Differences in effects in pure MDMA

[LogicSoDeveloped]

I have rolled 5 times, each time taking pure MDMA.
4 times it was a grade of molly I like to call "generic rave molly" because its mass produced and sold at raves and isn't particularly amazing, which I took either 1 or 2 points of
1 time it was "shard," which I took one point of.

Two of the generic rave mollys had the intensity of the single point of shard imo
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The thing is, with the "shard," it felt much less taxing-I ate normally and slept normally within 8 hours of ingestion and had rolled face. With the generic rave molly, I don't have much of an appetite for a few days after, I'm a lot spacier and a bit moodier.


They are not tested but it is pretty much understood that all of the molly I've taken has been MDMA or MDMA with inactive cuts.

I want to know what causes differences in effects even though no active cuts were used.

 

[sheepie]

I'm no chemist but I know what you mean. I've tried pure mollies and have had varied effects. I think it has to do with incomplete synthesizes. There could be psychoactive precursors that haven't been removed. Correct me if I'm wrong somebody!!

 

[LogicSoDeveloped]

So you hypothesize that some of the (what i consider mild) side effects of the experience are due to the drug not being fully synthesized?

I've had a nice afterglow from each experience but I feel like the afterglow from the shard lasted longer. I don't think this is a placebo effect either.

 

[RobbyG]

You're "generic rave" mollies are cut with meth more than likely.

 

[RandomGuy123]

Pure mdma is crystals, not powder.

 

[LogicSoDeveloped]

You're "generic rave" mollies are cut with meth more than likely.

The generic rave mollies were from a trusted source, they were definitely just weak, not cut with meth. I have good sources, the generic mollies just happened to come from one that distributes. I'm sure I'm not the only person on here with a dealer friend that helps out his friends with a little excess.

I definitely know what MDMA feels like so don't try to tell me my stuff was cut with meth.

 

[Bloby]

MDMA, aka this chemical here:

doesn't change, no matter how it was made. If its MDMA its MDMA

If the stuff you got at the rave felt different it most likely had other chemicals added to it, eg meth, pipes, ket, baking powder. There is more chance of this with MDMA sold at raves because any old guy could buy a gram of the good MDMA, crush it up with whatever, stick it in a capsule and sell it on to someone he'll never see again for a profit.

Also afaik the only MDMA that gets mass produced is 99/100% pure MDMA. It only gets other things added to it along the sales line for people to make profit.

 

[themachine]

I definitely know what MDMA feels like so don't try to tell me my stuff was cut with meth.

this is hilarious, the guy clearly had his molly cut with some nasty shit and is asking us what it could've been then when he gets a response of what it most likely is his response is don't try and tell him what his stuff is cut with

 

[LogicSoDeveloped]

The thing is, I'm good friends with each of the people I've purchased from and I hate to believe that my friends would do something like that to me, I'm not going to mention names but in my area, they are well respected people. I have an understanding with them that the cheaper stuff is weaker.

and if it is cut with nasty shit, why do I afterglow, have no feeling to redose, etc.

I've also been told by even more experienced, older users (who have taken the same stuff as me) that the weak stuff is weak, not cut with actives, and the strong stuff is strong, not cut period.

 

[Bloby]

Well if they are your friends I doubt they cut it themselves an didn't tell you, but its probably been through quite a few hands to get to from the chemist to the street.

It might not have been cut with anything active/nasty, salt or baking powder could have been used as far as I know the extra comedown could have been to do with how you ate, drank, danced, slept, how often you have been taking md (taking it often, before your brain gets a chance to regain its juices, will defo give you a more unpleasant comedown). Or it just had some other chem in it that gives a harsher comedown.

 

[No Consequence]

The thing is, I'm good friends with each of the people I've purchased from and I hate to believe that my friends would do something like that to me, I'm not going to mention names but in my area, they are well respected people. I have an understanding with them that the cheaper stuff is weaker.

and if it is cut with nasty shit, why do I afterglow, have no feeling to redose, etc.

I've also been told by even more experienced, older users (who have taken the same stuff as me) that the weak stuff is weak, not cut with actives, and the strong stuff is strong, not cut period.

You can't trust a dealers word, or even a friends, fully. They might not even know that it is cut themselves. They might just get huge supplies with it already cut and not even know themselves.

Just because it is cut, doesn't mean it is cut with nasty shit. It is cut so that it looks like the same amount of MDMA, but actually has less. They could use all sorts of inactive cuts to just take up space and make more money.

The weak stuff would be weak because there is less MDMA. Sure it might not be cut with actives, but it sure is cut with inactives.

 

[themachine]

and if it is cut with nasty shit, why do I afterglow, have no feeling to redose, etc..

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With the generic rave molly, I don't have much of an appetite for a few days after, I'm a lot spacier and a bit moodier.

I am not very experienced so i'll defer to others to correct me but these effects aren't typical of mdma so i would presume they were caused by some other active substance

 

[xtimex]

I think you might be talking about this per PHIKAL. MDMA but different isomer.

"(with 100 mg of the "R" isomer) There were the slightest of effects noted at about an hour (a couple of paresthetic twinges) and then nothing at all.

(with 160 mg of the "R" isomer) A disturbance of baseline at about forty minutes and this lasts for about another hour. Everything is clear by the third hour.

(with 200 mg of the "R" isomer) A progression from an alert at thirty minutes to a soft and light intoxication that did not persist. This was a modest +, and I was at baseline in another hour.

(with 60 mg of the "S" isomer) The effects began developing in a smooth, friendly way at about a half-hour. My handwriting is OK but I am writing faster than usual. At the one hour point, I am quite certain that I could not drive, time is slowing down a bit, but I am mentally very active. My pupils are considerably dilated. The dropping is evident at two hours, and complete by the third hour. All afternoon I am peaceful and relaxed, but clear and alert, with no trace of physical residue at all. A very successful ++.

(with 100 mg of the "S" isomer) I feel the onset is slower than with the racemate. Physically, I am excited, and my pulse and blood pressure are quite elevated. This does not have the 'fire' of the racemate, nor the rush of the development in getting to the plateau.

(with 120 mg of the "S" isomer) A rapid development, and both writing and typing are impossible before the end of the first hour. Lying down with eyes closed eliminates all effects; the visual process is needed for any awareness of the drug's effects. Some teeth clenching, but no nystagmus. Excellent sleep in the evening.

 

[rickolasnice]

^ As far as i know it takes alot of money / equipment and even more knowledge and time to seperate the isomers from a 50 / 50 ratio.. nobody would bother doing this..

 

[rickolasnice]

Differences in affects of MDMA are down to 1 of 3 things.. set, setting and / or other chemicals being involved..

OP: It is pretty much impossible for you to be certain that you have MDMA and only MDMA.. no matter what your friends / dealers tell you.. it's gone through many peoples hands before getting to theirs..

 

[Ski-bum]

Pure mdma is crystals, not powder.

Wrong, molly is not "pure" mdma and it isn't called mdma. People try and use those terms but it is more than misleading.

MDMA after synthesis is a heavy oil. It is then crystallized to form a solid that can be used in pills or sold by the gram.

Most MDMA that leaves most labs is as clean as the chemist can make it, depending on equipment and skill. Some just don't give a shit and leave in impurities for bulk.

More often than people would like to admit, it is bulked out while still liquid with adulterants. Could be an RC, meth or pipz, who knows. It is then crystallized and was never sold pure. I'm willing to bet that MDMA is not the main ingredient in more than a few cases, some cheap RC that has similar effects mixed with MDxx would pass marquise.


When it hits the street dealers, it usually changes hands a few times and is marked up. Most people pay up front for their drugs and want to make the maximum profit possible. So they crush the MDxx and add in another cheaper drug that can powder. Every time you get a powder, count on it being this. There is no reason to ever crush MDxx except to add another adulterant.


So you crystals were likely a much cleaner MDMA, although that is not a guarantee. Your powder should never be called MDMA Mdxx or "pure" anything because it is none of those, guaranteed.

 

[LSDMDMA&AMP]

Cut, active impurities, and set/setting. The worse stuff could be cut with caffeine, speed, meph or other drugs. And dose.
Mdma freebase is a corrosive volatile oil, people cut it during or after crystallization, they dont cut mdma freebase oil. When the lab synths it they get mdma freebase, then mdma freebase is converted to the hcl salt. No one sells mdma freebase....ever. and plenty of chemists dont wash the product that well because the impurity (like .5 %) adds weight and when youre talkin about weight removing that .5% means less money to be made by the chemist.
And not all mdma is even crystallized by the chemist, some chemists crystallize after they do freebase to hcl but some dont.

 

[Mac98]

So if I understand correctly... finding MDMA nowadays is next to impossible.

Molly seems to be rapidly becoming Ecstacy...

 

[LSDMDMA&AMP]

What? Mdma is not at all hard to get...do you not know what molly is supposed to be/means? Molly is powder or rystal mdma ( well its supposed to be, if you get legit sht, good mdma crystal/powder is not rare in any sense...-)
You dont seem to understand my post. When they complete the synth, they have mdma freebase. Mdma freebase isnt what has ever been sold for consumption. They gas the freebase with hcl to form mdma hcl, the usable salt form of mdma. Mdma freebase ( or at least amphet and methamphet freebase are corrosive and volatile, mdma should be the same) is a corrosive volatile oil...nobody consumes mdma freebase and people never have, mdma has always been sold in the form of mdma hcl, which is a white powder/crystal substance.
Molly IS ecstasy in the sense of it is (supposed to be) mdma, molly powder/moonrocks/crystal just hasn't been pressed into pill form..

 

[Mac98]

What? Mdma is not at all hard to get...do you not know what molly is supposed to be/means? Molly is powder or rystal mdma ( well its supposed to be, if you get legit sht, good mdma crystal/powder is not rare in any sense...-)
You dont seem to understand my post. When they complete the synth, they have mdma freebase. Mdma freebase isnt what has ever been sold for consumption. They gas the freebase with hcl to form mdma hcl, the usable salt form of mdma. Mdma freebase ( or at least amphet and methamphet freebase are corrosive and volatile, mdma should be the same) is a corrosive volatile oil...nobody consumes mdma freebase and people never have, mdma has always been sold in the form of mdma hcl, which is a white powder/crystal substance.
Molly IS ecstasy in the sense of it is (supposed to be) mdma, molly powder/moonrocks/crystal just hasn't been pressed into pill form..

Molly is pure MDMA. From the sound of it, it sounded like you were saying most MDMA today is hacked with other stuff and unpure at all.

In my book, Ecstacy is just MDMA with added chemicals like amps and shit... (though most of the time, at least today, there are no traces of mdma at all...) so MDMA that's been cut with other stuff shouldn't be considered Molly. That's what I got from the previous discussion.