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Differences in effects in pure MDMA

Molly is pure MDMA. From the sound of it, it sounded like you were saying most MDMA today is hacked with other stuff and unpure at all.

In my book, Ecstacy is just MDMA with added chemicals like amps and shit... (though most of the time, at least today, there are no traces of mdma at all...) so MDMA that's been cut with other stuff shouldn't be considered Molly. That's what I got from the previous discussion.

A lot of MDMA IS cut with other shit.
It doesn't matter what you think it is in your book, MDMA, molly, e, it's all the same (for what it is supposed to be). When people say molly, it's supposed to be powdered MDMA, but many times it will have things cut into it. People will believe just because someone says it's molly, that it is pure MDMA (which isn't always the case...). It is so easy to cut other shit into powder.
A legit e pill should be just MDMA. Sometimes there are added cuts that people like, like caffeine. But not all e pills have other chemicals in them.
There are loads of pills with MDMA in them today, i don't know where you are getting your info from. Sure there are tons and tons of pipes and shit pills out there, but there are still legit ones being made.
 
after reading all this.........
I'll consider myself very fortunate for who i know and what i see!<3
 
Molly is pure MDMA. From the sound of it, it sounded like you were saying most MDMA today is hacked with other stuff and unpure at all.

In my book, Ecstacy is just MDMA with added chemicals like amps and shit... (though most of the time, at least today, there are no traces of mdma at all...) so MDMA that's been cut with other stuff shouldn't be considered Molly. That's what I got from the previous discussion.

You missed the whole point. Molly is often cut just like pills it can't be called pure mdma unless you have it lab tested. You can buy test kits for some adulterants, but not all.

There are pills that are essentially clean. Only a neutral binder is used. Who ever is telling you ecstasy is a cocktail of drugs and powder is "pure mdma" is retarded. I've seen a lot of this around lately.

Powdered MDMA is nearly always cut. If you get in crystal form, chances are better for a pure MDMA. You really need to get a test kit to make sure it is MDMA and test for adulterants.
 
uhh most powder molly IS cut with inactives.
molly just means "raw" or unpressed MDMA, not necessarily UNCUT
crystal MDMA is another story, though
i'd be willing to bet most molly POWDER isnt "pure MDMA" in the sense of UNCUT MDMA. Theres plenty of molly powder that is JUST MDMA with regards to active contents but id be willing to bet most powder has baking soda, or caffeine or something in it. Crystal is a whole nother story, however. Uncut crystal doesn't seem to be/IME isnt too uncommon.
 
Your "Molly" is made by one of three types of people, all three yield a different quality product.

1. Rc supplier, This "Molly" isn't Molly at all. Because of all the information on the Internet and the majority of drug users ignorance of this information research chemicals have started to see their way onto the ecstasy/rave scene. And what's worse is most people don't even know. Getting a test kit will help you identify this type of molly. Most of the time the person selling this is someone who found out about this "replacement ecstasy" you can get for dirt cheap on the Internet and it makes you roll. A close (at the time) friend of mine was selling Molly for a year, he gave it to me once for free and I took it, thought it was good but not great, but at least I was getting "cleaner" stuff than I would be getting in pills (that's a huge myth by the way). I wanted some for a rave and this time I had a test kit, he had "two Batches" I said whatever give me .5 of each. They were methylone and butylone. He legitimately didn't know what it was, I watched him call his hook out for ripping him off for so long. And you know what he did? Found his own site and kept selling fake Molly. Moral of that story is get a testing kit and use it, even if your friend sold it to you. Most people selling rcs wont let you test it before you get it.

2. Tweaker chemists, they all know about this site, a lot of them post here. :(Note: you don't necesarily have to be a tweaker, but it helps): anyway these are ammatuer chemists who get spun and read about drugs on the Internet while taking Ochem classes at community college. You'd be surprised what you can make with limited resources and a semester or two of Ochem under your belt. Because of their chemistry backround they know what cuts they can get away with and how much to use down to the miligram. Some "tweaker chemists" actually make really good stuff, but just as many of them cut their product with as much cut as they can possibly use without failing a test. MDMA synth is really difficult, you need to really know your shit to pull it off and understand the chemistry, but the information is available. But there are plenty of other synths that are much cheaper and easier (meth, most rc's, other obscure yet illegal drugs). Cheaper + easier = more money in less time and tweaker = shady. Now not everyone who synths in their kitchen cuts their stuff, like I said they can make really good shit if they do it right and they give you pure stuff. This is the vast majority of legit street Molly.

3. The mass producers, these people are involved in organized crime whether it be the mafia or the cartels. They mostly make their MDMA to press into epills but for whatever reason a small percent of pure (which is generally literally as close to pure as possible) is diverted to well connected people, where 90% of the time it's stepped on at which point it becomes no better than kitchen chemist stuff. If you happen to be lucky enough to get some of that 10% that hasn't been cut you shouldn't ever fuck with the person who sold it to you, ever, because he picks up directly from and is well liked by a crime syndicate. This is the least common type.

Depending on where you live and who you know one type may be more available to you than the other.



Well chances are you don't pick up from a chemist, you pick up from a dealer who you've probably grown up with and isn't too far into the shady part of the drug world (yet). But that's where your drugs come from. Why did I tell you this? So I can tell you this.

Here's a few pointers on how to tell how legit your shit is.

A few red flags:
1. It's a powder or a lot of tiny crystals, the only reason someone would do this is to cut it. When synthed MDMA is shards, no matter what your dealer tells you or your dealer tells him. The shards should look like small shiny grains of rice. Ever seen meth? Cause that's what it should look like.
2. It's sold in gel caps. Most legit Molly is sold by weight.
3. It fails a test. I don't need to explain that one.
4. You're told to only snort it. MDMA is MDMA is MDMA and it's active orally.
5. You're getting a really good deal. If it seems too good to be true it probably is.


A few good signs
1. The bigger the better. Although it can be cut by the chemist before it's made into hcl salt, large shards are an indication that it wasn't stepped on after the synth. It can be recrystalized but it's not worth it for most dealers to do because most consumers will buy it anyway.
2. Instant reaction. when tested the amount of time it takes for you to see a reaction can be an indicator of how pure it is.
3. My own test. This tests for a lot (not all) of cuts used with Molly. Put your Molly on foil, heat it underneath with a lighter gently until it melts and boils. Heat gently until it evaporates. There should be a very faint yellow/light brown residue left on the foil, there shouldn't be a lot of residue. Ever smoked meth off of foil? That's what it should look like. If the residue is black or there is lots of it chances are it's cut, cause Molly doesn't do that. Even if you heat it too fast and burn it there's barely any residue on the foil. Good for showing innactive cuts. DO NOT SMOKE IT.
4. It's not cheap, quality over quantity, always. Cheap Molly can be sold at a high price, legit Molly can't be sold at a low price. There's exceptions to this but the best Molly I've ever seen has cost me almost twice as much as I paid for shitty Molly.

Always test your stuff and never trust your dealer or some idiot at a rave, hell don't even trust me. I know this because I've seen it and I trust my eyes, why the hell should you trust my eyes.
 
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alright burn to shine, i'm on klonopin now, so heres my retort
A. "Kitchen" MDMA chemists from what i know are not common at all in any way. Most mdma isnt made in america...
MDMA is VERY cheap in bulk...unless i know wrong, you dont have kitchen labs that put out a gram or two, you have foreign (Canadian/Euro) labs that churn out relatively pure MDMA. I've never heard of any kitchen MDMA chemists. I say that most MDMA (and the DEA confirms this...) is made in large foreign labs that churn out large batches, then its smuggled over to the US.
Uhh the canadians seem to never crystallize their product (IME, the stuff purportedly from canada), just because it isnt crystal doesnt mean it isnt pure, you have to go through the process OF CRYSTALLIZING it to get crystal, you dont HAVE to crystallize your product to get pure MDMA hcl. As in, just because its powder doesnt mean its not pure.
MDMA is made by international crime syndicates, there aren't local chemists providing most of americas MDMA. I would be willing to bet most MDMA comes from labs producing en masse in Canada or Europe, and the DEA says teh same thing. I'll come back and edit this post tomorrow so it makes more sense
Again, most MDMA crystal isnt cut (or at least IME) or is very close to pure.
ill get back to you when i'm not benzo'd up because i COMPLETELY DISAGREE with you...i cant think straight. I think youre COMPLETELY wrong though, ill get at ya tomorrow bout this.
 
I'll admit most molly Molly comes from outside the us, I was wrong, in fact I edited my post and half admitted it. I was speaking from personal experience, maybe it was who I knew but Ive met kitchen chemists, I've seen parts of the synth. it most definitely does happen and they do exist. Meet some tweakers is all I have to say about that.


I never said that powder automatically meant not good, it just meant it was stepped on. Which if you get powder I guarantee you there is something other than MDMA in there. It can be an innactive cut and it can be relatively pure and make you roll balls, but it's still cut. You think i shouldn't tell people how to spot pure because that's not what you get in Canada? I'm sorry I thought pure meant... I don't know, pure.

Shards don't have to be huge crystals, but big enough to be called shards. Cutting it 20% with powder changes it's appearance. You actually think crime syndicates don't cut their shit, they don't have to cut it a lot but 10-20% is a lot of money when you're dealing with kilos and it doesn't effect it on the single dose level that much. Most MDMA produced by syndicates goes into pills, a small percent (be it a large quantity) gets sold as Molly. As it gets handed down from kilos to pounds to ounces to you it's gonna get stepped on at least once (and crushed to a powder so you don't notice). The only reason I know anything about pure is because I've seen freebase made into hcl. My post may have seemed more negative than I intended it to be, but that was to get a point across. Test your shit people are shady. And an ounce is a small synth, not one or two grams, it's not worth it to make that little, you might as well just buy it.
 
the roll where you were able to eat and sleep you got clean molly. thats how ecstacy is supposed to be. the other batches were either cut with some type of amphetamines or dirty, meaning that some of the precursors that contain speedy chemicals wernt properly washed out.
 
LSDMDMA&9560024 said:
uhh most powder molly IS cut with inactives.
molly just means "raw" or unpressed MDMA, not necessarily UNCUT
crystal MDMA is another story, though
i'd be willing to bet most molly POWDER isnt "pure MDMA" in the sense of UNCUT MDMA. Theres plenty of molly powder that is JUST MDMA with regards to active contents but id be willing to bet most powder has baking soda, or caffeine or something in it. Crystal is a whole nother story, however. Uncut crystal doesn't seem to be/IME isnt too uncommon.

I don't know where you are, but in Europe crystal molly has been cut as often as not. First crystal to make the rounds after the drought was a nasty gray anniseed smelling molly. Ranged from dark gray to tan with gray tint. One thing was clear is it wasn't good MDMA, possibly MDEA with a lack of empathy and love and a very nasty hangover.

A nicer, brown Crystal came right after. Was much closer to the classic MDMA feeling but missed the rush and love, although a deep sense of peace was there.

You can look in the dutch forums for pillreports and see that the "classic" MDMA feeling stuff is just coming back.

All of that stuff was big salt crystals and not pure MDMA clearly.

Some people on European African Drug Discussion tried to attribute the MDMA problem with people losing the magic, there was a huge MDEA argument that was shot down in that forum. However, the Dutch tend to agree that the MDMA was off, and we all just suddenly regained the magic with this new stuff? It was just cut/impure or MDEA.


Also, you can see some very convincing molly crystals that contain only pipz in the regional pill discussion. So molly can even have no MDxx. If your stuff is mostly pure, then you are lucky. But calling crystal molly "MDMA" or "pure MDMA" is misleading. Because chances are nether are true.
 
LSDMDMA&9560797 said:
alright burn to shine, i'm on klonopin now, so heres my retort
A. "Kitchen" MDMA chemists from what i know are not common at all in any way. Most mdma isnt made in america...
MDMA is VERY cheap in bulk...unless i know wrong, you dont have kitchen labs that put out a gram or two, you have foreign (Canadian/Euro) labs that churn out relatively pure MDMA. I've never heard of any kitchen MDMA chemists. I say that most MDMA (and the DEA confirms this...) is made in large foreign labs that churn out large batches, then its smuggled over to the US.
Uhh the canadians seem to never crystallize their product (IME, the stuff purportedly from canada), just because it isnt crystal doesnt mean it isnt pure, you have to go through the process OF CRYSTALLIZING it to get crystal, you dont HAVE to crystallize your product to get pure MDMA hcl. As in, just because its powder doesnt mean its not pure.
MDMA is made by international crime syndicates, there aren't local chemists providing most of americas MDMA. I would be willing to bet most MDMA comes from labs producing en masse in Canada or Europe, and the DEA says teh same thing. I'll come back and edit this post tomorrow so it makes more sense
Again, most MDMA crystal isnt cut (or at least IME) or is very close to pure.
ill get back to you when i'm not benzo'd up because i COMPLETELY DISAGREE with you...i cant think straight. I think youre COMPLETELY wrong though, ill get at ya tomorrow bout this.

This clarifies it a bit, you actually think that molly leaves a lab as powder. That never happens. The powder is crushed crystal, only reason to crush it is to cut it or put it in a cap.
 
@ Ski-bum, it makes no difference what the appearance of the substance is, whether it be a branded pill, crystal or powder. It holds little relevance. It just needs to be tested and consumed with as little tolerance as possible.
 
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I will say this, and I definitely got some great answers, my dude is high up the chain, high enough that it would have to be business partners or the chemist cutting it, the people that he works with to earn a living. I really hate talking about it online but I'm not kidding when I say he's in it for the long haul.

Thanks guys, I definitely am thinking your post burn2shine, I'm definitely doing that foil trick cause I might be dropping saturday and all I have are 3 points of the lower grade stuff so I'll check it first.
 
A lot of MDMA IS cut with other shit.
It doesn't matter what you think it is in your book, MDMA, molly, e, it's all the same (for what it is supposed to be). When people say molly, it's supposed to be powdered MDMA, but many times it will have things cut into it. People will believe just because someone says it's molly, that it is pure MDMA (which isn't always the case...). It is so easy to cut other shit into powder.
A legit e pill should be just MDMA. Sometimes there are added cuts that people like, like caffeine. But not all e pills have other chemicals in them.
There are loads of pills with MDMA in them today, i don't know where you are getting your info from. Sure there are tons and tons of pipes and shit pills out there, but there are still legit ones being made.

I'm basing this off pillreports. Every pill I've ever looked up on pillreports that have been offered to me have either tested negative or the reports were negative comments about it... I may be wrong, but so far, that's the vibe I'm getting.


after reading all this.........
I'll consider myself very fortunate for who i know and what i see!<3

Yes! Please do! lollll


You missed the whole point. Molly is often cut just like pills it can't be called pure mdma unless you have it lab tested. You can buy test kits for some adulterants, but not all.

There are pills that are essentially clean. Only a neutral binder is used. Who ever is telling you ecstasy is a cocktail of drugs and powder is "pure mdma" is retarded. I've seen a lot of this around lately.

Powdered MDMA is nearly always cut. If you get in crystal form, chances are better for a pure MDMA. You really need to get a test kit to make sure it is MDMA and test for adulterants.

I already bought my testing kit online, I'm just waiting for it to arrive. Probably in a couple of weeks or so...
 
Skibum, i'm american
I know for a fact that a lot of the canadian labs DONT crystallize their product, unless i am a complete idiot who cant read, after you gas freebase with hcl to get the hcl salt, you end up with a POWDER. Big 2g+ chunks DONT just appear out of nowhere....i've seen pictures that someone took of all of the parts of a MDA synth, INCLUDING GASSING, and their end product was POWDER mda. Shit DOESNT turn into big fucking shards all by itself. I've heard the same things about methamphetamine, as in, you can have 95% pure methamphetamine powder (that just hasnt been crystallized ever)
crystallization is a PROCESS, it doesnt change into straight up shards just upon being converted from freebase to HCL last i knew.
get a chemist in here, im 99% sure i'm right....
i've had several batches of MDMA crystal, some has been cleaner synth'd than others (in terms of smell, color...)
hell, MDMA has a rather distinct smell IMO, (given it seems that smell can be attributed at least to a degree from impurity) and a rather distinct nasty ass taste. If you got sold salt as molly, you're an imbecile, because if you're not gonna reagent test, i'd at least taste/smell test.
 
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There should be a very faint yellow/light brown residue left on the foil, there shouldn't be a lot of residue. Ever smoked meth off of foil? That's what it should look like.

im confused, are you saying if there was meth in it it would leave behind the yellow/brown residue? or did you mean that if it was black it would be meth?
 
LSDMDMA&9562747 said:
Skibum, i'm american
I know for a fact that a lot of the canadian labs DONT crystallize their product, unless i am a complete idiot who cant read, after you gas freebase with hcl to get the hcl salt, you end up with a POWDER. Big 2g+ chunks DONT just appear out of nowhere....i've seen pictures that someone took of all of the parts of a MDA synth, INCLUDING GASSING, and their end product was POWDER mda. Shit DOESNT turn into big fucking shards all by itself. I've heard the same things about methamphetamine, as in, you can have 95% pure methamphetamine powder (that just hasnt been crystallized ever)
crystallization is a PROCESS, it doesnt change into straight up shards just upon being converted from freebase to HCL last i knew.
get a chemist in here, im 99% sure i'm right....
i've had several batches of MDMA crystal, some has been cleaner synth'd than others (in terms of smell, color...)
hell, MDMA has a rather distinct smell IMO, (given it seems that smell can be attributed at least to a degree from impurity) and a rather distinct nasty ass taste. If you got sold salt as molly, you're an imbecile, because if you're not gonna reagent test, i'd at least taste/smell test.

Maybe you read about a different synthesis process. The one I read, the heavy oil was directly crystallized. In Europe we only get two kinds, large shard crystal molly and crushed crystals in to powder. The powder is always cut horribly. It is sold in festivals and discos where tourists frequent.
 
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