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HYDRO_CHRONIC

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i dont really mess with psychs ,not my thing but dmt just has me so damn curious

never heard many people that just say they cannot put into words what they saw/experienced

so dmt is made in the "pineal gland" and released during sleep and when death is near?? near death ,thats very interesting if its true

so basically anything can happen when dmt is released/ingested ,have they found out what makes it release exactly?

seeing how strange dreams can be ,when u add this to you AWAKE brain anything can happen through your eyes anyway in the reality we see?

am i getting this right ?
 
HYDRO_CHRONIC said:
am i getting this right ?
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Unfortunately this isn't right. One researcher speculated that this was true and then a whole ton of people started saying that it was true.

It has never been proven that DMT has anything to do with death or dreams.
 
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Well all theories about DMT, the pineal gland, near-death experiences and schizophrenia are quite instable and by no means proven... so be careful about interpreting them as such!

Not anything can happen when DMT is released or ingested but yes many things can be experienced. It *might* be because DMT bears relations to an endopsychotogen or at least substrates that control the sense of reality. DMT is a sigma ligand and sigma receptors seem to me like they have something to do with that. It is intriguing yes.

What are you saying about the brain and consciousness? I don't know if you are getting it right or wrong because I do not fully understand what you mean. :)

Anyway I find it very hard to describe what a DMT experience is like, it is quite out of the ordinary. Much like experiencing the fullest extent of your imagination. It is like the brain can synthesize your own reality and DMT pushes it to form a separate mind-world, as if DMT conveys a signal to the brain to synthesize a subjective reality, like 'make world! make world!'.

But much more than that seems to happen, not only worlds but also sentient entities are formed in my mind during a DMT experience. I believe that these only exist in the mind and are part of yourself but they *seem* to exist separately again because a signal is given to synthesize them into existence as entities using information coming from sensory information and parts of the personality and subconscious.
 
so what if dmt controlled how you saw the world everyday ,maybe its secreted allday and this world is what we end up with

too much and you get people that "normal" people call schizo's ,seeing people who others cant talking to "god"

sorry dont know where that came from
 
I think I know what you are trying to say but it is certainly not that simple, many parts of brain activity that are elucidated are known to contribute to the formation of the sense of reality we end up with in an insane number of separate parts. Well they are not really separate but patients who suffer from brain trauma who might be missing specific parts of this seem to be missing only parts of the formation of their subjectively experienced world.

So you see, there is not one explanation or key to this. The mind is emergent, we contribute spiritual attributes to it that are in some way or another something more than the sum of parts. But I don't think we are going to find that addition in any material property. If you ask me that has more to do with a fundamental metaphysical property of existence.
 
DMT is so neat. i highly recommend it. sometimes i'm tripping so hard i forgot that i was tripping and it's like im trying to remember what i was doing, and then when i start to come down a lil i start to recognize some stuff around me and then i finally remember i had done DMT lol.

the capabilities of this drug are endless. even small doses can be pleasant.
 
The only thing we know with certainty is DMT is endogenous. The latest discussion I've read about is that it is likely produced in the lungs.
 
Correct. I found the recent documentary "the Spirit Molecule" quite presumptuous and as such it annoyed me, it seems to play right into the hands of people lacking skepticism, people to eager to get answers that resolve perennial questions.

I'd much rather see them do new research instead of milking this cow dry of maybe's.
 
don't know about the documentary, but in the book he clearly says that it's only a theory and that it has not been proven

he's as honest about it as anyone who proposes a theory
it's other people who find the idea so cool, mystical or whatever that they talk about it as if it were certain
 
it's other people who find the idea so cool, mystical or whatever that they talk about it as if it were certain
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Joe Rogan is partly to blame for that, he makes it sound like it is proven fact in his interview

dmt might be present in the human body upon birth, death or sleep, who knows, its mysterious! thats the magic of it!

If the big bang was created, what created the big bang and what created the thing that created the big bang, so forth so forth etc, etc....

Maybe were not supposed to know, Maybe we just enjoy it presence ?
 
I do not believe in anything that we are or are not supposed to do as a part of fate, it would assume that we are worth creating a destiny for as if we were in the center of the world and it's meaning which I think we are not.

Yes Joe Rogan is to blame, I resent him for talking about DMT in the media like an excited 7-year old. I don't need uninitiated people to be aroused by him, thank you very much.

But in the documentary he was actually just a narrating host, staying on-topic with the presentation only and not going off on personal speeches. I was really surprised that he was not being the usual spectacular asshole.

Yes I read the book, I do not remember Strassman being extremely explicit about it only being a theory but he indeed only tells it as research being done, nothing too outrageous. The documentary on the other hand was full of people speaking about their personal beliefs in a way like "there must be something really special going on here". Yes the subject is quite intriguing but I hate that sort of implicating tone. It is a very new age and conspiricy-thinker's tone mentioning a series of supposedly interconnected events that are not very well explained at this point. The implication is always: there is no good explanation for this yet so right now the best alternative explanation we have is a supernatural one. It sucks because it is entirely the reverse direction skeptics try to point our thinking.
 
didnt mean to get u so uneasy,i heard rogans idea and i couldnt find anything to say it wasnt true thats why i came here ,since im not so into psych. substances i was interested

dmt seems so fucking interesting ,could it be possible schizos have to much dmt ? i mean just a possibility ,im talking about the ones who see people/things have religous visions etc
 
Haha I am quite okay with the fact that there are things I have come to disagree with. But I will try not to let them pass without saying something about it.

Schizophrenics have been linked to DMT but then again tons of things have. I wouldn't say it's not possible, but there are important things like: even when tripping on DMT, I know what I believe in to be real and what not. I have felt positively insane on the stuff though, but not deluded.
Schizophrenics are basically confusing imaginations with their sense of reality and are highly susceptible to suggestion.

The highly active imagination part might have something to do with DMT for a little bit but what you believe in is more important. What might be true though is that overactive imagination over time might become overwhelming and produce paranoia, if it is chronic and you cannot turn it off that may help to convince you of other things to be true. Then if everything becomes too dynamic and you construct your sense of reality much more loosely based on what is happening now and the things you imagine that could start off delusions.

But it's so complex! So I'd definitely watch out with all these associations. I am merely thinking out loud.
 
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I do not believe in anything that we are or are not supposed to do as a part of fate, it would assume that we are worth creating a destiny for as if we were in the center of the world and it's meaning which I think we are not.
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Sorry to jump off topic, but i really agree with your statement Solipsis.

To get back on topic, it is such a cool thought, DMT being created in our bodys 8o
 
I have DMT. I have all the means to use it.
But alas I cannot bring myself to "take the plunge."

I dont know why I am hesitant, and I dont really know what brought me to post this off-topically..Sobeit.
 
it being created isnt as cool as what it does or could do....or be responsible for ,or why its there in the first place


alot of people think out loud ,but you cant get agitated with what people choose what makes sense to them more,or better yet seems like the coolest theory to THEM,none of it makes more sense than the the other ,theories that is
 
I partially disagree in the sense that it takes more courage to admit that these tryptamines are mostly the backbones of neurotransmitters that an extreme number of organisms all have in common and that it might not be nothing more than coincidence that DMT is there and does what it does.

From the limited data available I think that DMT being the very simple molecule that it is triggers a lot of psychological parts very strongly and sends mechanisms like face detection, geometry and pattern detection and lifeform detection into overdrive, making incredible things out of quite meaningless sensory input.
It takes the magic away to suppose this but I think that is a more honest thing to do than believe in what you want to be right, even if it is more farfetched. If that is what you want, go for it but just don't say that it is what makes the most sense to you because what is sensible is not equal to what appeals to your fancy.
I propose that the explanations aren't as esoteric but rather they are right under our noses, maybe they do not appear magical at first but I find that there is a quiet elegance in those more simple theories.
By this I don't mean to pretend I think what is going on with DMT so yes agree we mostly think out loud and many theories are just equally valid at this point. But like I just explained until we have better reason to, we'd better stay close to what we know rather than things we cannot even understand.
 
im just open to all theories of a substance that MAN has basically no clue about accept its in the human body and alot of organisms ,

kinda makes me wonder what other substances might be active that are INSIDE us at all times
 
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