Enlightenment like how?

[.Lucid.]

Mmk..


I knew I shouldnt have bothered with this thread lol

 

[Dedbeet]

The ego/'me' wants to be out there, and being looked at by others.

And is kind of afraid/rejecting of being right here, looking out through one's eyes.

If it goes away, you're neither of the two, because your being is no longer two-sided.

 

[Dedbeet]

Mmk..
I knew I shouldnt have bothered with this thread lol

Never bother with the obvious, unless it's a good reminder of one's focus on the obscure, and subsequent doubts and fears.

 

[.Lucid.]

what?

 

[Dedbeet]

what?

If at this moment, while reading this, you're not inside yourself looking straight out through your eyes (ya know what I mean) -- then it turns out I typed this message and sent it to a psychological illusion.

That'd be nothing unusual, so I like talking about this stuff a lot.

Peace...

 

[vegan]

Enlightenment is the realization that there is no enlightenment. Think about that.

thought about it for 1 second

wanted to tell you that because you've never been to the restaurant at the corner of my street doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. you just don't know about it
but someone who has eaten there can tell you how it tasted

 

[Dedbeet]

thought about it for 1 second

wanted to tell you that because you've never been to the restaurant at the corner of my street doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. you just don't know about it
but someone who has eaten there can tell you how it tasted

"Enlightenment" may be simple, but that doesn't mean it's a simple definition.

It seems to me that "Enlightenment is the realization there is no enlightenment" is not simple, but simplistic.

"Reality" is simple, but not simplistic.

Anything but.

Peace...

 

[Dedbeet]

I could actually offer a sort of definition of enlightenment, although it might imply I think of myself as enlightened. Them's the breaks with this sort of talk.

Enlightenment is sacrificing everything... and I mean everything... to "moment to moment".

And finding that you didn't lose anything.

Peace...

 

[eLeSaH]

Enlightenment is like remembering and knowing AGAIN. I hope some people understand.

 

[.Lucid.]

thought about it for 1 second

wanted to tell you that because you've never been to the restaurant at the corner of my street doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. you just don't know about it
but someone who has eaten there can tell you how it tasted

maybe you should spend another whole second thinking about it lol. the statement is a paradox meant to override the thinking mind.. its not really suppose to make sense on a logical level. so way to miss the point entirely.

enlightenment = no enlightenment

everything = nothing = everything = nothing = everything = nothing... and so on for infinity.



id just like to thank all the contributors to this thread for reminding me why i stopped posting here.. 8)

 

[panic in paradise]

yet

nothing = something = anything


can this be dis-proven, broken, shown anywhere to not contain the facet of creation?

lack of light = standing in shade


its not enlightenment only, its also an 'inner-compass-ment' and acceptance there of.

 

[EmanoN]

To me, IMO, enlightenment is directly related to something traumatic to the individual. For me, it happen to be "losing someone very close to me", which made me start questioning everything. Certainty does not exist for me now, and all possibilities are now an option. I am new and at the beginning of my experience, which makes me very confused yet very excited and open-minded. To anyone else, I may just appear to be going increasingly crazy by the moment. This no longer concerns me and I no longer try to explain myself to anyone. It is my journey, and I can not take anyone with me, as much as i would love too.
My true freedom is that I have unanswered questions and am eagerly awaiting whatever the answers may be.
If you woke up tomorrow and found "everything" you ever knew to be the truth was different or opposite, would you be able to accept, cope, and adapt?

Personally, I am expecting nothing, hoping for everything, and prepared for anything.

 

[Dedbeet]

Look into the void

Ya know, people are going on spiritual quests and etc. because they don't want to look at "what's beyond the mind".

One very clear gaze into the abyss would clear things up, but the 'me' is afraid.

The only way to get past this is to look anyway. The 'me' will always be afraid. It feels nothing but fear and want/need. That is its constitution. My, how we romanticize things.

Peace...

 

[B9]

The mind can be empty, the ability to do this at will is an art, the mind can be filled with interaction with the material, the ability to switch on & off at the appropriate time is a good thing, maybe not enlightenment just wu wei - the art of doing nothing efficiently

 

[vegan]

everything = nothing = everything = nothing = everything = nothing... and so on for infinity.

i spent another second thinking about this
(no need for more since others had come up with the same "idea" before and i had already thought about it)

... it bothers me when people give drugs a bad reputation

id just like to thank all the contributors to this thread for reminding me why i stopped posting here

are you talking about people who don't agree with you?

or people who take wannabe insights from their magical hat and leave it here without any hint of an explanation?

it took me 1 sec to remember it was nonsense
but did it take you more than 20 seconds to write it?

if you're ready to put actual effort in your posts and argument what would be perceived as nonsense by people with an average brain, like me, everyone will be happy to ponder them

until then, i leave you to your own words :

I don't know what the fuck the op is talking about but...

I knew I shouldnt have bothered with this thread

 

[.Lucid.]

lol 8(

so i dont even know where to begin to respond to that little rant but..

are you talking about people who don't agree with you?

or people who take wannabe insights from their magical hat and leave it here without any hint of an explanation?

actually im talking about people like you who ramble on without really saying anything at all lol. there isnt really much i said to "agree with" anyway, you either get what i meant or you dont. clearly you dont.

i mean, do you really not know what a paradox is and understand the relevance of one to the topic of enlightenment? if you dont comprehend what i was trying to say thats fine but i cant imagine why you seem so personally offended by it lol..

... it bothers me when people give drugs a bad reputation

and im sure ill regret asking this, seeing as this thread is completely retarded and going absolutely no where and you make absolutely no sense whatsoever... but how exactly am i giving drugs a bad reputation? i didnt even mention drugs once in any of my posts lol..

 

[Raw Evil]

Enlightenment is the realization that there is no enlightenment. Think about that.

I think I get it. There's no "moment of awakening" after which the individual is permanently enlightened. It's an active state, not a passive one. You don't "become" enlightened; you must continually "do" enlightenment.

 

[.Lucid.]

aha! now we're getting somewhere

 

[Raw Evil]

Rofl, ignore the pm

 

[Dedbeet]

I think I get it. There's no "moment of awakening" after which the individual is permanently enlightened. It's an active state, not a passive one. You don't "become" enlightened; you must continually "do" enlightenment.

True, although that doesn't preclude a sudden perspective shift, from passive to active. You could term that a "moment of awakening".

Basically what happens is a shift from "outside-in" (being seen) to "inside-out" (clear seeing), and then the dissolution of outside-in as a reality, through seeing it clearly as the illusion it is.

aha! now we're getting somewhere

If you're ever "enlightened", don't expect to get somewhere . It's a state of actively going nowhere, because you lose the need to get somewhere else. How can you ever be happy or at peace, if you're never contented to be where you are?