2c-P lossing virginity dose

[SpecialK_]

In my opinion the consequences of a bad trip are overhyped - not to say they aren't horrible experiences however, they are as much a learning experience if not more so than a standard trip. You'll comedown eventually, if someone was permanently altered by a bad trip and the end result was suicide I would strongly believe there was another problem such as depression. You can have a bad trip on a tiny dose of acid - I've seen it happen. High doses with 2cs aren't as taxing as people believe, they give you a relatively clear headspace as opposed to a high dose of acid/mushrooms. I'd say for clear headspace mescaline is the way forward, followed by some of the 2cs in the more well known psychedelics.

 

[adrian89987]

You should Still always start in the LOW range when first trying a compound no matter other peoples Anecdotal experiences at higher doses. I forgot this once and gave a friend of mine 25 mg 4-AcO-DMT for his first time (I am used to me and ALL of my other friends being good but not floored at 30-35 mg). This kid ended up tripping harder than he ever had in his life to the point of not responding to the outside world even though everyone else who ate 10 mg more than him was good enough for conversation, luckily it was a good setting.

 

[3rd_I_blind]

In my opinion the consequences of a bad trip are overhyped - not to say they aren't horrible experiences however, they are as much a learning experience if not more so than a standard trip. You'll comedown eventually, if someone was permanently altered by a bad trip and the end result was suicide I would strongly believe there was another problem such as depression. You can have a bad trip on a tiny dose of acid - I've seen it happen. High doses with 2cs aren't as taxing as people believe, they give you a relatively clear headspace as opposed to a high dose of acid/mushrooms. I'd say for clear headspace mescaline is the way forward, followed by some of the 2cs in the more well known psychedelics.

I agree with you in general. However, there are always people that do not trip in an appropriate setting, where the combination of threatening surroundings and internal struggle might lead to problems. For instance, taking 15 mg of 2C-P when you are by yourself in a cabin in the woods, or taking a heavy portion of shrooms in crowded Amsterdam. Just to illustrate accidents are just as likely to cause an untimely demise as a case of 'bad trip'-induced suicide.

As for the clear headspace on phenethylamines, I believe 2C-P to be a major exception to this (for most people that is).

 

[guerillabedlam]

^ But can you please post a few links to the positive reports on 14+ mg of 2C-P? And who are those people who have taken up to 25 mg doses with still no effects?

I would like to see these reports, maybe I'll change my opinion about 2C-P.

Well here is the link to my initial trip report with it, I'll highlight some responses from other people's experiences at the 14+ mgs range.

http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=409733&f=126

*2. 15mg at 10:00 a.m.
-I was outside, on a hike. We went to some cliffs and sat on these giant rocks in a dark, moist canyon. We talked and laughed.
-It was pretty similar to 12 mg.
-Being more exposed to nature made some differences, though. I have a fear of insects (a pretty good one). It was nowhere to be found while on 2c-P.
-I felt like laying and hugging the giant boulder I was sitting on. I layed down, touching the side of my face to this dusty, slightly mossy boulder in absolute comfort.
-Heightened senses were more apparent. When listening to music, singers' voices were broken down and , at times, sounded 8-bit.
-The effects of this drug, for me, are more evident when you don't concentrate on them. Audible and visual effects seem to be stronger and more apparent when I unfocus my eyes, mind and ears.

^Sounds better than my trials in the 20 mg. range.

*This morning I dosed 21 mg 2cp before work at about 8 am. Worked for 9.75 hours while on it, hardly noticed any visuals at all, though maybe very limited bending and morphing or stuff seeming to shift without moving if I unfocused my eyes. On a previous 2cp trip, I remember looking out the window and it seemed like the ground and everything outside was slowly shifting up while not going anywhere overall. I did notice that I seemed to be more thoughtful and curious, as well as more talkative."

*However, I have found that it's very best quality is in the magical fusion of it with LSD. LSD and 2cp mix so perfectly, and the most intense trip I have ever had was with three hits of acid and then a snorted line of 10-15 mgs of 2cp. It was on this trip that I finally understood how those trippy youtube videos come to be, all I had to do was close my eyes while listening to music and Images were created matching perfectly with the song playing.


Those are different reports separated by the * and that second one is a response to the first one. I don't condone working on or insuffalating 2cp btw.

 

[pf echoes]

Be careful with snorting this stuff. Don't want anyone to miss dose and kill themselves then we will have a real problem.

 

[3rd_I_blind]

Well here is the link to my initial trip report with it, I'll highlight some responses from other people's experiences at the 14+ mgs range.

http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=409733&f=126

/other reports/

Interesting to read these reports. However, these reports have absolutely no resemblance to our (me and my buddies) experiences with 2C-P. Definitely makes me wonder how that could be, since your 2C-P was obtained from a trusted vendor and ours was even lab-tested confirmed 2C-P. For us, come-up generally lasted for 2.5-3 hours, while the trip was absolutely balls-to-the-wall, lasting for at least 14-16 hours and overwhelmingly visual (on 6-7 mg I might add). Your own report and parts from the highlights really sound 2C-T-7'ish, while I personally would rather think of 2C-P as 2C-E's big brother.

 

[guerillabedlam]

Interesting to read these reports. However, these reports have absolutely no resemblance to our (me and my buddies) experiences with 2C-P. Definitely makes me wonder how that could be, since your 2C-P was obtained from a trusted vendor and ours was even lab-tested confirmed 2C-P. For us, come-up generally lasted for 2.5-3 hours, while the trip was absolutely balls-to-the-wall, lasting for at least 14-16 hours and overwhelmingly visual (on 6-7 mg I might add). Your own report and parts from the highlights really sound 2C-T-7'ish, while I personally would rather think of 2C-P as 2C-E's big brother.

Keep in mind I took it rectally, which usually causes faster onset and shorter duration, I have taken 2cp orally as well though. I'm not even sure I would feel anything from 8 mgs of 2ct7, It's possible my 2cp wasn't the most pure but I know it wasn't a different chem, I tried the batch multiple times.