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My seven principles of psychonautics

^agreed.

And peoples responses to both individual experiences & specific chemicals are so variable from instance to instance it makes absolute statements like that not only irrelevant, but potentially stifling to personal growth, and research efforts, both academic & underground.
 
I think your intentions are good, but you should try out some psychs before making a strict guideline about them to follow.

for me words like "never" "always" "absolute" and "complete" which you have been using alot don't really go well with the psychadelic experience, for me psychs have been all about realizing the relativity of all things.

One thing I want to warn against is having too high expectations for psychs, especially your first shroom trip coming up. When I first did shrooms it was not a spiritual lifechanging experience even though I wanted it to be, It wasnt until my second and third trips that I really learned alot about my life.

Overall I would recommend thinking a bit less and doing a bit more, In other words these rules are kind of arbitrary if your not actually in the situation of taking psychs 2 weeks in a row.

tldr: My Advce: Dont build so many expectations and rules about tripping, just go out and eat some mushrooms in the woods, that will be enough.
 
cryptix420 said:
jesus thank you im glad someone said it
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He certainly had some crackpot ideas but they're not really relevant to the quote I posted. Replace 'TM' with 'an extremely experienced psychedelic user' if you like.

Just thought it was interesting to see two experienced users presenting both sides of the same debate we're having here.
 
I like it mate, im no expert but they all make sense and seem quite cautious that aint a bad thing so i like it... corect me if im rong but i think the op was shearing his principles not setting them in stone for everyone else...

But i get what yous all mean :D =D
 
OP have you ever done ecstasy? i find it hard to believe an experienced drug user accepts the use of "cough syrup" but not MDMA.
 
abelink said:
My Advice: Dont build so many expectations and rules about tripping, just go out and eat some mushrooms in the woods, that will be enough.
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This is very true.

Looking back, some of my best and most insightful experiences have been gained by doing the most seemingly random of things at the randomest times.
 
Loooots to reply to.

Again, for the fun thing, I'm sure most people approach this simply wanting to enjoy themselves, and that's great, but it's not why I'm doing it. I do however expect to have lots of fun along the way. Also with spontaneity, I'm going to let myself be spontaneous - if something's calling to me and it doesn't break any of the guidelines, I'll go for it. This was the case with my initial second plateau trip, and I don't regret it.

But you guys have a lot more experience than me and I'm sure things will change when I really get into it. Perhaps I'll end up modifying #6. For now though, I'll take it as a disciplined psychonautical endeavour above all else. Worth adding too that while no longer depressed, I'm still very unsatisfied with my life, and the reason I'm taking drugs is to try and figure out how to remedy that. I'm all for enjoying life, but if I'm relying on psychoactives for that, it will just be another addictive escapism and they'll inevitably make things worse, not better. As happens with many, many people.

I also will be careful with my expectations. The first two or three experiences on any new drug are finding my feet at different dosages, basically. I took DXM expecting nothing. I didn't find what I was looking for and don't expect I will with dextromethorphan, but that's fine, I wasn't disappointed with what I did get instead. With the shrooms, I'll be sampling it at 2g with a bunch of other guys who know what they're doing, then I'll take a few more home and play around with the effects once I'm more familiar with it. Having no expectations with all this definitely sounds like a good idea, because from the hundreds of trip reports I've read, it's very unpredictable and rarely goes the way you think it will. Especially with heavier stuff like salvia and ibogaine.

I'll see about ecstasy, it's not something I need to think about just yet, but I'll leave the possibility open. For example I very much like this idea:

any major dude said:
At the moment the MDMA for PTSD clinical trials are flagship of the renaissance in psychedelic research.
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Not that I have PTSD, but researching how others have gone about using ecstasy productively sounds like a great place to start. I'm also reading up on those books you recommended, thanks for that.

Never Knows Best said:
Well my life these days is rather pathetic, and my only real friend remaining is Jim Beam, so I like to go back to a more optmistic time in my life, regain a frame of mind when I still had good things going for me, revisit some locations in a place I used to live, go back to a few days fun with some old friends...I find that as time goes on, my sober recollections have been distilled down to a few symbolic moments, and the realities of the situation have been lost in rose colored nostalgia and my subconscious manipulating them to be in line with my current personal narrative. So I chemically enhance memory to see things more accurately, and engage in simple escapism. When you're pessimistic about the future, and don't have anything in the present, living in the past can become quite tempting, unhealthy though it may be.
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I totally understand that. It's a big temptation for me to do the same thing. Been an escapist all my life. :D Good luck... I hope you find peace with it.


Once again, thanks everyone for your input, this has changed the way I see things already.
 
I'm really glad to see that you're taking a cautious and responsible approach to exploring consciousness. I strongly urge you to stick with the rules you've set out for yourself. :)

Flickering said:
Also with spontaneity, I'm going to let myself be spontaneous - if something's calling to me and it doesn't break any of the guidelines, I'll go for it.
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Good idea. As long as spontaneity doesn't incline you to trip too often, or in an otherwise irresponsible manner.

I also will be careful with my expectations. .... Having no expectations with all this definitely sounds like a good idea, because from the hundreds of trip reports I've read, it's very unpredictable and rarely goes the way you think it will.
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Actually, expectations don't really matter at all. I almost enjoy creating expectations for trips, just so they can be totally ripped to shreds by the reality of the whole thing.
 
If I stick to the guidelines, I reckon I'll be fine. I even make them clear to the people I trip with. If they're not happy with it, they're not the sort of people I want to explore inner space with. But I'm blessed to know a few crowds that are on similar quests, or at least would understand.

I suppose the only thing to look out for with expectations is disappointment, but then, you'd probably be hard pressed being 'disappointed' with a high-dose mushroom trip. Terrified or shellshocked, possibly, but not disappointed.
 
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