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Enlightenment like how?

Now you're just being impossibly annoying..

im not talking about a conceptual nothingness, obviously the word "nothing" is just a sign post pointing to the nameless, unspeakable, infinite realm of the formless. We use the word nothing so we can have this pointtless conversation.
 
The formless is form.

Everything is already nothing.

We never left the nameless, unspeakable, infinite realm of the formless.

Do you really think it's wanted, though? Come ON!

"My life is worthless... I feel like I'm nothing... things are hopeless... life sucks".

Peace...
 
Lucid, please stop making sarcastic posts devoid of any real content. I've unapproved a few already. You said you were going to withdraw from this horrible, timewasting thread. If you can't be civil and constructive, please do so.
 
Lol I know I know im tryin.. this thread is just super frustrating
"Just when I thought I was out they pull me back in"



ok this time im really done
 
.Lucid. said:
oh look, a paradox.. identification with nothing is the end of identification.
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Not really.
  • To identify with nothing is to say "Hey, see this 'me' here? It's the same thing as the concept of nothingness."
  • To cease to identify is to never even mention it or ask the question of yourself.

These are different things. The first is an idea (and as such, frequently the first refuge of the intellectual when presented with the idea of non-identification - where I often still find myself today), whereas the second is a state of mind where one chooses to not build such ideas.
 
lol raw. youve misunderstood.. having no identity is the same thing as identifying with nothing.



but i gotta get out of this thread. pm me if you need me to explain it to you.
 
.Lucid. said:
lol raw. youve misunderstood.. but i gotta get out of this thread. pm me if you want me to explain it to you.
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You're welcome to stay and post here. It's just more productive when everyone keeps a cool head (including myself!).

I guess I have been parsing your phrasing rather literally. When I see "identify with nothing" I think of "identifying with the concept of nothingness" rather than "to identify with no objects, ideas or concepts". I'm guessing that that's Dedbeet's interpretation too.

Is this how I have misunderstood?
 
Raw Evil said:
Not really.
  • To identify with nothing is to say "Hey, see this 'me' here? It's the same thing as the concept of nothingness."
  • To cease to identify is to never even mention it or ask the question of yourself.
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You're free to talk about 'me', knowing it as illusion.

You're free, basically. Whatever occurs is OK.

Others have not misunderstood, or done anything wrong either. Others are not around... only "this consciousness here" is ever around.
 
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No one has any hope of achieving what they already have, and are. That is the biggest trick and joke. Existence has played a joke on everyone, through the assumption that the one perceiving existence, exists separately from existence.

Enlightenment is just seeing what is already the case -- through seeing what isn't the case.

Seeing that what one always took to be the case, isn't the case.

"The snake is really just a rope", if ya will.
 
CoffeeDrinker said:
Do blulighters have any hope of enlightenment?
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Well, sure. This is just a small figment of your everyday doings. This, along with most of the other things we do throughout our day, are geared toward desire. A Bluelighter can be enlightened to his inner nature and not be attached to Bluelight. Or you can work toward enlightenment with the help of Bluelight! Win-win situation! :)
 
Dispassion. Unattachment. "Witnessing attitude". Going with the flow.

Never as bad as it sounds.

Huge hidden benefits.

Peace...
 
I'm curious, what exactly is your take on enlightenment?
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the question is pretty broad.
i'll try just a few sentences and you tell me if that's enough

[i'm not saying that "enlightenment is like this, period". only that there is at least one person for who the following comments apply]

the state of enlightenment that i'm aware of is not linked to definitions coming from any religions

different people experience it differently
some people may reach it and then "loose" it
others may loose it but "remember" it; stay in this state; stay in between; be on constant progression to this state, etc.

so there are not only non-enlightened or enlightened / black or white states
there are all shades of grey and you can even go back to a former darker one even though you were progressing to white


it most likely comes in the form of an epiphany
but i see no reason why this epiphany could not appear over a long period of time

the insights of the epiphany may be too hard to explain with human language or even clearly comprehend with the human brain

it is life changing
except if you suppress the insights for various reasons (too hard to accept; still want to fit in; couldn't make sense out of them and think it was just a delirium; etc.)

an instance of insight, which has been reported by many others, is the realisation that we all/the whole universe/ share the same consiousness

i suppose that for many this comes with empathy and altruism

it helps you relativise many, if not all, matters
depending on "how enlightened" you are, you may not be bothered by any of your problems anymore, may not fear death anymore, reconsider the value of life
you may be able to deeply care for a cause without letting the suffering it produces prevent you from acting effectively to improve it

you feel at peace with yourself
don't feel lost
are confident.. just of being
may still yearn for more answers but not be frustrated by the lack of them
don't feel yourself as a human (or only partly) but as the whole universe

there is a feeling of awareness and understanding of the universe, even though it may not be possible to put it into human words

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that was my take in a few sentences
for more, i'll need you to ask precise questions, thanks
 
~1:45 seconds of more then i could waste any-ones time trying to 'say' of my thoughts(yet i like to share) - "consistent love of life. No matter the circumstances" - this is just great "Simply Live", thanks for the perfect mile-long tight rope to 'the other side' ...
though it is true, ill guess.
 
What would happen if everyone were in a never-ending state of enlightenment? What types of things would transpire? What is the nature of the illusion or the false self? How and why does the illusion begin? What is the meaning of illusion? Why is the state of enlightenment portrayed as a positive thing and not just neutral? Does the true self have a family? Why is the illusion portrayed as being a source of pain and not also of other things?

How do you give up your ego without giving up your personal relationships? They're not real?

Whenever I hear about these ideas or experience things like them I feel like I'm standing at the edge of a vast expanse of dread, despair, and loneliness.
 
wykydtron said:
What would happen if everyone were in a never-ending state of enlightenment? What types of things would transpire? What is the nature of the illusion or the false self? How and why does the illusion begin? What is the meaning of illusion? Why is the state of enlightenment portrayed as a positive thing and not just neutral? Does the true self have a family? Why is the illusion portrayed as being a source of pain and not also of other things?

How do you give up your ego without giving up your personal relationships? They're not real?

Whenever I hear about these ideas or experience things like them I feel like I'm standing at the edge of a vast expanse of dread, despair, and loneliness.
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acceptance.?
 
wykydtron said:
How do you give up your ego without giving up your personal relationships? They're not real?
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It's not so much giving up personal relationships as much as it is becoming detached from them as an identification of your self. You can still love someone deeply, but your not identifying yourself through them.

The self will always attempt to define itself through some means; weather that be through other people, society, culture, emotions, thoughts.. but these are all fleeting forms arising within your awareness, your caught in a self-perpetuating desire for union through identifying with these fleeting forms, which ultimately disappear from your awareness causing suffering.

It comes down to absolute acceptance of the moment; which in my experience is a continual on-going process. Your awareness of the moment and everything arising within it, is who you truly are.. the ever-present silent witness.
 
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> > Naah... the actual is real, as it actualizes, and simultaneously
> > disappears... without ceasing, without stopping, without ever even slowing down.
> >
> > Thoughts included, of course.
> >
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> Call it ceaseless change, if ya like.
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> You see, the changeless is the illusion.
>
> Except for the changelessly ever-changing.

Which this awareness here *is* -- in perfect, synchronous, ever-changing mutation.

Thus, to say one is in touch with reality, is no different than ceaselessly being the ever-changing reality one is in touch with.

It's deeper than merely "being in touch with" -- it's non-separation, ever here, ever now, actually FELT as pure intimacy, absence of separation.

One is now ever at-one with one's surroundings -- which are no longer surroundings, they're the one seeing them.

That is enlightenment.

Peace...
 
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