Stimulants Very strange amphetamine comedown, psychosis?

[Therealsnafu]

Hi, I'd like to preface this by saying I'm a very experienced drug user. In my younger days I tried everything at least once. I am a recovered heroin addict. (sober 5 years 2 months)

I only smoke and drink beer occasionally now, until the other day. I obtained a bottle of 50 adderalls (20mg IR) that were "expired" and were being thrown away. To my understanding expired medication really only means some of the drug may have decomposed or whatever.. I wasn't really worried about it giving me ill effects.


Before I go on you should know that I have done my fair share of meth, amps, and ritalin, I even had a pretty bad habit of speedballing meth/black tar heroin for awhile and would stay up for 5+ days. I have also experienced amphetamine psychosis before (or at least I think...) The weird part about that is it was RITALIN that caused it, which is not an amphetamine?

I remember going on a ritalin binge (this was over 10 years ago, so the details have faded) for a couple days. I don't remember if I ate or slept. The only thing I DO remember is taking my last dose. I can't remember if I was coming up or coming down, but I remember having an irresistable compulsion to lay down on my bed. As soon as my head hit the pillow BOOM! I had NO IDEA who I was, where I was, WTF was going on. I was on my bed seriously freaking out because I had no idea where the fuck I was. At the same time objects in my room morphed into distorted animals and shadows enveloped the ceiling and were dancing around in a circle, almost chanting at me. Then it stopped, instantly. The whole thing lasted maybe 30-40 seconds and the entire time I was freaking out. I have never experienced anything like this on meth binges of 5+ days without sleep.



Anyways, on to my question: The other day I went on a little adderall binge. I took 200mg (IR) over the course of 25 hours. It was about 4 doses of 50mg every 6 hours, half were snorted, the rest eaten. I have not taken adderall in years so I had ZERO tolerance. (I realize this is a very high dose to take without tolerance)

The tweaking was fine until I started to come down the next night. The come down was actually not that bad at all... I remember them being worse...
until some weird ass shit started happening

about 4-5 hours after my last dose, just before I started coming down, I was simply sitting in my computer chair. I readjusted my position (went to cross my legs indian style in my chair) when all of a sudden my entire left calf muscle instantly seized up into a massively painful cramp. It was like a charlie horse x1000. I was almost screaming, more so out of suprise and shock than out of pain. I've never had a cramp this extreme so it scared me at first. It only lasted about 10 seconds, but my leg was sore all night, and I think it really threw me off when I started to come down. I thought it was just me being dehydrated or lack of minerals or something, so I drank water and took vitamins.

10 hours after my last dose I was really coming down. I drank 4 beers in a rapid succession and took a tiny hit of pot (like 1/4 of a bowl, I was broke D
This really eased my comedown a lot... until I decided to masturbate as I waited for sleep to come on (I was getting tired at that point).

As soon as I had an orgasm I had a head rush, as if I had just taken another line of amps. I had the body high, I could taste the drip, everything. I was no longer tired and couldn't feel the beer anymore - at all. I was full blown speeding again. This is when it gets weird.

As this "invisible" rush hits me, I start to hallucinate. I was already having minor sleep deprivation color distortions, seeing those pesky flys dart through my vision, flashes of light, etc... but I started having hallucinations I have never experienced through sleep deprivation. I layed down and turned off the lights because I was uncomfortable and wanted to try to sleep. I had the TV on, but I couldn't make sense of it at all. As I lay there I was having INTENSE tactile hallucinations, stronger than I have ever had on LSD, mushrooms, or DMT. I remember thinking I was going insane because I kept having very very strange thoughts.

I don't remember how long it lasted (it was at least 1-2 hours long), and I don't remember going to sleep.

Do you guys think this is just sleep deprivation?

I had only skipped 1 night of sleep, and in my experience sleep deprivation really kicks in after the 2nd night of no sleep.

Could it have been amphetamine psychosis?

Also, would masturbation somehow cause the high to come back? or did the alcohol suddenly wear off? (it had been 2-3 hours since I drank)

And what was up with that intense leg cramp? Was it just dehydration? (I probably drank about 80oz of water during the binge)

Thanks for any answers or advice in advance

 

[Urgez]

i don't know if this is considered a speculative thread(?), but some thoughts either way:

Do you guys think this is just sleep deprivation?

I had only skipped 1 night of sleep, and in my experience sleep deprivation really kicks in after the 2nd night of no sleep.

Could it have been amphetamine psychosis?

in my experience, sleep deprivation generally makes bad things worse, even a single night's worth. but its not the only thing that caused that experience, you did a shit load of amphetamines with effectively no tolerance. you just got one of those ill-never-get-that-side-effect effects lol

Also, would masturbation somehow cause the high to come back? or did the alcohol suddenly wear off? (it had been 2-3 hours since I drank)

masturbation is frankly a tool bestowed upon us to get high for free, no? i generally have my most intense orgasms on adderall (more so after smoking weed). add in the magnitude of your consumption, id accept that it could have caused the second-wind tweak you experienced. i've also had sudden crashes from beer comas, so thats not out of the question. its also a possibility that the combination of substances + adrenaline + yummy endorphins sent your heart rate skyrocketing, perhaps tricking you into a perception of speeding?

either way, psychosis probably explains most of it IMO

And what was up with that intense leg cramp? Was it just dehydration? (I probably drank about 80oz of water during the binge)
Thanks for any answers or advice in advance

that happens to my foot, toes especially. try some magnesium supplements. multi vitamins are essential!

 

[socalpopper]

i had the same thing with ritalin. i was up for five days on it, and i came home and didnt know what was going on! like i forgot i had ever taken any drugs and i thought someone had drugged me! i think a lot of it has to do with sleep deprivation. cuz that night i slept so well when i finally stopped taking ritalin. ive hated the shit since.

 

[socalpopper]

oh and the leg cramp is prolly because speed causes your internal body to heat up, so there wasnt that much blood in the leg, so it cramped up. its happened to me before too.