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Recreational Use of Heroin

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Escapedysphoria

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I have a fairly high tolerance for opiates/opioids. The other morning I railed two caps of white china (.1 in each, or a little over) to come down from staying up all night on mdma and ketamine. I definitely enjoyed the h even though I threw up a couple times and I was high most of the day. My real question is how can you use h recreationally without turning it into a habit or turning into a junkie? How long should you space out your uses? I would like to expirience it again, but also keep my use under control.
 
My real question is how can you use h recreationally without turning it into a habit or turning into a junkie? How long should you space out your uses? I would like to expirience it again, but also keep my use under control.
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This question has been discussed many times and there isn't really an exact answer because everybody's experience is different. When you're talking about "white china", I'm assuming you're talking about a regional brand name/stamp name, which doesn't really help because those things vary from place to place, and from time to time.

In some places, "China White" is used to refer to fentanyl or a fentanyl analog, so unless you specify otherwise, I would just assume this is heroin you're talking about, right?

Heroin, like any other opiate, is addictive. Heroin is more addictive because it is a morphine pro-drug that gets the morphine into your brain faster, causing a more powerful rush of euphoria than you would experience with morphine (or another opiate). A lot of people chase that rush.

There is a Heroin Mega Thread/FAQ that answers your questions better than I can, so I recommend reading through that but here's something from the first page of the megathread that you'll find useful:

How do I avoid addiction?

The best and most surefire way to avoid addiction is to not use often. To ensure you don't get addicted, never use more than one or two days in a row, and put three to four days between each session of using. So, for example, you could use on Sunday and Monday, then take Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday off. Then you can either use again on Friday, and maybe again on Saturday, then take four days off. The more time you spend between uses, the better your chances of staving off any dependency issues.
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The megathread has lots and lots more information, so feel free to read through it for other people's experiences with using heroin recreationally. I'm going to edit out the "White China" part of your thread title because it could be misleading. PM me if you have any questions about this.

-NT
 
Yes, 'China White' usually refers to fentanyl or an analogue of fentanyl, more specifically α-methylfentanyl (which is less potent than fentanyl and longer acting than fentanyl aswell - which explains why you felt it for much of the day).

So, if it was morphine diacetate (heroin), then it must've been very, very pure. Was it more white than brown or beige?

I will let you know there is no way of using heroin (which is a only a faster acting form of morphine) without developing a powerful addiction to it. Morphine diacetate is probably one of the quickest acting forms of morphine there is, so the rush tends to be more intense than with what you'd get with morphine sulfate or morphine hydrochloride. I think there might be one morphine salt that's quicker acting, but I can't think of which salt.
 
If you already have a high opiate tolerance you clearly aren't good at spacing out your use. I put the odds you end up with a full blown heroin addiction very high.
 
If you already have a high tolerance, then the best way to avoid addiction is to avoid heroin altogether.

Easier said than done though.

But I will add; since my ex and I came off it, we did take it regularly for a while without it becoming a problem. Usually at weekends. But all that done was remind us of how good the high was, so we stopped taking it altogether because if we had kept taking it we would have went from weekly use to daily use pretty damn quick.
 
TheLostBoys said:
My question is can you snort heroin every day & be addicted to it w/o moving on to a needle?
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Not an addict but i dont see why you couldnt do it that way. I think the real issue is cost/affordability. Most people move on because of cost or they experiment once and enjoy the rush alot more causing it to become their preferred method.
 
szuko000 said:
Not an addict but i dont see why you couldnt do it that way. I think the real issue is cost/affordability. Most people move on because of cost or they experiment once and enjoy the rush alot more causing it to become their preferred method.
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This is true, those are the exact reasons I turned to the needle!
 
i definitely believe that Heroin can be used recreationally without habit/junkieness. with that said, IMO (and forgive me if i sound like a prick and/or cliche), if you have to ask how to do it, you're probably not one of those people that can pull it off. it's gonna sound odd, but i just get the feeling that people that can recreationally, responsibly use H are born with that power. also, as mentioned before, if your tolerance to opiates is already high, you shouldn't be using Heroin. seems like you would have an extremely high addiction potential. sorry that i don't have any real answers for ya or advice how to use recreationally. just wanted to throw in my two cents. best of luck with however you decide to proceed.
 
DON'T DO HEROIN unless you've been addicted before to substances and i mean serverely addicted and you got the will power now. lmao what am i saying im a junkie dont do it you'll love it tooooo much once you hit the needle you'll never use it any other way i only used the needle my first time my friend shot me up and i was gone for it was toooo goood i did it for 6 months straight. then i quit and started 3 months later and here i am. take it from me don't be an idiot mixing all those drugs in a night you'll like too much all the time
 
Like violet said, it takes a special type of person to use H and not get addicted. Anybody who asks this question isn't one of those people. End of story.
 
vvViolet said:
i definitely believe that Heroin can be used recreationally without habit/junkieness. with that said, IMO (and forgive me if i sound like a prick and/or cliche), if you have to ask how to do it, you're probably not one of those people that can pull it off. it's gonna sound odd, but i just get the feeling that people that can recreationally, responsibly use H are born with that power. also, as mentioned before, if your tolerance to opiates is already high, you shouldn't be using Heroin. seems like you would have an extremely high addiction potential. sorry that i don't have any real answers for ya or advice how to use recreationally. just wanted to throw in my two cents. best of luck with however you decide to proceed.
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Thanks for the advice. I can definitely get what you're saying, but instead of ruining my liver with apaps in percs or lortabs I can get the opiate high I always aim for through the h. I am not addicted to opiates/opioids in anyway just have had high dose binges on them every now and then
 
Escapedysphoria said:
Thanks for the advice. I can definitely get what you're saying, but instead of ruining my liver with apaps in percs or lortabs I can get the opiate high I always aim for through the h. I am not addicted to opiates/opioids in anyway just have had high dose binges on them every now and then
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Do a cold water extraction then. Lol @ thinking H won't eventually nuke your liver either. If you're trying to be safe, you are fucking with the wrong drug.

Though, smoking it I'm sure would be much safer overall than injecting the shit. Yeah, definitely smoke it since it's the hardest to OD with that method.
 
^It is difficult for one to say for sure if they have an addiction to opiates or not, but going on high dose binges could means you're certainly walking down the road to addiction, by whatever definition you choose to use.

The fact that you're trying to justify switching from the less powerful opiates (such as hydrocodone) to heroin just because of the APAP content of Vicodin, etc, isn't a good sign.

Take Voxide's advice, do a CWE. Yes, it may be easier to just switch to heroin, but you will quickly regret it.
 
Escapedysphoria said:
I just rail it, I'm not into injecting haha. Would insufflation be "less harmful" than freebasing?
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It doesn't matter. Once addiction sets in, you'll end up using the IV route.

In my opinion, smoking tar is the "safest" way to do H if you're a rec user, next to snorting powder or injecting it. Obviously the best choice is to not do it at all.


Unless you have a very solid, stable, clean, and mature connection, using H for recreation is just asking for problems. Just because the 40-year old, once in a while opiate using lawyer can do it, doesn't mean you will. I don't have a study or research to support this, and I'm too lazy to find one, but I'm almost positive that the younger you are, the more likely you are to get addicted. Don't take this personally, but I can tell that you're still young. I'm not telling you to wait, I'm telling you to be careful and take it slow. You have the rest of your life for this shit.
 
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Unless you have a very solid, stable, clean, and mature connection, using H for recreation is just asking for problems. Just because the 40-year old, once in a while opiate using lawyer can do it, doesn't mean you will. I don't have a study or research to support this, and I'm too lazy to find one, but I'm almost positive that the younger you are, the more likely you are to get addicted. Don't take this personally, but I can tell that you're still young. I'm not telling you to wait, I'm telling you to be careful and take it slow. You have the rest of your life for this shit.
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Words of wisdom. I know a lot of opiate addicts / former addicts would agree with Voxide on this one.
 
NeighborhoodThreat said:
Words of wisdom. I know a lot of opiate addicts / former addicts would agree with Voxide on this one.
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Thanks Neighborhood.


H really can be used by some without being addicted, but most of the time these are people with stable, good careers and generally good lives. Most of the time, they contribute to society and it's this exact reason that prevents them from becoming addicted. They aren't willing to flush it all down the shitter. If you're young and overzealous, then the consequences of such an addiction aren't very clear.


escape, go into the dark side forum and ask a heroin addict if they regret ever trying it. Giving specific schedules on when to use heroin is absolutely ridiculous to me, because everyone is different. If you want my answer, then you should use it again after you've more or less forgot what it feels like.
 
China White is sometimes refer to just plain white smack in some parts of sweden, nothing to do with fentanyl etc.

Anyway, someone I know haven't touched a needle in 20+ years he just eats och snorts his amphetamine and smoke his heroin.
And still almost everybody in that subgroup use needles, even his girlfriend shoots the speed and heroin but somehow he has stayed of the needle.
 
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