What should I do here?

[psychopath]

I have been working out off and on for about 10 years. I have been lifting on a regular basis for for about 18 months.

I am 6'1" 229. I have roughly 13% body fat. I am 25 years old. I am a anabolic steroid virgin. I take expensive vitamins and always consume large amounts of protein (powder mainly, eggs or baked chicken otherwise) after workout. I also regularly use a creatine/protein/amino acid combo prior to workout. My vitamins contain nearly all of the amino acids (plenty of glutamine as well). My diet has been good throughout the last year and a half.

I have plateaued for about 5 weeks at 455 on bench press, 630 on squat, and 745 on dead lift. I typically do power lifting workouts instead of body building.

I am considering a cycle of deca-durabolin and equipoise (not sure of doses, but I do know it is a huge needle into your ass). The second option is a shorter cycle of Hgh (it is way more expensive)

A buddy of mine did 3 cycles (I believe) of the deca and equipoise and is 5'11" 238 and lean as hell. He is an absolute beast. You can see veins and muscle definition that you rarely see. He put on about 21 lbs after his cycles. He said he had incredible energy throughout. His different maxes and rep weights went up often and he put on weight every week with a shrinking waist line as well. He became more and more lean (I know power lifting is more about mass and body building is more about definition, but still).

I am aware of the necessity of hormone supplements possibly during and certainly following a cycle.

I take Cymbalta 60 1x, Lamotrigine 200mg 1x, and Vyvanse 60 mg 1x for my bipolar. I smoke weed fairly often and opiates to a lesser extent. I hate benzos, and my Vyvanse takes care of the desire for speed.

Opinions?

 

[Kastr0]

Dude from what i've read your physical attributes are amazing, I know some people who take steroids and dont have what you have!

If I were you i'd stay natural and keep up the good work, dont do steroids just because your friend is. He may look more defined but who cares, at least you can say you achieved your physique naturally.

Give yourself a pat on the back for all the hard work you put in and keep doing your thing, theres no need for you to do steroids man.

 

[psychopath]

There is never really a need unless you have muscular dystrophy or AIDS or something, Right?

Anyone who regularly lifts wants to do more weight and get bigger, right?

 

[Voxide]

Lmao. Do NOT run a "short" cycle of HGH. This is emphasized 10000000x if you were planning on running it alone; in which case, you have done no research and should stay away from any anabolics.



If you're focused on strength, I'd recommend Drol with Test. Halo would be even better but I doubt you would be able to find any of that. Don't lean toward Deca with EQ just because your friend did it. I'd say that you would likely turn out nothing like him. You need to consider all other factors here. We're all different. There are guys who get shut down for months after deca even with a top-notch PCT. Your lifts are far better than what you could possibly do in the bodybuilding department. I would definitely keep getting stronger if I were you. And honestly, I hate recommending specific drugs for people to use because I don't know you personally, and I don't know if the drol I recommended to you would make you piss your liver out. Whatever though, being careful with your cycle is your job. The sides on drol aren't too bad for some, fucking terrible for others. But, this would by far be the best option if you're looking for a healthy boost in each of those numbers. Really hope you like water weight, though.

Also, I didn't notice until now, but you take a lot of fucking drugs. Be careful. Cut some of that shit out if it isn't absolutely necessary.

 

[TRENZYME]

a cycle of 500-750mg test e per week with 12.5mg aromasin ed will be good starting point mate, tren drol halo methyl trein ect will give epic strength gains but also has harsh sides and not for beginners, a good dose of test with ai is the perfect first cycle imo, make sure you have pct planned to
my fave cycle was 6 weeks
100mg prop ed
100mg tren ed
100mg oxy ed
10ius slin pwo
i went from doing 220kg squats for 1 rep to 5 good (ass to the grass)reps.. my joints sufferd and felt flu with high like towards the end

 

[psychopath]

Lmao. Do NOT run a "short" cycle of HGH. This is emphasized 10000000x if you were planning on running it alone; in which case, you have done no research and should stay away from any anabolics.

I have done way more research on the deca and equipose because those two were my initial intent

Also, I didn't notice until now, but you take a lot of fucking drugs. Be careful. Cut some of that shit out if it isn't absolutely necessary.

I am not a quality member of society without my psych meds.... The weed could probably be cut back...

 

[Voxide]

I have done way more research on the deca and equipose because those two were my initial intent



I am not a quality member of society without my psych meds.... The weed could probably be cut back...

Whatever gear you choose, stay far away from the HGH money pit. If you don't run it with at least a gram of gear then all you'll enjoy is a 2%-3% drop in body fat that will cost you a grand. GH is for guys who truly cannot grow any more and have reached their ceiling, even with regular gear. There is no such thing as a short GH cycle bro. Guys stay on that shit for YEARS. Taking into consideration that you're a beginner, I'd recommend straight Testosterone. Kind of overlooked that fact when I suggested the anadrol. Probably not a good idea. If those lifts of yours really are legit, then it's up to you what direction you want to go in.


Yes, it could be cut back. As well as anything else that truly isn't necessary. I mean, don't get off your psych meds if you're gonna end up going on a murderous rampage, but you get the point. Avoid recreational bullshitting.

 

[im3rdworld]

is it true that if 1 decides to run deca and eq they still have to run test with it to avoid low sex drive and other factors associated with low test cause both deca and eq r weak androgens

 

[auhsoJ]

is it true that if 1 decides to run deca and eq they still have to run test with it to avoid low sex drive and other factors associated with low test cause both deca and eq r weak androgens

Yes, this is very true. Test should always be the ground from which you stand on.

 

[Voxide]

is it true that if 1 decides to run deca and eq they still have to run test with it to avoid low sex drive and other factors associated with low test cause both deca and eq r weak androgens

Guys have been shut down for MONTHS after stopping a deca cycle. Test should absolutely be used with every cycle, especially deca.

 

[theartofwar]

I have been working out off and on for about 10 years. I have been lifting on a regular basis for for about 18 months.

I am 6'1" 229. I have roughly 13% body fat. I am 25 years old. I am a anabolic steroid virgin. I take expensive vitamins and always consume large amounts of protein (powder mainly, eggs or baked chicken otherwise) after workout. I also regularly use a creatine/protein/amino acid combo prior to workout. My vitamins contain nearly all of the amino acids (plenty of glutamine as well). My diet has been good throughout the last year and a half.

I have plateaued for about 5 weeks at 455 on bench press, 630 on squat, and 745 on dead lift. I typically do power lifting workouts instead of body building.

I am considering a cycle of deca-durabolin and equipoise (not sure of doses, but I do know it is a huge needle into your ass). The second option is a shorter cycle of Hgh (it is way more expensive)

A buddy of mine did 3 cycles (I believe) of the deca and equipoise and is 5'11" 238 and lean as hell. He is an absolute beast. You can see veins and muscle definition that you rarely see. He put on about 21 lbs after his cycles. He said he had incredible energy throughout. His different maxes and rep weights went up often and he put on weight every week with a shrinking waist line as well. He became more and more lean (I know power lifting is more about mass and body building is more about definition, but still).

I am aware of the necessity of hormone supplements possibly during and certainly following a cycle.

I take Cymbalta 60 1x, Lamotrigine 200mg 1x, and Vyvanse 60 mg 1x for my bipolar. I smoke weed fairly often and opiates to a lesser extent. I hate benzos, and my Vyvanse takes care of the desire for speed.

Opinions?

Be easy on the opies while on cycle seen plenty of good bros go down with a stroke like that - just fyi - as for the cycle sure it's good except NO TEST and it's your first cycle. No need to run deca / eq - run test, it's best for a reason. Add compounds individually i mean as is are you gonna know if the sides are 19nor related due to deca or are they cuz of eq ?? Be safe brother, you certainly are old enough and all hat jazz but just get a couple vials of test 500mg week for 12 weeks , nolvadex for pct is a much better option.

 

[PARooolller]

Yes, this is very true. Test should always be the ground from which you stand on.

yeah but there is no reason to take 500mgs or more your first cycle...people get so caught up listening to these "bros" online...one shot of test a week is superior and will result in virtually no sides...if you're opting for prop, i'd suggest 3x a week shots of 100mg..so roughly 300mg test a week...throw in a steroid like low dose var (40-50mg) or some low dose dbol...

 

[auhsoJ]

I guess I got caught up in the bro talk. I ran 500mg/week my first time.
I'm running 600mg/week now. Both times I split it up into two shots. I probably have naturally low test so it makes me "normal". (or does it)

 

[PARooolller]

I guess I got caught up in the bro talk. I ran 500mg/week my first time.
I'm running 600mg/week now. Both times I split it up into two shots. I probably have naturally low test so it makes me "normal". (or does it)

should've gotten your levels checked beforehand...your androgen receptors are most likely going to require that you increase your dosages considering you jumped into your first 2 cycles rather fast..by the way, how is your cycle going? is your gear legit? how is the anavar?

 

[auhsoJ]

I haven't started the var and the test is just beginning to kick in. You did a few cycles of PH before thinking about AS didn't you? ( I gathered that from older posts) That test only cycle was my first time being "unnatural".

I'm really sure the stuff is legit. It was the same consistency and color of the first stuff. The effects are roughly the same so far. Even though I tried hard to block out any "WOW I FEEL SO MUCH DIFFERENT" effects I tended to feel like that the first time. Now I know better. I get these tinges of aggression and occasionally get (internally) impatient but it's probably more me than the hormone. My overall mood has improved but they also may be the lingers effects of my 'nighttime weed'.

 

[PARooolller]

I haven't started the var and the test is just beginning to kick in. You did a few cycles of PH before thinking about AS didn't you? ( I gathered that from older posts) That test only cycle was my first time being "unnatural".

I'm really sure the stuff is legit. It was the same consistency and color of the first stuff. The effects are roughly the same so far. Even though I tried hard to block out any "WOW I FEEL SO MUCH DIFFERENT" effects I tended to feel like that the first time. Now I know better. I get these tinges of aggression and occasionally get (internally) impatient but it's probably more me than the hormone. My overall mood has improved but they also may be the lingers effects of my 'nighttime weed'.

Yea I ran a cycle of epistane and another harsher compound a few years back...I don't know man, these effects sound very subtle for the dosage you are using....500mg of test in a first-second timer should produce some pretty noticable effects in terms of aggression, libido, and appetite...but then again, you know your body the best...what are you gonna run the var at?

 

[auhsoJ]

Yea I ran a cycle of epistane and another harsher compound a few years back...I don't know man, these effects sound very subtle for the dosage you are using....500mg of test in a first-second timer should produce some pretty noticable effects in terms of aggression, libido, and appetite...but then again, you know your body the best...what are you gonna run the var at?

I found myself getting impatient with slow people along with a strong desire to kill the old but I feel like that all the time. There was some form of boner madness. I went from deadlifting 365x2 to repping it. I felt confident and content during it's course. I was eating more than I normally did. (Had an entire pizza for a cheat meal a few times) It wasn't some crazy magic serum though. I also didn't start at 150lbs. I guess those could all be placebo effects and I was actually IMing corn syrup. 8)

Everywhere I've read 500mg is a good starting point for beginners. Maybe my test is super low and it just makes me feel normal. I should have had my T tested beforehand but the doc didn't include it in the panel.

I'll be doing var at 50mg for the last 7-8 weeks. I was going to bump that up but figured I should see how I react first.

 

[PARooolller]

good call...no need to bump var in high dosages exceeding 40 or 50mgs...despite what people have told you, var will have a profound impact on supressing your levels..much more than what is believed..how are you going to dose it? throughout the day?

 

[auhsoJ]

good call...no need to bump var in high dosages exceeding 40 or 50mgs...despite what people have told you, var will have a profound impact on supressing your levels..much more than what is believed..how are you going to dose it? throughout the day?

25mg when I wake up and 25mg 4-8 hours from then. I've come to this reading other experiences.

 

[Voxide]

Everywhere I've read 500mg is a good starting point for beginners. Maybe my test is super low and it just makes me feel normal.

You realize that 500mg/week is 10 times the amount that a "normal" guy produces, right? I understand your post might have been facetious, but don't assume that the gains you made were normal when compared to natty's. The amount of test you had in your system was nowhere close compared to a guy who naturally has high test, or even a teenage kid. Believe me, it did more than make you feel normal.