First Time 2C-E?

[DiZzyBonne]

So I'm about to get my hands on some 2C-E, and I plan on tripping with my friend. I'm pretty experienced with psychedelics, but my friend has only tried weed - he's an avid smoker who does it on the daily. So I guess here's my question to you. I can't find any LSD in my area at the moment, and since I'm going to be getting the 2C-E, I want to trip with him. Would a dose of 10 mg for him be fine for a first time? I plan on taking around 15-20 mg, probably 18 mg.

Thoughts?

 

[Solipsis]

To get a taste I don't see why 10 mg would not be good, but for yourself I think 15-16 mg is enough to see if you react normally to it. If you turn out to be sensitive on it, 18 mg could be pretty strong. And you have to keep an eye on your friend, so I'd sacrifice something for that if I were you.

Though before you even start with this, use liquid / volumetric measurement to take 1 mg a few days before to see if you do not have the batch that is actually bromo-dragonfly. Seriously you do NOT want to overdose because of that!!! And it will only cost you 1 mg. Probably nothing will happen but if you turn out to very noticeably trip on that, say you're sick at work or whatever and sit it out - it lasts for a long time.

 

[Myshkin]

I'd go for 10-12mg for a first-time dose, personally; even for someone experienced with other psychedelics. 2 C-E has a unique character and can surprise you even if you're experienced in other sunstances.

Having said that, 15mg will be fine and will certainly give you the full picture. Just be sure to follow Solipsis' advice on test dosing. I love Bromo-Dragonfly but the thought of anything above 1.5mg is terrifying, not to mention in all liklihood lethal.

 

[Transform]

Don't be worried about it being underwhelming, at 8mg oral I found the visuals were very intense, but the psychedelic headspace was minimal, ideal for someone new but also very good fun for someone more experienced.

 

[DiZzyBonne]

Alright thanks! Yeah, I was a little worried about the whole possibility of it being Bromo-DragonFLY, good idea!

Also, as for liquid dosing, what's the best way to go about doing it? I don't have a scale, so I guess I'm forced to dissolve all 250 mg into a liquid. This is how I think it should be done, let me know if I'm wrong.

Grab all 250 mg of 2C-E and dissolve it into X amount of mL of a liquid - I hear vodka works wonders.

Now for my questions.

1) Does any brand work? Can I use Smirnoff 100 proof, the blue bottle? Would I be better off with the red bottle which is 80 proof instead of the blue one?
2) What's the optimum ratio mg:mL ratio? I'm thinking of doing 1:1, so I'd be dissolving all 250 mg into 250 mL of whatever liquid I choose.
3) What's the best method to store the liquid in once the 2C-E has been dissolved into it? I obviously don't plan on ingesting all 250 mg of the 2C-E within a month, so I'd like it to be able to last me quite some time.
4) I guess question 3 and 4 go hand-in-hand, so I guess the better question is, what's the optimum ratio for long-term storage?

Thanks!

 

[lovetreez]

I just came up on 2ce about a week and half ago and i LOVE it, and think it's truly helped me think logically and outside of the box about my life problems, rather than emotionally. I've snorted maybe 3 mgs, and the day after orally took about 6, and today took the remaining 4 today. Ver. enjoyable I would say it makes normal life more pleasing, or just content to be in. I'm definitely taking a break now though. I have noticed slight headaches and just tires you out really.

 

[PROZ4C]

Don't be worried about it being underwhelming, at 8mg oral I found the visuals were very intense, but the psychedelic headspace was minimal, ideal for someone new but also very good fun for someone more experienced.

Interesting

I need a break from head-fuck kind of trips, sounds like I need to try out 2C-E I just wouldn't know which RC suppliers are legit or not.

Wish bluelight had just polls or something or source reviews, seems like it would fit the label of "harm reduction"... but o well...

 

[Transform]

1) Any brand is fine, the alcohol is mainly to prevent bacterial growth and aid solubility.

2) There is no optimum concentration of the solution, whatever's easiest for you to store whilst still being able to measure accurately.

3/4) A cool, dark environment is best for storage. Freezers are good, as solid solutions are less likely to cause degradation. 70 proof will freeze completely in a home freezer, 80 will not.

@Prozac: check www.safeorscam.org. I've little doubt that the lack of headfuck only comes at the lower doses, but as I said they are no less enjoyable.

 

[DiZzyBonne]

While searching around, I found this:

Be advised that with very small volumes of solvent evaporation becomes an increasingly significant problem.

If at all possible, I would really try to stick to 1,2 or 5 mg/ml - 10 if you must.

Remember to make your alcohol content at least 20% or 40 proof.

So does that mean, say, a 1 mg/10 mL has a higher chance to evaporate than 1 mg/1 mL?

Another question, should I do only alcohol, or a mix of alcohol and water? What's the pros and cons of each?

Lastely, what should I store it in? Perhaps you can link me to a picture or a website for an optimum container?

And thanks!

 

[Transform]

A more concentrated solution (higher mg/ml) will evaporate as quickly, but a small change in volume could mean a large change in concentration.
A 10mg/ml solution has a higher chance of becoming less accurate by evaporation than a 1mg/ml solution.

Vodka is a mix of alcohol and water already, it's not really necessary to add any more though.

Store it in anything, a brown glass bottle is ideal, especially if it looks like a medicine bottle as it is less likely to be mistaken for vodka/water which someone could drink.

 

[DiZzyBonne]

Thanks for all your replies!

 

[DiZzyBonne]

Another small question, when I take the small 1 mg tester dose of 2C-E, how will it affect my tolerance?

Thanks again! :D

 

[Transform]

Not at all.

 

[brueright]

Enjoy! 2c-e was my first psychedelic experience and it was overwhelmingly positive. I think 10mg is a good call for your friend and 15-20 sounds great for you (assuming you're not supersensitive to psychs in general).

You might want to break it up into two doses about 30 minutes apart in order to reduce nausea. When I go above 20mg I sometimes get pretty annoying nausea for a while.

 

[DiZzyBonne]

So the date has finally come, we're going to do it this Saturday. The thing is, I really feel like giving it a go tomorrow on a smaller dose, like 10 mg or so, then on Saturday take around 15.

I guess my question is, since I'm not new to psychedelics, will my first time be special? For example, my first time on acid was very memorable as I did it with a group of friends. Now, since I have quite a history of tripping under my belt, roughly 95% of my trips being on acid, will my first time on 2C-E be "magical" like that as well?

Also, if I DO happen to take it tomorrow, and I do a 1 mg allergy test first, would I be fine if I took the 10 mg roughly 2-3 hours after the 1 mg dose? Will that 1 mg affect my trip at all?

Lastly, will the tolerance be gone from tomorrow (Wednesday) to Saturday?

Thanks!!!

 

[shishigami]

You might have a bit of tolerance on Saturday. And I would wait at least 4 hours before taking the 10 mg dose. Some substances can have quite long comeup times (DOx for example) and you just want to make sure. You don't want what happened with STP in San Fran to happen to you too.

 

[Penthos]

I found low-dose 2C-E (ie, less than 10mg) to feel almost identical to low-dose LSD. So for trying it out before plunging in I'd say you won't miss any "magic" for your 15mg endeavour. Trust me there is a world of difference between sub-10mg and over-10mg (at least for me).