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2C-E Death in Minneapolis

I saw it and it got me kind of curious.. I'm not to sure what to think though. First off, their is no indication both parties used the same supplier. Secondly, at least at the first incident it is clear they took a massive overdose (snorting huge lines in front of people.) 2C-E is also known to come on much quicker when snorted (the increased come-up time is one of the reasons stated for believing it may be mislabeled or impure). I also read that the police confirmed the substance in the Blaine case was 2C-E. Toxicology should come back from the second incident soon.

Better safe then sorry but I'm not convinced this was anything other than 2C-E
 
God I hate those people. It's like the bizzarro bluelight, aged ten to 17 crowd.




Don't insufflate 100+mg of powdered drugs meant to be taken orally in the 16-18mg range and you won't have to worry.

A little education goes a long way.
 
villian said:
Better safe then sorry but I'm not convinced this was anything other than 2C-E
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You might be right but how is it that so many had health problems while normally this does not happen? I wonder how relevant the alcohol use was and what else might have been involved.

Then again... I would believe 2C-P is capable of very nasty things regarding the small therapeutic index, and 2C-E is not that dissimilar.

How dangerous is something really if a number of people decide to seriously overdo it? DOX compounds have very real and better understood dangers but people still do that. Only - usually - more carefully. If this convinces people that urging everyone to keep within sensible dosage limits is not like a 'YOU probably couldn't handle it' dare... it can be a healthy wake up call. I absolutely mourn this death of course, it's very sad. I am merely suggesting that we do not let it be in vain.

But hopefully not everyone needs to be waken up by deaths to stay sensible!

Compounds like 2C-B seem to be tolerated or at least survivable at strong overdoses of like 200-300 mg which might give people the idea that other 2C-X compounds would at worst only cause total freakouts but not kill you. Obviously this is not the case. 2C-T-X compounds are of course more tricky, potent ones like 2C-P and 2C-E pose a real threat and who knows what other dangers might be lurking. Do NOT, I repeat NOT abuse any 2C-X including the weaker ones or you might become another statistic proving yet another risk factor of 2C-Xs.
 
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Mitchi said:
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=160088#ixzz1MAffRYz6 The swimmers have issued a warning.
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I would suppose the reason that site closed is just that if the product used in the death was traced back to them, there would be so much heat on them no sane busines person to continue to operate in such a situation. That does not necessarily mean that the 2C-E was impure tainted or whatever.

In MIN they were snorting huge lines of it like idiots. In OKL I thought I read something about it being some liquid concotion some asshole came up with, was that the story? Again just asking for ODs, if that's the case.
 
ahhhh and the dose response curve! Gad damn, I'd be so scared to insufulate that stuff with out a proper scale f that.
 
Until we know more about what happened, I don't think we can say anything about the safety of the 2-C-E going around - for better or for worse.

The police confirmation that it was 2-C-E as opposed to 2-C-I leads me to believe this is a simple, if tragic, overdose situation. However, the RC scene is just so sketchy all around I would not be surprised to find out something else was at play.
 
Solipsis said:
Then again... I would believe 2C-P is capable of very nasty things regarding the small therapeutic index, and 2C-E is not that dissimilar.

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With regard to 2CE a former(?) bluelight poster a few years back allegedly tried to OD on 2CE & took about 200mgs & it didn't kill him. I believe he spent a night or so in hospital, it is of course plausible that the story was made up.

I had pondered whether 2CP might cut then passed off as 2CE by people with lots of it lying around on the shelves. I'm tempted to say that if that's the case I hope that they were unaware of the risks they were taking with other peoples health except now I think about it that's not exactly a bright thing to say.

Worrying. :|

This is where bluelight can let people down in the HR department - I know & understand the reasons why - BUT if suppliers have been identified as having misold potentially lethal substances then they ought to be named in order to protect others who may have previously ordered but not yet ingested.
 
Wasn't there a case a while back where a supplier got batch of some MUCH more potent PEA sold to him as 2C-E (or some other 2C, not 100% on this) which caused himself and a few other people OD?
 
^that was the 2c-b-fly/bromo-dfly mix up. & there was a sticky about it in PD for a while, naming the vendor, etc.

And i'd wondered about possibly impure or mislabeled product as well, since there have been multiple trustworthy reports of 100mg+ dosages, some of which didn't even require medical attention. However, the LD50 is the dose at which 50% of test subjects die. The two overdose incidents include roughly 20 people, only 2 of which died. Dosage info has yet (AFAIK) to be made available to the public regarding the OK incident, but i'd assume it is pretty large as well. My best guess would be that while most people won't die from a 100mg 2c-e dose, a few people will.

I'm not totally discounting the possibility of impure 2c-e or a vendor doing something even more shady. Don't even doubt it honestly, but i just don't think we have enough info to be sure at the moment.
 
any major dude said:
^that was the 2c-b-fly/bromo-dfly mix up. & there was a sticky about it in PD for a while, naming the vendor, etc.

And i'd wondered about possibly impure or mislabeled product as well, since there have been multiple trustworthy reports of 100mg+ dosages, some of which didn't even require medical attention. However, the LD50 is the dose at which 50% of test subjects die. The two overdose incidents include roughly 20 people, only 2 of which died. Dosage info has yet (AFAIK) to be made available to the public regarding the OK incident, but i'd assume it is pretty large as well. My best guess would be that while most people won't die from a 100mg 2c-e dose, a few people will.

I'm not totally discounting the possibility of impure 2c-e or a vendor doing something even more shady. Don't even doubt it honestly, but i just don't think we have enough info to be sure at the moment.
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Yeah, that was it, thanks! Stuff like this makes me a bit nervous when buying chems, even from reliable suppliers - it's good to remember that there's ALWAYS a risk involved when buying research chemicals / designer drugs / what ever over the Internet.

If it was actually 2C-E, maybe those who died (RIP) where sensitive or did stupid amounts and most people hospitalized just freaked out?
 
To be honest this reminds me of acid, if you take a shit load of acid it doesn't take an hour to kick in like it normally does, it takes about 15 minutes. That's the same with this, if you take a fuckload and expect it to hit you in an hour your wrong. Here's a good trip report regarding this:

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http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=72208

This doesn't phase me too much, it just sounds like stupid people with a lack of consideration for their health and knowledge of substances before using.
 
Unelmaporsas said:
Yeah, that was it, thanks! Stuff like this makes me a bit nervous when buying chems, even from reliable suppliers - it's good to remember that there's ALWAYS a risk involved when buying research chemicals / designer drugs / what ever over the Internet.

If it was actually 2C-E, maybe those who died (RIP) where sensitive or did stupid amounts and most people hospitalized just freaked out?
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No prob :)

And this is why it is so important to do low dose tests with each substance you receive if you use companies like this. This simple step can avert so much hardship....
 
!!!! WARNING !!!! 'TAINTED' 2-ce CAUSES DEATH

I received the following in an email from another popular (US-Based) forum early this morning:

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On March 17th in Minneapolis and on May 7th in Oklahoma two groups of 19 people total were hospitalized and 3 people died after the ingestion of 2C-E.

2C-E has been used over 20 years without serious incidents. 2C-E its onset takes 2 hours, while the victims experienced effects after only one hour. This gives a serious indication that the 2C-E bought over the internet was tainted or mislabeled. We have just received news that this is indeed the case.

According to police the 2C-E involved in the death in Oklahoma was purchased from *******logy.net The website is no longer active- and it is unclear if it was taken down voluntarily or by the authorities. It is very likely that the *******logy.net was
supplied this 2C-E by a Chinese vendor. *******logy.net was a US based vendor selling only 2C-E and 2C-I .

If you have bought product from this vendor then do NOT consume it nor let others consume it. If you have purchased any product from them recently please contact the staff.

The 2C-E causing the Minneapolis death and hospitalizations is said to be ordered online from a Chinese vendor. It is currently not known which Chinese vendor is involved, nor if this vendor supplied other research chemical vendors.
For this reason we urge you to avoid all 2C-E. Please spread the word.
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Obviously it's entirely up to you whether or not you wish to risk consuming until more details are known about specific batches, and it is unknown whether, or indeed how far outside the US this 'tainted' batch has spread, but either way it's a sad, sad day and a very uncertain future for lovers of this wonderful phenethylamine.

Please pass on.

RIP.
 
Indeed scary! Who knows how much where produced and sold!? I really hope the ways the stuff went can be followed and more "accidents" prevented!! Also sad news as it may shadow future trips with (heavier) "oh my god i took some stuff that is not what i expect it to be" - mind-fuck :|

(one voice in my head brings up it could be a new pervert anti-drug/rc propaganda campaign)

Anyway hope more information will reach as much people who need to know as possible !!
 
I think the source of this stuff should be named publicly here.

It has sent out something lethal, and is **NOT** now a source. It has, as said, been shut down.
 
This positively reeks of that story from a while back, where 2C-B-dragonfly was inadvertantly sold in place of the FLY compound.
 
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