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MDMA + Piperazine after a long interval?

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Blurpinkle

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Ok so,

At about 8pm last night, a friend handed me what were believed to be two mdma pills in a little baggy. He is a friend not a dealer and not really an mdma doer so he could not give me much info. He apologized that they had been in his pocket all day and said one was pretty crumbled up but that his friend had said he had a very good 'roll'.

Now normally, I wouldn't take something in this manner without research.. a testing kit... ect, but I hadn't had an mdma session in SUCH a long time and I knew it wasn't someone desperate to make 'money' that I got a case of the 'fuckits' and just gulped down what I believed to be two crumbly pills at 8pm.

I had what I think was a fairly 'medium' mdma experience... it's been a while probably over a year...but it definitely seemed altered, like there was something else in there going on. About 45 mins after taking it on an empty stomach I got a kind of of burpy nausea and thought I was going to puke for a moment but just kind of spit up a bit and then settled into a fairly interesting but lackluster mdma experience with again - some other oddness that I can't quite put my finger on.

Anyway.. long story short I am wishing it were a little stronger so I smoke a little weed (which I never normally do - weed alone usually either knocks me out or makes me a dumb fuck so I am not a smoker but when combined with mdma - for me at least, it is a completely different thing beautiful combo and completely reinvigorates the roll feeling.

At about 12am to 1am mark the effects are pretty much worn out but I am now very stoned - yet the stone is comfortable and interesting and a bit trippy in a good way.

I can't really sleep although I am tired... but it is not that uncomfortable anxiety feeling.... it was an interesting erotic awareness sort of stoned... eye wiggles and ect were interesting... very light hallucinations of geometric type tunnels / spirals.

So the fun part of the story which brings us to now now:

at about 3 or 4am I am actually hungry so I eat a little bit... which is odd to me.. usually I am not hungry and food seems alien.. but again it's many hours after and I've had some big tokes of pot... then I decide it's bedtime and go to put pajamas on....well low and behold as I am changing to put more comfortable clothes on, realizing I had been in my jeans the whole time and wanted some pajamas or something more comfortable, out pops another pill, in its own separate bag.... OH... wow.... I realize I had been mistaken and thought he had given me two crushed up pills in one bag and it turned out that was just one of them (it was so crumbly I really just assumed it was two pills as he said). I didn't realize at the time there were two pills in two seperate bags.

So it's now 5:40 am.... I really should be going to sleep... but I am not tired... I was able to keep some food down, and the irresistible urge case of the 'fuckits' starts to kick in again.

This time though, the pill is clearly a yellow apple... I do some research, some saying great things, some saying bad.... can't seem to make an exact match within any date / area search that looks like what I have.

I read up on piperazine just in case to be prepared and then decide to take the plunge.... it's been far enough from the first pill which was different, and I only have one of these.. that I figure even if it is this BZP piperazine stuff what harm can it be I only have one, and I'm up anyway..I only do stuff like this very very rarely and spaced out over long periods of time - so 'why not,' I say, I swallow the yellow apple.

Anyway - here I am - researching as I wait.... and then seeing conflicting stories.... that BZP in combo with mdma = very very bad at the same time but then this:

http://www.benzylpiperazine.com/protective.html

That it can actually lower the toxicity. At any case I have taken it already so I'll soon find out anyway I might as well stop worrying.

Which brings me here

6:45 am... about an hour after ingesting the yellow apple... feeling a very nice warm glow come up... knowing I am pushing myself a little bit but wondering if I am really in danger or not.

I have already searched through the threads comparing the two... just wondering.... there a few possibilities

a> the first one was a pipe and this second one is actually mdma
b> the first one was mdma+ something and this second one is a pipe
c> both were piperazine
d> both were mdma (with some possible added something or other)

Considering the long span of time between the doses.. just wondering in a harm reduction sort of way from more experienced people to discern the difference.

at about 6:20 am I start to get a little paranoid at possibly making a foolhardy 'in the moment and wanting it to last' decision.... and that brings me here

In the 20 or so minutes it has taken me to write this thread, I am definitely feeling the 2nd pill I dropped at 5:45 am

I feel amazingly good currently at 6:50 am... just wondering if by combining the two over the period of time I did if I am in any sort of danger from a poly mdma + piperazine reaction or not...

6:52 am - feeling very very nice.... not at all the sort of feelings I read about people who were sold piperazine and took it thinking it was mdma - I am very smooth.. no edgy anxiety.. I actually think the FIRST pill was probably more adulterated in this 2nd one (many hours later) feels a lot more like what I remember MDMA being.. warm... glow.... empathy.... body electric in a good way feeling..

Should I be concerned?

Heart rate seems normal....slightly elevated.
I had a benzo standing by in case of emergency... but now have not even the slightest feeling nor desire that I would need it or want it... at 6:55 am over an hour after ingesting 2nd pill (yellow apple)


Thanks - I'm not too worried. I was far more worried when I started writing this than now - feeling pretty beautiful, but figured I'd check in just to be safe on what to be aware of in case this is a very bad combo..

<3
 
Update:

7:06 am. Feeling absolutely fantastimagical and very happy with my decision... from the difference in feeling I am now pretty sure that this 2nd pill is mdma and the first one was adulterated.... the difference is amazing.... this is how I 'remember' a good mdma session was back in the day.

Drinking non caffeinated earl grey tea and water to keep hydrated.... Must leave now as typing is becoming a thing I don't want to be doing - but I will pop in to check this thread just to be safe.

Much love,

- Blurpinkle
 
I'm not sure what was or wasn't in your pills...but if the experience lasted 24 hours from two pills then I'm quite certain it was not pure MDMA. Not sure how long pipes last I've never run into them to my knowledge.
 
About 45 mins after taking it on an empty stomach I got a kind of of burpy nausea and thought I was going to puke for a moment but just kind of spit up a bit and then settled into a fairly interesting but lackluster mdma experience with again - some other oddness that I can't quite put my finger on.

fuckin a. people who sell pipes should be shot.

Glad your experience got flipped with the second bean...
 
Awesome, 24 hours of fun is the best kind of fun (I even hate that acid trips are only 12 hrs)...

"Glad your experience got flipped with the second bean.."

Exactly. Always take more! (that's obviously a joke)

"At about 12am to 1am mark the effects are pretty much worn out but I am now very stoned - yet the stone is comfortable and interesting and a bit trippy in a good way."

^
Yes, great feeling isn't it? Blissful stoned out of it and happy!
I bet your sleeping now...
 
as you dont know what you took and substance ID isnt allowed on the threads Im closing this down.

As pointed out above, if your still going for 12hours then chances are you did not consume MDMA.
 
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