Stimulants I feel more alive/myself on meth...?

[Cloudburst]

I would wager I've said lots more stupid and sometimes even endangering things under the influence of meth despite feeling like I was a logical, well-intentioned person (or god as has been described) the entire high - way more than I have with even alcohol intoxication. Your sense of having self-awareness along with chemically-induced increased confidence in yourself cannot really coexist as two absolute truths. It also decreases my anxiety all along with that, the relief of which I'm sure magnifies the tendency to talk before I think. I prefer taking it when other people are also taking it with me, because we're all on the same level of social sense. Never had a bad experience in that regard, no aggression and those I use with seem more willing to look past whatever crap I may accidentally say due to the fact they're probably more focused on their turn to talk.

 

[SunThatShines]

If you'd benefit from a script then get one.

Just because you got turned down by one doctor doesn't mean you'll never get it. My doctor, who's an addiction specialist and was treating me for opiate abuse, scripted me stimulants at some point to see if they will help. They didn't for me, but I'm just illustrating a point here. I have chronic pain and stimulants increase my pain tremendously, even thou I certainly have something like ADD.

So try your luck with different doctors and get evaluated for ADD.

Also, how about some supplements like tyrosine, tryptophan, vit D and B complex. I also suffer from low energy and I found a diet that helps tremendously. Some foods might not work well with you and cuz your energy problems. I do good when I cut these foods out of my menu: bread, flour, most fruit except berries, sweets, soda, milk (but not dairy). What works with me is a balance of about 25% carbs that come mostly from veggies, 25% protein from meat and nuts and 50% fat from specific ones not all. When I eat like that I feel like I am on amphetamines without all the negative side effects.

So if you exercise already try adjusting your diet. It makes such a difference, but its really difficult to keep up because old habits are hard to get rid of.

I dont have insurence, so I'm only able to go to this hospital that has a built in doctors office that allows people with no insurence/low income's to go to, which may be why the doctors look at me like im just trying to get high off the medication....Because all the druggies/homeless people go there sense its doctors office that accepts no insurence/people who cant pay for there medical... It really pisses me off though, because my friend has an adderall prescription and he legitametly does NOT need it, he just abuses it and sells it .. There's also a waiting list to get in to see a doctor (normally 3 months), and i've been there twice already and saw 2 different doctors and when I went in for the second time the doctor looked at my info in the computer and noticed I was seen by another doctor and I told him that the other doctor wouldn't treat me so I was hoping he could evaluate me and treat me...Guess what happened? He did a BS evaluation and said that sence I dont have insurence he cant prescribe me any medication, which is total BS (I think?) also, this is the doctor who said he wont prescribe me any stimulant unless I have papers saying I've been tested for ADHD,because its a scheduled substance. (I cant afford the adhd testing, its expensive.) So if I go back for the 3rd time, they will be curious why i keep seeing so many doctors when none of them will treat me..they will think im drug searching..


I still need advice/help..

 

[idunnonemore]

Normal of not?

Hi~ I am wondering if it normal for someone to throw up after ingesting meth? my friend got really hot, and threw up like the exorcist. I'm wondering if that's normal and what should I do if it gets worse... any help?

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Hi~ I am wondering if it normal for someone to throw up after ingesting meth? my friend got really hot, and threw up like the exorcist. I'm wondering if that's normal and what should I do if it gets worse... any help?

Yeah it's probably normal. I don't remember vomiting on methamphetamine, but it's something I've done from IVing d-amphetamine alone. Especially if you IV it, there's a ton of nausea that hits you like a brick wall.

What ROA did you use?

I wouldn't use more, ride it out. You might have dosed too high.

 

[b4rd]

You and everybody else.
Try leading a healthy active lifestyle and getting those dopamine pathways going.

Yes, I believe that stimulants affect people similarly to the way you have described.

Do not let stimulants drive you to be "normal", for you will eventually fall from your high.

Exercise, eat healthily, make good friends where the caring is mutual, and laughing a lot are the best ways for you to feel better without pills or crystals or whatever. Hope this helped

 

[ektamine]

^ Very good advice. Seriously. It's obvious, but its often overlooked by the stim-naive.

High's don't last. None of it will last. Everything you feel now will be gone, and you will be left with an addiction.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

^ Very good advice. Seriously. It's obvious, but its often overlooked by the stim-naive.

High's don't last. None of it will last. Everything you feel now will be gone, and you will be left with an addiction.

I don't think this must happen to everyone who choses to use amphetamines though.

 

[ektamine]

I don't think this must happen to everyone who choses to use amphetamines though.

No, addiction won't happen to everyone, but I'm a firm believer that if you start to use methamphetamine to mask problems like this, you will keep using it, and you will most likely end up addicted.

 

[Mr-Tambourine-Man]

Depression and social inhibition are ABSOLUTELY symptoms of ADHD. ADHD is not limited to hyperactivity and concentration issues. Those are just two symptoms. ADHD is caused by a laxk of natural stimulation in (I believe) the prefrontal cortex. Not enough dopamine is produced and the body's natural reward system is not functioning properly. Chemical reward or forseen lack of reward is what motivates every insignifican decision we make, hence shaping our behavior.
I used to be a raging junkie, but when I got on Vyvanse and gave it a proper chance 90 percent of my cravings dissapeared. I have since been on Vyvanse and Adderall for nearly a year. I never abuse it. It makes me the best version of me; responsible; conscientious; outgoing; courteous; hardworking; attentive.
I think it is safe to say that most addicts have been self-medicating for some underlying disorder. I think the addict gene is merely an offshoot of some other hereditary mental condition, at least most of the time. For me, my medicine fixes practically EVERYTHING and gives me the motivation needed to fix anything left over. I hate to give so much credit to a drug but stimulants have seriously changed my life for the better, and at such low doses!

 

[SunThatShines]

Depression and social inhibition are ABSOLUTELY symptoms of ADHD. ADHD is not limited to hyperactivity and concentration issues. Those are just two symptoms. ADHD is caused by a laxk of natural stimulation in (I believe) the prefrontal cortex. Not enough dopamine is produced and the body's natural reward system is not functioning properly. Chemical reward or forseen lack of reward is what motivates every insignifican decision we make, hence shaping our behavior.
I used to be a raging junkie, but when I got on Vyvanse and gave it a proper chance 90 percent of my cravings dissapeared. I have since been on Vyvanse and Adderall for nearly a year. I never abuse it. It makes me the best version of me; responsible; conscientious; outgoing; courteous; hardworking; attentive.
I think it is safe to say that most addicts have been self-medicating for some underlying disorder. I think the addict gene is merely an offshoot of some other hereditary mental condition, at least most of the time. For me, my medicine fixes practically EVERYTHING and gives me the motivation needed to fix anything left over. I hate to give so much credit to a drug but stimulants have seriously changed my life for the better, and at such low doses!

Unfortunally for me, doctors won't treat me.. They look at me like a typical college kid looking for a drug to abuse. (which doesn't make sence, I dont look like a bum or anything, I have a nice appearence, wear nice clothes, I'm smart etc.) I'm honest with the doctors I've been too. I've been to two different doctors...The first one believes ADHD doesn't exist and its all in the head...and the second doc was a younger fella who wont prescribe addhd meds unless I got tests for it, which costs 1200.00......PSH! i cant afford that..... so here I am, someone who actually NEEDS it, and can't get it while people who don't need it have prescriptions outa the ass8)

 

[toastedpanda]

I do "Excercise"... I'm actually a fan of weight lifting, mixed martial arts, and outdoor water sports..... I have an atheltic/swimmers body type, so I'm in great condition.


It doesn't help.... Been doing it for over a year regularly.... It helps boost my confidence but does not make me more social/happy....

Also, A psychiatrist is expensive, and If i saved up my money to go, and got declined I'd be so Fu&*ed.!

Trust me speed, perscribed or not, is not something that should be taken to be social and happy. It'l proly blow up in your face, you are smoking crystal as it is....

You should seek out counsoling for the depression and social issues, and if you do have add/adhd, try learning actual coping skills with a counsler rather than going for the meds. I have severe add myself and while I took amphetamine for the first two months of therapy I learned how to cope and work out my disruptive symptoms and live without the meds.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Trust me speed, perscribed or not, is not something that should be taken to be social and happy. It'l proly blow up in your face, you are smoking crystal as it is....

You should seek out counsoling for the depression and social issues, and if you do have add/adhd, try learning actual coping skills with a counsler rather than going for the meds. I have severe add myself and while I took amphetamine for the first two months of therapy I learned how to cope and work out my disruptive symptoms and live without the meds.

People with ADD/ADHD can live on medication too, though. Using ADD/ADHD medications to help someone taper off of a meth habit is still a step in the right direction. Of course the medications can still be abused - but the doctor can also help that person taper off. Or, a family member can hold onto your medication, so as to form a safe guard to prevent psychosis, malnutrition, etc.

I am doing a lot better on medication than off it.

I know a Bluelighter who frequents Other Drugs at times, who used to abuse meth at a level which I've never been to before - but they can still manage to use a similar dosage of d-amp that I use, in order to balance out how they feel without methamphetamine. Taking this sort of dosage for them doesn't cause them to fiend out uncontrollably and they are able to space out their dosages reasonably, and their negative symptoms of meth withdrawal are gone.

I have never had a problem with meth - but I know from experience that just because one might have a problem with meth, doesn't mean they must have a problem with ADD/ADHD meds too. It would be like saying every heroin addict couldn't be trusted with a hydrocodone/oxycodone prescription in the form of vicodin/percocet.

 

[DoubleC]

^ agreed , your trapping yourself when you initiate drug use to deal with everyday issues like self confidence and self esteem your letting yourself become dependent on a drug that can't be used daily. You need to find yourself , find your place in the world then maybe you can do ice again. Stop use immediately or you'll be coming out of it 1000x worst then you started and 1000x broker and your odds of finding your self/soul will be slim.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

^ agreed , your trapping yourself when you initiate drug use to deal with everyday issues like self confidence and self esteem your letting yourself become dependent on a drug that can't be used daily. You need to find yourself , find your place in the world then maybe you can do ice again. Stop use immediately or you'll be coming out of it 1000x worst then you started and 1000x broker and your odds of finding your self/soul will be slim.

This is something anyone can do with any legal or illegal drug which forms ideal effects in the eyes of the beholder. Amphetamine and methamphetamine are no different in this respect.

 

[DoubleC]

This is something anyone can do with any legal or illegal drug which forms ideal effects in the eyes of the beholder. Amphetamine and methamphetamine are no different in this respect.

True but methamphetamine can't be comparable to as if he were using weed or ketamine the effects of ice are ten fold he won't sleep and eat properly and he's gonna slip fast. And when the ice loses it's spark what can possibly fill the void for the most likely tweaker-upper-chaser monster he has created within himself ? Crack? Iv ice? Meth isnt something to be taken lightly you have to respect the drug for it's power it's one of the big boys. IMO

 

[toastedpanda]

I'm by no means against medication for treating ADHD/ADD captain, and I'm sure there are those who require it to cope with adhd. I just think its wiser to seek out a solution that doesn't require amphetamines first and try that. Esp in the case of amps as they can be rough on the body and most succesful users take care to nouris/rest themselves and take occasional time off and maintain a healthy dose. And in the case of the OP, if he's using meth recreationally or to medicate symptoms such as depression, in addition to the adhd, he needs to take great care to keep the use of amps theraputic.

And to be honest the OP having just tried meth a month ago if I read correctly I can't help but wonder if he's tricking himself into thinking amphetamine is a cure for issues being in the honeymoon stage of using this class of drugs. Reading another thread by the op below this he says he uses meth once then takes a three month break (although the thread was about how he used four days in a row and couldn't get high on the 4th day and high was his words not mine) yet in this thread he says he first used 3 weeks ago...
I don't mean to judge I get high myself but it sounds like drug seeking behaviour to me.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

I'm by no means against medication for treating ADHD/ADD captain, and I'm sure there are those who require it to cope with adhd. I just think its wiser to seek out a solution that doesn't require amphetamines first and try that. Esp in the case of amps as they can be rough on the body and most succesful users take care to nouris/rest themselves and take occasional time off and maintain a healthy dose. And in the case of the OP, if he's using meth recreationally or to medicate symptoms such as depression, in addition to the adhd, he needs to take great care to keep the use of amps theraputic.

And to be honest the OP having just tried meth a month ago if I read correctly I can't help but wonder if he's tricking himself into thinking amphetamine is a cure for issues being in the honeymoon stage of using this class of drugs. Reading another thread by the op below this he says he uses meth once then takes a three month break (although the thread was about how he used four days in a row and couldn't get high on the 4th day and high was his words not mine) yet in this thread he says he first used 3 weeks ago...
I don't mean to judge I get high myself but it sounds like drug seeking behaviour to me.

Definitely, I agree completely.

Diet, exercise, sleep hygiene, and having a positive living environment is all definitely a predecessor to using amphetamine - without these things, ADD/ADHD medication doesn't work as well.

I already work out on a regular basis, eat a lot and get very good sleep now that I'm on ADD/ADHD medicine (prior to this I had poor sleep cycles but good sleep hygiene). I know my life would be better while on medication because of the years I lived before getting on medication, as well as the years in between the times I have had medication for ADD/ADHD.

 

[zyNc973]

thats what itll do to ya, it opens you up completely. thats why so many people like it, even myself a bit. but i dont really use uppers to make myself more open, moreso just to amplify myself to my prime and optimum state. it has excelling effects on the body, making you function at the highest rate. itll supercharge you, sending you 100+ miles per hour. dont take too much, youll spin out.

 

[OEandricearoni]

I wouldn't get into doing meth bro. That will end up giving you more problems than you had before you started it. Like someone above said, it kind of sounds like you have ADD. You could probably get tested and prescribed adderall. That way what you will be taking will be legally prescribed to you, and it wont mess you up like meth would in the long run.

 

[Mr-Tambourine-Man]

I think you should pursue it. If you aren't diagnosed, you'll never know. And everyone knows METH IS BAD. We get it. But one day I noticed that my meth habits were kinda weird. I used it to write and do homework. It calmed me. I went from taking crazy high doses to taking doses that my friends just laughed at.
Now I take amp and d-amp daily is two 15mg doses, well 40mg of Vyvanse and 15mg of Adderall. When I used to IV meth i'd do 500mg at a time? How is it I'm happy on such a small oral dose? I have ADHD. Duh, it is bad to abuse meth, but if you haven't been diagnosed ADHD and seen how these meds can greatly improve every aspect of your life, you really can't say what the OP should or shouldn't do.
I take amphetamine. I also eat, sleep, excercise, do volunteer work, sing in the church choir, attend N/A meetings and haven't touched meth in a year. No need to. When I feel OK in my own skin the idea of taking some other mind-altering substance is laughable, as I'm just fine how I am. I can reason with myself and conlude that I just don't need other drugs and that is an ENORMOUS BLESSING.