to do with the aggressiveness of the music, or perhaps the aggressiveness of the scene itself. A comparison could be drawn to heavy metal; which I know definitely has female fans, but it seems to have a lot of males making the music (I wouldn't know though, I don't listen to metal).
I don't disagree with your sentiments in making the thread though. It is an interesting topic. I do believe there generally are differences in male and female brains. The only problem though, is that there are always exceptions to the rule. For instance, there are females who have male-style interests and pursue commonly male-dominated professions (like IT, engineering, maths, or rocket science.) So one would think that there would certainly be females who can appreciate and make 'jump up dnb'. I mean, it's not rocket science bro.
I dont atribute complexity to jump up dnb,jump is the most simple dnb genre yet not single girl on earth produce it.
what aspects are you talking about that you in other genres?
alot dnb is very peacfull and friendly,like Liquid dnb yet none women producers there,that thing with aggresion is simply not true
also you think that Ruckus ( Kryptic Minds remix ) wasnt that complex,show me a production from women that have more complex drum patern and layering
DOB
Bluelighter
I see one thing is going to happen,the first is that you will try to make look dnb as simple music and then tell something that isnt true why no women makes it
DOB
Bluelighter
why is this retarded and why I am asshole?
if you are women,then I let me tell you I like women,I think they are so much better than men in so many things but this one single small area,the dnb is interesting becose how extreme sausage fest it is,I just want to hear your opinions about this
CoffeeDrinker
Bluelighter
The thing with DNB, as cool as that beat is, it's just basically James Brown's Funky Drummer sped up. Once the first person did it the rest of the producers doing it weren't any more creative than that.
JoJo Mayer did something awesome by actually learning how to play those beats, now HE'S doing something a zillion times harder than any producer, male or female.
You're saying you can't date someone who doesn't like DnB?
BTW Noisia "The Tide" was a fucking AWESOME track. +1
JoJo Mayer did something awesome by actually learning how to play those beats, now HE'S doing something a zillion times harder than any producer, male or female.
You're saying you can't date someone who doesn't like DnB?
BTW Noisia "The Tide" was a fucking AWESOME track. +1
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DOB
Bluelighter
dont hate me but you obviously know nothing about dnb
thats like saying "The thing with cars,as cool as that engines are,its just basicly wheel from that man that invented wheel just sped up"
for someone who saw car once on picture,it may seem like truth but if the person got anywhere near 20 meters close to real car or driver in one before he will.. how would I say it nicely... not agree
DOB
Bluelighter
not that I cant,I dont want
I like JoJo,yer he is doing someting zilion times harder physically that your average producent,that doesnt mean he is better than any PC artist
StarOceanHouse
Bluelight Crew
we get it, dob, your preferred genre is the git-hardest to make which makes you awesome and anybody who disagrees knows nothing about dnb and any examples people provide to demonstrate otherwise are not complex enough. that about sum it up?
how one even begins to measure some of the claims you make is beyond me. can you back up your 99.99% figure with any substantiation or is my assumption that you pulled it out of thin air correct?
dropsonde is correct - this electronic dick-sizing is retarded.
alasdair
how one even begins to measure some of the claims you make is beyond me. can you back up your 99.99% figure with any substantiation or is my assumption that you pulled it out of thin air correct?
dropsonde is correct - this electronic dick-sizing is retarded.
alasdair
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Because women are socialized differently than men are. Western culture strongly sends a message that women are inferior to men when it comes to technical things like producing electronic music. It's the same reason why people think of nursing as a women's job, and machining as a man's job. Because there is this unspoken assumption in Western society, that men are better at those kinds of things. Many people internalize that belief when growing up, and act accordingly.