Meth/Amphetamines: Serious Discussion Only - V.2: MERGED with amps quitting thread

[DoubleC]

Here's my 2 cents as ive done mostly all drugs and ice being my fave. Placebos are very important I have to commit to something that takes up all the time I used to get high with. Also having friends you can call on to do stuff with that don't use themselves and put yourself around them. Cause when I'm bored and have time to think about how good it would be to be high that's when I start. And the longer I binge the easier it gets for me to jus get high again. It becomes routine . School was a really good way for stopping my bingeing

Question: is it really that hard to get off meth I've got on and gotten off easily after I sleep I wake up normal and I binge for weeks at a time sometimes more. But when I feel maxed out I call it a day. Euphoria doesn't last forever u have to stop eventually

 

[footscrazy]

^ Everyone has a different experience getting off meth. It can be an extremely hard addiction to quit and often people can fuck around with it for years in the way you described, binging then quitting with relative ease, before it really gets a hold of them. In fact this pattern can lead to complacency and addicition - if you've never had too much trouble quitting the urgency to stop is not there, and it's easy to keep pushing and to keep increasing your dependence. Meth is very insidious in that way, and dependence can easily creep up on you.

 

[the_void]

Better late than never...

Here's a rap I wrote today.

NSFW:

Thank you for sharing this! I respond so late because it doesn't appear to have been discussed much and I wanted you to know that I for one thought this was awesome. You have quite a way with words, man!

Because you meth/speedheads seem to ignore 'a simple kiddie druggie' who tries to find a place to find help and only could find this thread... it might be an 'inferior drug and addiction' but I just recovered from my 2nd failed suicide attempt since noone took my binging etc, serious.

Another oldie that I felt I needed to respond to...while it may be harder for the average person here to relate due to different drug tastes, I concur that methylphenidate is not 'kiddy drugs', when it comes to its notorious comedown in particular, it's no picnic. I can handle any stimulant comedown without downers...but cocaine and methylphenidate are exceptions. In fact, snorting high dose ritalin at once, it would instill a horrific terrible comedown in me, and that's WITHOUT REDOSES. At least cocaine will allow me a minimum of 2-3 redoses, without instilling a major comedown. I far prefer a d-meth comedown to a methylphenidate comedown.

In order words, I from the speed side of the spectrum would never dismiss methylphenidate as kiddy drugs... it's to be taken seriously, as with any addiction. IV methylphenidate, in particular, is considered to be particularly euphoric, and I'm sure something no one would call 'kiddy drugs.' Hell some people (certain coke people, mainly), would prefer a shot of methylphenidate to a shot of meth because its more their 'thing' (the pharmacology of cocaine and methylphenidate are similar). Please don't put yourself down, and I hope things are looking up just a little these days

 

[DoubleC]

^ Everyone has a different experience getting off meth. It can be an extremely hard addiction to quit and often people can fuck around with it for years in the way you described, binging then quitting with relative ease, before it really gets a hold of them. In fact this pattern can lead to complacency and addicition - if you've never had too much trouble quitting the urgency to stop is not there, and it's easy to keep pushing and to keep increasing your dependence. Meth is very insidious in that way, and dependence can easily creep up on you.

Can you elaborate more on what you mean by insidious and how it can creep on you? Im relatively new to ice but I'm an experienced drug user. I've been using ice for about 1 year heavily but have tried it a long time ago and jus used it very rarely like every 3 6 months but now it's like at least once a month and every week when I get bad. But If it's not readily available to me I won't make the effort to get it .
But I am worried for my health the toxicity of it is scary and I do feel imbalanced so I've become more pro-active and take antioxidants and supplements everyday

 

[euphoricc]

GUYS IM A SPEEDFREAK HA HAAAAA i have 1 speed gooooooooooo !!! ok these bath salts cut down the speed scene near here ban the dam shit please i beg u gte rid of fake drugs do real or die!!!!!!

 

[Smoifer]

Can you elaborate more on what you mean by insidious and how it can creep on you? Im relatively new to ice but I'm an experienced drug user. I've been using ice for about 1 year heavily but have tried it a long time ago and jus used it very rarely like every 3 6 months but now it's like at least once a month and every week when I get bad. But If it's not readily available to me I won't make the effort to get it .
But I am worried for my health the toxicity of it is scary and I do feel imbalanced so I've become more pro-active and take antioxidants and supplements everyday

You just elaborated on it yourself.

Slowly as it may be your usage is getting more regular and I'd imagine heavier with shorter breaks in between. But because you won't make the effort to get it if it's not there then you don't see any issue and become complacent because you can stop whenever, right?. This whole time it's been creeping on you. Eventually, after it's been readily available every weekend for a few months, you realise maybe it wasn't so readily available and recently you have been making an effort to get on. It's no longer so easy to just go without.

That's how I got caught out, I could stop whenever so it didn't matter how hard I went, by the time I realised the positive was overtaken by the negative it wasn't as easy as I remembered to stop. I've cut back to once a week now or fortnight if I'm lucky, I rarely make an effort to get it but somehow it's never far away and it only takes the slightest trigger to set those cravings off!

I've been walking away after this puff for the last year.
I was oblivious to it slowly creeping up on me for a few years before I even noticed the negative turn it had taken.

 

[Legerity]

Can you elaborate more on what you mean by insidious and how it can creep on you? Im relatively new to ice but I'm an experienced drug user. I've been using ice for about 1 year heavily but have tried it a long time ago and jus used it very rarely like every 3 6 months but now it's like at least once a month and every week when I get bad. But If it's not readily available to me I won't make the effort to get it .
But I am worried for my health the toxicity of it is scary and I do feel imbalanced so I've become more pro-active and take antioxidants and supplements everyday

Of course this substance is hard on the body, so maintaining good health is important.

Insidious progression is one possible outcome of many. If you are honest with yourself about how often you use and the consequences then there will less chance of surprises. This isn't always easy!

That said, I've found amphetamine to be pretty hard to follow strict guidelines with, in particular when coming down which always seems to occur before you are ready for it.

Take care of yourself. Progression is a certain possibility but not a necessity. Honesty with yourself!

 

[godlovesugly]

i havent used meth in over a week. i want to be done with it so much. im completely broke now. i found out my "friend" stole my debit card and took over 200 dollars from my bank account...hes a meth user and he shoots up....im tired of this drug. im tired of these people in the drug world that are constantly lying to me, stealing from me, and using me.

meth is the hardest drug ive ever tried to quit...

 

[Legerity]

i havent used meth in over a week. i want to be done with it so much. im completely broke now. i found out my "friend" stole my debit card and took over 200 dollars from my bank account...hes a meth user and he shoots up....im tired of this drug. im tired of these people in the drug world that are constantly lying to me, stealing from me, and using me.

meth is the hardest drug ive ever tried to quit...

A week is an accomplishment Do you know other people to hang out? Even if you're still part of the crowd if you find other forms of companionship it may be easier to drift away from the scene.

Environments can easily suck us in. I have no tolerance for "scenes" in general and the roles that people try to play within them. And being around a bunch of people smoking meth doesn't seem very nourishing for your goals if you're attempting to stop.

There really are good people around somewhere, I promise!

 

[wooger]

Recently i have been using amphetamine way too much. After finally stopping drinking, I decide to replace it with some other toxic crap, do I never learn my lesson?!

Anyway, last night it was awful, I did the 'baking soda thing' and after several hours my heart was just pounding, checked my pulse and it was like 142 and stayed this way for HOURS AND HOURS. My heart was actually hurting and I had this weird headache kinda on the top to one side of my head. I was so close to going to the hospital. Terrifying.

Anyway, never again, chucked the rest out and made sure I can't access anymore. Chucked the 2cb down the toilet that I had too. I am glad I learned my lesson before I made anymore of a habit of it....

 

[footscrazy]

i havent used meth in over a week. i want to be done with it so much. im completely broke now. i found out my "friend" stole my debit card and took over 200 dollars from my bank account...hes a meth user and he shoots up....im tired of this drug. im tired of these people in the drug world that are constantly lying to me, stealing from me, and using me.

meth is the hardest drug ive ever tried to quit...

Over a week is amazing! Don't let yourself downplay that. When I first quit I thought there was no way I could ever, EVER, make one day off. After one day I increased my goal to two days, then 5, then a week etc, til now, I'm 4 months off today. I quit a 7 year habit on the 9th of Jan this year. It took me many, many tries to quit and often I'd get myself down thinking, fuck, I've tried to quit so many times before, and always failed, what's the point in even believing in myself now, I'm going to fail again. But every time you quit you get better at quitting, so never give up, and don't think that the past has to predict the future.

 

[Sweet P]

I'm gonna try to avoid all uppers over the next five days. I've been using methamphetamine, dex-amphetamine, and/or methylphenidate every day and it's taking a toll on my body and my mind. I don't want to quit completely... I'm just having a short detox, to help my brain recharge and my health to improve slightly. Today was my first day free of stimulants. I woke up this morning with horrible anxiety and a pounding headache, so I took some clonazepam and tramadol (neither of which are "problem drugs" for me any more) to help with that. It'll be interesting to see if I can manage the full five days.

 

[DrugFuckedNZ]

I'm gonna try to avoid all uppers over the next five days. I've been using methamphetamine, dex-amphetamine, and/or methylphenidate every day and it's taking a toll on my body and my mind. I don't want to quit completely... I'm just having a short detox, to help my brain recharge and my health to improve slightly. Today was my first day free of stimulants. I woke up this morning with horrible anxiety and a pounding headache, so I took some clonazepam and tramadol (neither of which are "problem drugs" for me any more) to help with that. It'll be interesting to see if I can manage the full five days.

Hey Sweet P you sound like a cool person, I admire you for giving it a break... all the best kiwi gal

 

[Legerity]

I'm gonna try to avoid all uppers over the next five days. I've been using methamphetamine, dex-amphetamine, and/or methylphenidate every day and it's taking a toll on my body and my mind. I don't want to quit completely... I'm just having a short detox, to help my brain recharge and my health to improve slightly. Today was my first day free of stimulants. I woke up this morning with horrible anxiety and a pounding headache, so I took some clonazepam and tramadol (neither of which are "problem drugs" for me any more) to help with that. It'll be interesting to see if I can manage the full five days.

Good goal Your body will appreciate a few days of rest. Eat/sleep/repeat

 

[Sweet P]

Hey Sweet P you sound like a cool person, I admire you for giving it a break... all the best kiwi gal

Thanks for the support, my friend. I'll keep in touch and let you know how the detox goes.

Good goal Your body will appreciate a few days of rest. Eat/sleep/repeat

Yep, for sure. I've been eating like crazy today, as I've barely eaten a thing over the past few days.

 

[gavatron@oz]

I'm gonna try to avoid all uppers over the next five days. I've been using methamphetamine, dex-amphetamine, and/or methylphenidate every day and it's taking a toll on my body and my mind. I don't want to quit completely... I'm just having a short detox, to help my brain recharge and my health to improve slightly. Today was my first day free of stimulants. I woke up this morning with horrible anxiety and a pounding headache, so I took some clonazepam and tramadol (neither of which are "problem drugs" for me any more) to help with that. It'll be interesting to see if I can manage the full five days.

im coming off a heavy binge myself.. The weekend rolls into monday,so i hit the pippi so i dnt miss work..tjen tues,wed,fuck its almost the week end.. NExt thing ive been up6 nights..

Need a week off, then try 2 weekly..

The head aches are stupid,along with chronic food binges and days of sleep.ive lost 14kg(30pounds) of muscle off my frame.iys fucked

i state straigt through people,think about meth 24 /7.

Fucken over it

 

[ziggo]

After a few weeks on and off of meth, I know that I can't do it maybe ever again. I've only been addicted to h but from the first shot meth has a stronger appeal and lure for me. I feel like I'll be fine using h in extreme moderation whenever an easy opportunity comes along. But I can't use meth for it could very easily end me.

 

[Sweet P]

ive lost 14kg(30pounds) of muscle off my frame.iys fucked

Yeah, I'm dangerously underweight. I've always been naturally thin, but my years of chronic meth/amphetamine abuse has turned me into a walking skeleton. I currently weigh 50kg's (110lbs) and I'm 5'8", which gives me a body mass index of only 16. At my worst, I weighed less than 45kg's! The muscle deterioration also sucks... I'm no longer comfy wearing skirts cos my legs are like matchsticks (and often covered in sores!)

After a few weeks on and off of meth, I know that I can't do it maybe ever again. I've only been addicted to h but from the first shot meth has a stronger appeal and lure for me. I feel like I'll be fine using h in extreme moderation whenever an easy opportunity comes along. But I can't use meth for it could very easily end me.

I have friends who are opiate addicts but also use meth. I remember some of them saying the danger of meth is that they can just keep going and going, whereas with opiates they'll eventually just nodd out. I tend to agree with that, from my own experience.

 

[footscrazy]

^ I used to be so skinny on meth but I liked it in a way...5'10" and 54 kilos, as soon as I quit though I started putting on about a kilo a week! That really fucked with me, I put on 13 kilos in 4 months before I realised I couldn't just eat anything I wanted anymore. I only used to eat 2 or 3 days a week at best. It just shows how unrealistic that 'supermodel' frame is, if I was still too big to be a model when I was only eating 2 days a week...

I know you can reach your goals sweet P. I also have some more info about Lindsay so please pm me

 

[Sweet P]

^ I've just sent you a PM.