okay using a globarph calc. is says that 40 mg hydrocodone is equal to 10 mg of hydromorphone-ORALLY.. so, oral ba or hydmor is 10% so that means really 1 mg of hydromorphone is equal to 40 mg hydrocdone at 100 % ba? so does that mean by insufflation(50percent) BA 2 mg of hydromorphone is equal to 40 mg hydrocodone? I don't think so, that doesn't sound right. my math skills are not all that up to snuff. so with Insufflation BA how many mg of hydromorphone is REALLY equal to about 40 mg hydrocodone?.. I'm lost here LOL
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help with some opiate conversion math
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MoeMadness
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My brain just exploded.
LoL, okay hydromorphone by insufflation has a bio-availability of 50 percent I believe... Orally it has a Bio- availability of 10 percent...
the calculator I used says 10 mg hydromorphone taken orally equals 40 mg hydrocodone... since taking it orally your only getting 10 percent of the drug.... that means really 1 mg of it equals the 40 if there WAS 100 percent Ba
okay still with me. I read that snorting hydromorphone has a bio availability of 50 percent
so taking that into account how many mg of hydromorphone would I need to snort to equal 40 mg of hydrocodone..
also take into account that I don't really believe the calculator is too accurate because I snorted 6 mg all at once and didn't feel anything NEAR even 30 mg hydrocodone today
according to that calculator it should be double what the 100 percent result was ie 4 mg snorted would get 2 mg into your system and equal the 40 of hydrocodone. but that just does not seem to be right through my experience of it
the calculator I used says 10 mg hydromorphone taken orally equals 40 mg hydrocodone... since taking it orally your only getting 10 percent of the drug.... that means really 1 mg of it equals the 40 if there WAS 100 percent Ba
okay still with me. I read that snorting hydromorphone has a bio availability of 50 percent
so taking that into account how many mg of hydromorphone would I need to snort to equal 40 mg of hydrocodone..
also take into account that I don't really believe the calculator is too accurate because I snorted 6 mg all at once and didn't feel anything NEAR even 30 mg hydrocodone today
according to that calculator it should be double what the 100 percent result was ie 4 mg snorted would get 2 mg into your system and equal the 40 of hydrocodone. but that just does not seem to be right through my experience of it
K'd-OUT-in-AZ
Bluelighter
You can't always compare doses by calculating BA %. For instance, 10mg of hydromorphone (oral) is equivalent to 2mg of hydromorphone (IV). IV has a BA of 100% and oral has a BA of 30-35% so you'd assume that 10mg Hydromorphone (oral) would be equivalent to 3-3.5mg IV going by the BA.
And as for the BA of Hydromorphone its 30-35%, your thinking of oxymorphone. Go check out any site or wiki
And as for the BA of Hydromorphone its 30-35%, your thinking of oxymorphone. Go check out any site or wiki
fryingsquirrel
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Math and conversion charts aside I recently snorted (trying to stay away from needles) 10 mgs hydromorphone and it was in the ballpark of 40 oxy.
okay that helps somewhat FS, Preciate it, and K'D out thanks man I wasn't too sure on those BA's myself... I did 6 this morning and it probably felt like 15-20 mg hydrocodone without the euphoria, it usually takes 35-45 mg hydrocodone to get much euphoria for me. so how much hydromorphone up the ol honker would u guesstimate that to be?
NeighborhoodThreat
Bluelight Crew
It really depends, as both FS and K'd demonstrated, you have to take both bioavailabilites and conversion tables as a starting point. Everybody's body is different and everybody is looking for a different effect from their opiate (such people are looking for a high, some for a nod, others for simple pain relief, others a combination of a high and pain relief, etc).
You mean you snorted 6mg hydromorphone earlier and it felt like 15-20mg hydrocodone orally? As far as the euphoria goes, that's also kind of subjective. I prefer hydromorphone if I'm looking for a more sedating/nodding high, but hydrocodone is certainly more a social and outgoing type of euphoria.
If you want to get up to the 35-45mg level of hydrocodone, just work your way up (slowly) from that 6mg snorted dose of hydromorphone..
That is, of course, assuming I read your post correctly
Check out our own Bluelight Opioid Conversion Chart. It's as accurate as it gets because we collected data from many different medical/scientific sources and created the chart.
muvolution
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more like 10mg snorted HM=40mg oral Hydrocodone BA ~90%
10mg x 8x stronger=80 x BA.50= 40mg
10mg x 8x stronger=80 x BA.50= 40mg
Awesome thank you Mr. Threat, Kokaino, and Especially mr. Mu that sounds like very sound advice and making sense of my cluttered incorrect math. thank you also for humoring me, that Bluelight opiod conversion chart is going str8 into the Bookmarks as well, it seems like it has much more practical estimates for everyday users. and Muvolution thanks again for doing the math for me, I never was good at anything more advanced than multiplication division and some minor equations to which I still have some trouble with..
Seems to me like this has been adequately answered.. If your wishing to clear up some space on your BDD board u can consider this one a closer
thanks again
Peace
Bpayne
Seems to me like this has been adequately answered.. If your wishing to clear up some space on your BDD board u can consider this one a closer
thanks again
Peace
Bpayne
okay so I snorted 8 mg this morning... well 6 and a half and 10 am this morning, and the other 1 and a half mg at 12 noon or so... and then just now around 3:55 pm, I snorted another 8 mg all at once this time... so that's 16 mg of hydromorphone in a span of 6 hours. does this seem a little excessive?
NeighborhoodThreat
Bluelight Crew
Depends on your tolerance, 16mg certainly isn't excessive for somebody with a huge tolerance, esp. if you're snorting it. If you're feeling good and high. I don't think its excessive at all.
not that big of a tolerance like I say about 35-40 mg of hydrocodone is my limit for a dose
Edit, mostly a case of silly post dose... damn did I really just take that much of this potent substance today lol... I feel decent.. I definitely feel the effects but I suppose what I'm looking for which is the euphoric happiness of hydrocodone and oxycodone just isn't present with hydromorphone. I don't know why because I thought hydrocodone was metabolized into hydromorphone but I could be just looking for something in it that I won't find unless I break down and shoot it, it could be completely possible that someone looking to receive the same energetic euphoric happiness of the codones could actually od trying to reach it with this potent substance, I guess there has to be a point where u gotta say this is this, and that is that, good food is good, and gourmet food is good but they still have different qualities I suppose?
Edit, mostly a case of silly post dose... damn did I really just take that much of this potent substance today lol... I feel decent.. I definitely feel the effects but I suppose what I'm looking for which is the euphoric happiness of hydrocodone and oxycodone just isn't present with hydromorphone. I don't know why because I thought hydrocodone was metabolized into hydromorphone but I could be just looking for something in it that I won't find unless I break down and shoot it, it could be completely possible that someone looking to receive the same energetic euphoric happiness of the codones could actually od trying to reach it with this potent substance, I guess there has to be a point where u gotta say this is this, and that is that, good food is good, and gourmet food is good but they still have different qualities I suppose?
NeighborhoodThreat
Bluelight Crew
Right, but how are you feeling right now? Nobody can tell you if what you took is "excessive" unless you give us a general idea of how you're doing...and even then its hard to be 100% sure.
K'd-OUT-in-AZ
Bluelighter
I believe oxycodone and hydrocodone are more euphoria inducing than hydromorphone. Hydromorphone is an opioid that's good more for sedation and producing a nice nod. That's just my opinion.
yeah, that sounds about like it, K'd, @NT I feel pretty good, stuffed up nose tho lol, but yeah I am a little off I am forgetting simple things like I'd go to search for something online and then forget what I was typing in immediately lol... I have a subtle euphoria but not pronounced, I am drinking coffee to combat whatever sedation I may encounter because I enjoy stimulating opiate more than sedation honestly if I ever nodded out on something I would be pretty shook that I took too much so I don't want to achieve a nod.. .I feel good though better than I did before i snorted it... but still nowhere near the euphoric boost I am trying to achieve however I fear that If I push the issue dosewise I will just amplify the opiation still without increasing the subtle euphoria I have into fullblown like a good 40 mg hydrocodone dose would do... so my faculties are pretty much there except for a few concentration issues..
Edit: At this Point I am strongly considering taking my last five 2 mg pills and creating a saline solution in a nasal spray bottle to see if this increases absorption, also do either of you know if using afrin to clear a stopped up nose will negatively or positively affect nasal absorption from the vasoconstriction that is causes, I am assuming nasal vasoconstriction is what causes your nose to clear out after taking afrin. u guys know if that impedes or increases nasal absorption?... I guess I am feeling fairly decent though as I keep posting and then editing to post more being all "chatty" and such that I usually am not lol
Edit: At this Point I am strongly considering taking my last five 2 mg pills and creating a saline solution in a nasal spray bottle to see if this increases absorption, also do either of you know if using afrin to clear a stopped up nose will negatively or positively affect nasal absorption from the vasoconstriction that is causes, I am assuming nasal vasoconstriction is what causes your nose to clear out after taking afrin. u guys know if that impedes or increases nasal absorption?... I guess I am feeling fairly decent though as I keep posting and then editing to post more being all "chatty" and such that I usually am not lol
NeighborhoodThreat
Bluelight Crew
Sounds to me like you're about where you want to be. Because you mixed caffeine (coffee) with it, you most likely won't get the nod that K'd-OUT and myself mentioned earlier. But I think you're just fine and that dosage is by no means "excessive". I would stay where you are.
K'd-OUT-in-AZ
Bluelighter
I have a bad memory on opiates, I don't remember a thing that I'm trying to do and just end up lying around doing the same thing. I'll have the thing in mind and think to myself I will do this in a minute and then its gone, generally won't even remember that I was thinking to do something until there is a consequence of forgetting. My concentration is way off, except for the television screen and the music I'm listening to. In the background my girlfriend's voice sounds like blah, blah, blah, blah. Annoys me. I'll forget what I'm typing about and go off topic sort of like RIGHT NOW.
LoL I am EXACTLY like that with my girlfriend and sad to say half the time my daughter too lool. thanks Neighborhood Thread, and K'd out, I believe I am right about where I want to be, especially considering I just jammed another half a pill up my nose about 20 minutes ago. I find the short redoses to be more euphoric than the Full doses I take at once maybe that's a metabolism factor I dunno, anyways one more quick ? before u guys close this one up, do either of u guys have any idea if Afrin nasal spray which works to clear your nose by constricting the vessels in your nasal passage, will hinder or help nasal absorption?
K'd-OUT-in-AZ
Bluelighter
I'm surprised redosing works so well with hydromorphone. Whenever I used it I'd take it all in one dose so never have done that but usually redosing opiates isn't so effective. At least not for me. Although I know redosing Tramadol increases the bioavailability.