Wow... LSA blew LSD out of the water had the best trip of my life last night.

[DwayneHoover]

^But the view that psychedelic drugs only elicit a bogus view of reality is also false in itself.

What "reality" "actually" is, is totally unknowable.

What psychedelics teach you is not some "messed up" view of reality... rather... "Reality" is the set of ALL particles & energies in the universe. Your body contains sense organs that filter and feed a VERY VERY VERY highly selective set of detected information to the processing centers of your brain.

What your "subjective inner Self" is EXPERIENCING is in fact a virtual reality constructed by the brain out of the sensory input data, as directed by the plan implemented in brain structures that were designed by DNA & Evolutionary processes for the purposes of propagating DNA.

The "reality" your non-tripping mind experiences is ABSOLUTELY ***NOT*** "true"... it is a STAGE SET... a CONSTRUCTION... an artificial INNER BROADWAY MUSICAL that your brain is putting you inside of... it's like Neo's reality in the Matrix... it's fake, a PRESENTATION, a SLIDE SHOW, a MOVIE... the REAL reality is akin to the "real world" Neo experiences when he is unplugged... not literally of course, but if it were possible to become "unplugged" and see "The True Reality" you would DEFINITELY think "WHAT THE HELL IS ALL THIS CRAP!!! OH MY FUCKING GOD!!!" Which is basically what a large enough dose of psychedelics does to you.... it re-tunes and/or turns off the sensory filters and the ability of the brain to mount its "Stage Show".... hence what you experience can be MORE "real" than "normal reality."

 

[IamMe90]

What "reality" "actually" is, is totally unknowable.

What psychedelics teach you is not some "messed up" view of reality... rather... "Reality" is the set of ALL particles & energies in the universe. Your body contains sense organs that filter and feed a VERY VERY VERY highly selective set of detected information to the processing centers of your brain.

What your "subjective inner Self" is EXPERIENCING is in fact a virtual reality constructed by the brain out of the sensory input data, as directed by the plan implemented in brain structures that were designed by DNA & Evolutionary processes for the purposes of propagating DNA.

The "reality" your non-tripping mind experiences is ABSOLUTELY ***NOT*** "true"... it is a STAGE SET... a CONSTRUCTION... an artificial INNER BROADWAY MUSICAL that your brain is putting you inside of... it's like Neo's reality in the Matrix... it's fake, a PRESENTATION, a SLIDE SHOW, a MOVIE... the REAL reality is akin to the "real world" Neo experiences when he is unplugged... not literally of course, but if it were possible to become "unplugged" and see "The True Reality" you would DEFINITELY think "WHAT THE HELL IS ALL THIS CRAP!!! OH MY FUCKING GOD!!!" Which is basically what a large enough dose of psychedelics does to you.... it re-tunes and/or turns off the sensory filters and the ability of the brain to mount its "Stage Show".... hence what you experience can be MORE "real" than "normal reality."

really now that's pretty dramatic and exaggerated. i don't think you can really hold much certainty about some of those claims, but whateva

 

[DwayneHoover]

The contents of your experience are obviously constructed by your brain. What is so exaggerated about that?

 

[Fixed5217]

LSD>LSA, but you have a valid point...

I think you're on to something here. What you say borders on blasphemy with many who enjoy there acid.
I will stick up for some of your statements, others need to be brought down a bit to reality

1. LSA is very subjective and does cause euphoria, but only state-dependent as such. Because of this, If you had a good time/set/setting for your LSA ingestion, you will perceive a high degree of euphoria (My first time with a drink preparation of HBWR, I was off my rocker babbling about how it felt like hydrocodone and E and ___ and etc.). That said because LSD is stronger, it IS much more euphoric if you can enjoy the effects.

--Important here is roa/preparation/ LSA source selection. MG seeds always gave me such a hell of a time with nausea that it distracted (after 12 hours of eating an MG extract and with an-ever strengthening trip I induced vomiting and threw up pure soap). HBWR are much better because you don't take quite so much of the soapy mass in. Buy a cheap coffee grinder if you plan to explore and parachute your resultant (scraping seeds prior really helps too). Drinking large amounts 100% orange juice really helps (either like vitamin c is to LSD or just through digestion a la using bases to potentiate opiates). The above mentioned parachuting method for ten seeds combined with a quart or so of orange juice put me on a 6-7 hour 'Eureka' plateau and made for one of the most mentally euphoric trips%).

2.Because of the less potency/similar acid headspace you will find yourself in an explorative very thoughtful mode (I stayed up an extra 5 hours one time because every time I would try to fall asleep I would be flooded by the grandest and centrally obvious epiphanies that had never occurred to me in normal conscious thought). that said acid can provide the same things, though you need to be able to control/remember the conclusions you come to.

--Mushrooms are near worthless in this aspect--as one doses higher, one sort of manically nears this grand conclusion of existence, but higher doses of psylocibin muddle the mind to such an extraordinary degree and all discovered though is certainly lost to confusion.

so in a sense your right here, though your conclusions are possibly skewed based on your mountaintop experience with LSA(this applies to nearly everything one experiences)
1. LSA is not a better psychedelic/shamanistic tool, nor is it clearer than LSD.
2. It is easier to use however, and If that's what you meant then you are certainly correct.

You also nailed the recreational aspect--those chasing a high with LSA from any source will certainly be burned at the higher dose levels by horrible vasoconstrictive feelings (it was amidst this that I did experience my first real pseudo-hallucination (auditory and visual)). Clearly at that level of dosing one is doing visceral damage.

 

[Fixed5217]

...But you do actually look different on psychedelics! If you look in the mirror and see yourself tripping hard, I wouldn't consider that a hallucination!

TBH, I think we all look like skeletons... They are the basis for our shape after all!

Perception of one's hands is always a clue that I've arrived.

Even mild psychadelics make the mirror play with one's mind, though the best is where severe distortion occurs (2c-i, shrooms, salvia, LSD, etc...).

datura and cannabis(smoked!) gave me one of most bizarre experiences; the dat acts a sort of hypnotic, and so after a couple minutes of staring into the mirror I went to the other side, looking back at me---I quickly pulled away from the entrancing result and bizarre obe and made some food...

 

[ziggo]

I've only used LSA once and it has been and still is my favorite and most intense psychedelic experience. Just ate 9 seeds.

 

[Jesusgreen]

Can I just say, what's with all the comparisons of the two drugs? Am I the only one who is somewhat confused by this?

Yes LSA is closely related to LSD, and has some similar effects, but comparing the two, or saying one is like the other, or expecting one to be like the other, is a rather ridiculous expectation in my opinion. That's like comparing phenethylamine with say 2C-E, and expecting phenethylamine to produce the same effects (exaggerated example, but hopefully you'll see my point)

LSA is LSA is LSA. LSD is LSD is LSD. Take them as what they are, if you like one but not the other, fair enough, if you like both, good for you, if you like neither, that's okay too. Neither is inherently "better" - they're both different drugs, some people will prefer one, some the other, and some will see them as both being great (or bad) in different ways.

 

[tobes09riley]

Why was he born this way?

Elliot Davies is a faggot

 

[pf echoes]

Wow, I love LSA as well. Morning Glory is much much better than the HBWR though, much more psychedelic and enlightening. 500 seeds has been a great dosage for me. I have taken a trip on them twice in the last two weeks and every one has been wonderful. Try combining them with mushrooms its so great, probably the greatest drug combination along with LSD and mushrooms. I think I enjoyed the mushrooms and LSA more though.

 

[pf echoes]

Still got about 700 seeds left probably going to dose the rest with a friend this weekend .

 

[DwayneHoover]

I have to conclude that the people raving about the seeds are just young neophytes without proper connections who have never experienced a significant dose of real pure LSD or 3g of dried psilocybin shrooms. LSA's woozy nauseating delerium cannot compare, LOL. I mean sure they are a decent dipping of your toe into the psychedelic experience, but there's a reason 99% of people move on to real drugs, man.

 

[pf echoes]

I would have to disagree with you Dwayne. LSA I have always found to be more enlightening than a high dose Psilocybin trip because Mushrooms tend to be much too confusing for most people the first few hours of the trip. Only the comedown when I begin to grasp reality and formulate my trip to I begin to find and recollect and insight. LSA however provides a very enlightening and euphoric trip comparable to a small dose of LSD, LSA has it's own experience not to be taken lightly. Most people think of it as a weak LSD and therefor have no respect for it. Either that or the sickness from the seeds simply creates an experience that they cannot seem to enjoy or trip in general. LSA has surprising calm but good visuals and is excellent in many environments. It creates a great mindstate that is not confusing so you are able to think clearly upon the world throughout the trip. This might not be the same for others but LSA has proven to be a great psychedelic and deserves respect.

 

[pf echoes]

Sadly I cannot give a honest opinion comparing it to LSD because I have only had low doses with it. Psilocybin however I have had many high dose experiences and although I love them for what they are what they give but LSA has always taken what I have learned from Mushrooms and magnified it into a understandable, clear way that is much easier for most humans to understand. It might not be quite as recreational which is also another reason why I like it so much. Anyone can take a dose of Mushrooms or LSD and just do it to get fucked up, but LSA requires attention and is much more shamanic in some cases. Looking at it with this light prepares you to look at the world in a different way or actually learn something rather than just using the drug to trip out. If taking LSA in this way you will most likely not enjoy it because of the sickness. Another reason why I like them, they tend to root out those not worthy.

 

[slimvictor]

I have to conclude that the people raving about the seeds are just young neophytes without proper connections who have never experienced a significant dose of real pure LSD or 3g of dried psilocybin shrooms. LSA's woozy nauseating delerium cannot compare, LOL. I mean sure they are a decent dipping of your toe into the psychedelic experience, but there's a reason 99% of people move on to real drugs, man.

I am most definitely not a neophyte, with almost 25 years of tripping experience.
I have had at least 100 intense trips, including on LSD and shrooms (my max is 4.5 grams small, closed-capped cubensis, very strong!).

I love LSA. I have had about 10-12 experiences.
I did a cold water extraction last time, and felt no nausea at all.
I am planning on exploring further, when I get a chance...

 

[Fixed5217]

I am most definitely not a neophyte, with almost 25 years of tripping experience.
I have had at least 100 intense trips, including on LSD and shrooms (my max is 4.5 grams small, closed-capped cubensis, very strong!).

I love LSA. I have had about 10-12 experiences.
I did a cold water extraction last time, and felt no nausea at all.
I am planning on exploring further, when I get a chance...

I feel you here...kinda.
Victor's mostly correct in his broad generalization. There is value in LSA; though it's certainly not worthwhile to endure the side effects of MG's for the ok trip.

HBWR's are pretty good, but it's something you have to be patient with and definitely more of the head-space of a true trip than anything else.

The problem is that once people grasp a true trip, they abandon the subtle rewards of LSA.

 

[Fixed5217]

I would have to disagree with you Dwayne. LSA I have always found to be more enlightening than a high dose Psilocybin trip because Mushrooms tend to be much too confusing for most people the first few hours of the trip. Only the comedown when I begin to grasp reality and formulate my trip to I begin to find and recollect and insight. LSA however provides a very enlightening and euphoric trip comparable to a small dose of LSD, LSA has it's own experience not to be taken lightly. Most people think of it as a weak LSD and therefor have no respect for it. Either that or the sickness from the seeds simply creates an experience that they cannot seem to enjoy or trip in general. LSA has surprising calm but good visuals and is excellent in many environments. It creates a great mindstate that is not confusing so you are able to think clearly upon the world throughout the trip. This might not be the same for others but LSA has proven to be a great psychedelic and deserves respect.

Your right on one thing: LSA is a much clearer trip than the shrooms, but there are no visuals to speak of--at least not the overwhelming kind like high dose LSD presents; and certainly not the caliber of near anything else

 

[acidclouds]

Had my first LSA experience with HBWR seeds yesterday. Chewed 8 seeds and and kept them in my mouth for 30 mins before swallowing (I hadnt eaten for 12 hours).

Experienced mild nausea (would be willing to endure far worse for a good trip) from about 1 hour after consuming and forced myself to vomit after 2 hours then felt fine for the rest of the trip. No cramping or noticable vasoconstriction which was good because I was a bit worried about that.

The experience was very mild but pleasant with a slightly psychedelic headspace and no visuals. The mildness from 8 seeds means I must have weak seeds as erowid lists 8 seeds as a "common-strong" dosage.

The most obvious difference from LSD was that it was so much less stimulating which was nice. I find LSD to be more stimulating than would be ideal whereas LSA felt very relaxed and slow. However, that is nowhere near worth the sacrifice of visuals which I love on LSD.

So overall a very mild but somewhat enjoyable experience that makes me want to try them again with a much higher dose. Even then though I think I will really really miss the visuals.

Should I increase to 12 seeds or go straight to 16 (theyre from the same batch)?

 

[Fixed5217]

Had my first LSA experience with HBWR seeds yesterday. Chewed 8 seeds and and kept them in my mouth for 30 mins before swallowing (I hadnt eaten for 12 hours).

Experienced mild nausea (would be willing to endure far worse for a good trip) from about 1 hour after consuming and forced myself to vomit after 2 hours then felt fine for the rest of the trip. No cramping or noticable vasoconstriction which was good because I was a bit worried about that.

The experience was very mild but pleasant with a slightly psychedelic headspace and no visuals. The mildness from 8 seeds means I must have weak seeds as erowid lists 8 seeds as a "common-strong" dosage.

The most obvious difference from LSD was that it was so much less stimulating which was nice. I find LSD to be more stimulating than would be ideal whereas LSA felt very relaxed and slow. However, that is nowhere near worth the sacrifice of visuals which I love on LSD.

So overall a very mild but somewhat enjoyable experience that makes me want to try them again with a much higher dose. Even then though I think I will really really miss the visuals.

Should I increase to 12 seeds or go straight to 16 (theyre from the same batch)?

As far as HBWR or LSA-containing seeds go, 12 is my sweet spot. 16 causes unpleasant body load/vasoconstriction and no real qualitative bonuses to the 12 trip.

On a serious suggestion to augment your trip--don't chew the things; pulverize and parachute them(cheap coffee grinder, etc.)--this helps maximize absorption.
Also those shits are really basic(pH not simplicity...). They also act as a buffer--laymans terms: you need to add acid to your stomach to help digestion(like taking tums with a vike, etc.). 100% Juice OJ is killer in this dept.-drink a quart or two; Tropicana is my shit here.

Try those suggestions with 12 seeds and get back with me; doing HBWR in that manner was the most I ever got out of the LSA trip.

 

[acidclouds]

Thanks Fixed5217 I'll try 12 with some OJ next time - I have no idea if you're correct about the acid thing but it couldnt hurt so may as well try.

As for grinding them and parachuting I'd be surprised if that improved absorbtion much over chewing as your teeth really grind them up and the LSA would absorb sublingually and as you swallow but again I'll give it a go and report back.

Thanks

 

[PROZ4C]

Thanks Fixed5217 I'll try 12 with some OJ next time - I have no idea if you're correct about the acid thing but it couldnt hurt so may as well try.

As for grinding them and parachuting I'd be surprised if that improved absorbtion much over chewing as your teeth really grind them up and the LSA would absorb sublingually and as you swallow but again I'll give it a go and report back.

Thanks

I've had some good trips chewing them up and swallowing... but most of the time it ends up in me under-dosing, usually taking half of what I bought for an intended trip.

It's not only the taste there is something in those seeds that just doesn't mix well at all with your tastebuds and will initiate the nausea reflex after you start getting into them... the resulting state is of utter disgust...

I can powder a bunch of it up, cap, and drop just fine and have nothing but minor queezyness for only an hour instead of a horrid come up experience when actually chewing them.

No difference in potency for me in capping/parachuting vs. chewing... Only difference is if I don't chew them I am able to handle so much more.

My experience with CWE is that i need atleast double to get the same effects if I am lucky, I don't even bother with it. I will gladly pay a hour or so of unease for an amazing all day trip. If anything its a sense of purging negative energy, just dealing with it all and then being done with it for good. MG's HBWR have such a shamanistic type vibe to them and I love it.

It's funny... that first hour where I might feel kind of queezy and generally uncomfortable are usually accompanied by a surge of negative and worrisome thoughts that I have been carrying along with me of recently (just daily life grind type things, maybe some bigger things if there are any at the moment)... but then once that come up phase is over and I start tripping its like a bomb goes off and all those negatives are just blown to pieces and its just blissful perspective that makes everything just... perfect.

At a festival or concert, yeah give me LSD over LSA (MG/HBWR) anyday.... not even a question...

But when it comes to life changing / positive / shamanistic trips... LSA honestly mops the floor with LSD.

Apples and oranges, love them both equally though. Like comparing a hammer vs. a screw driver, each do very different things but are great in their own way.

^they used them for centuries for a reason (Aztecs^.... the Mayans used them too)