IV MDPV - observations

[RC-druglord]

I haven't been able to obtain very much information on this method and I'd like to share information that might be useful.

First of all, I have extensive experience with hardcore stimulants such as cocaine and methamphetamine. MDPV is not for the stimulant naive and even the most experienced of crackheads can find themselves hiding in the their house from the DEA and people out to kill them. In broad daylight.

1. It seems that MDPV only produces a rush in certain injection sites, the inner elbow area seems to be most effective.

2. MDPV will make you paranoid. Expect to be convinced your heart is going to explode shortly after you've pushed the plunger. Know your limits and listen to your paranoia, this is an RC with unknown long term effects.

3. It seems that MDPV hardens and lowers veins temporarily after use. This can make it difficult to redose.

4. Injecting in your hand may cause swelling.

5. Taking too large of doses can make you vomit.

6. This is probably the most fiendish and compulsive ROA for MDPV. Treat this with respect and don't speedball or mix with other CNS stimulants

 

[Vitamin Airplane]

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I've been reading up on this MDPV "bath salt" stuff, and a friend of mine decided to try it out. It just arrived yesterday, I think. Well, I like to do as much research as possible on new recreational drugs that will probably become illegal soon, especially when I've heard a lot of fools not believing that it's supposedly really potent and can really screw up your week if you don't respect the warnings in those shocking OD stories.
Cloud 9 seems to be the one everyone is having a bad trip on, so I got something similar called Tranquility, which I read a lot of good things about from someone who has been injecting it for quite awhile....pretty much every since it came out. He said it got him off meth! That's kind of amazing, if he can quit this shit now! At least he won't be arrested for possession yet.

I took three 2mg Xanax earlier and I also started taking Effexor (antidepressant) a few weeks ago, which is an SSNRI. Could this interfere or cancel it at all? Because the rush didn't really happen the way I've read, so I increased the dosage slightly and added maybe a little less than 1cc of distilled water and mixed it quickly. I had read that it decreases in strength quickly in water, so didn't waste any time getting it into a vein. My friend, whom I've known all my life, but probably still doesn't know me as well as I know him, started increasing the dose and injecting more little by little, but still doesn't feel anything more than the feeling I used to get when I tried meth. It never did anything for me, except make me nervous and make my jaw hurt a bit, and give me a headache eventually.
That's about all he got from it, he said. He thought maybe it wasn't quite as strong as the Cloud 9 that's been reportedly sending a lot of dumb/ignorant people to the ER after 4 or 5 days of no sleep, hallucinations, and all kinds of weird shit. Sounds like all the ones who hated it really overdosed their first time. Even the ones who liked it mostly say not to try it because they OD'd, too.
I even read a bizarre story about what sounded like a bad Satanic acid trip that lasted 4 days, in which the dude thought Satan was after him and in him in many ways and he was about to kill some family members! LOL I know it's not a laughing matter, but in this case it wore off and he's ok now, so other than a week or so in the hospital, he seems fine. A few others were not as lucky, I guess. They must've done a whole line or something, which I've heard is just stupid! We've all had too much of something before, and it's never fun when that happens.

Anyway, I'm just wondering if he's making the IV solution right, or why this stuff isn't kicking his ass like most people say. Could it be because he has Tourettes and speed type drugs just don't have the same effect on him as others? He once free-based pretty pure coke for over a year and was able to get high on that crap for a few mins at a time, but it was just not ever a satisfying drug so he eventually walked away when a friend stopped generously sharing his supply which he liked to cook up at his place, since his house was a ways away. He, nor I, haven't even thought about crack since then, but I just quit a 2yr dilaudid IV habit. (My Dr was giving me eight Roxanne 4mg tabs a day, which I always finished within two weeks or so, so it was bad, you know? They were supposed to last a month. Yay me!!!

I could really use some energy lately. I'm feeling dead tired and unmotivated, and this could help me get through some bad times for awhile. I don't think I'll have any problem with them, since I've heard it's kind of like coming down off LSD. I think I can handle that as long as it's not going to kill me and I can still walk away if I want to. It's sounding more and more like it's actually not bath salt at all, but just pure MDPV. It sure looks/tastes pure. It really doesn't even taste salty. It looks just like coke to me. It does something, but not as strong as everyone else is reporting. Otherwise, my friend and I would be freaking out now or something.
Is it true that free-basing it is actually better than IV, as far as the rush? Someone claimed that, but then he's never IV'd it before. 8) I would think the spike would be a better rush.

 

[Dedbeet]

IMO/fwiw, pure MDPV does not look much like street coke... it's a finer and darker (more off-white) powder. Looks somewhat like tannish flour, with a similar consistency.

 

[Vitamin Airplane]

That's just different brands. I've read that it can be white or brownish, according to my research. I can't seem to find any pics of MDPV that are any darker than off white. Is it available in pure form anywhere? I don't believe this is bath salt at all. LOL How would they make it white? Why bother if it's originally brown?
I did a lot of reading and considered the good and the bad, and I think it may be less harmful than what I'm taking and what I was doing. I've never been a candidate for addiction to coke, meth, or any speed type drugs. They must not give me the same buzz as other people, because I have never been satisfied with an amphetamine high, although sometimes I need something to get me going these days and it might as well be legal, for now. I don't even know where to get illegal drugs anymore, or I'd be buying heroin, most likely. I'm getting old, I guess. I don't have druggie friends here, really. Sure, they'll take just about anything I happen to find, but they don't seem to know where to find the really good drugs anymore. I'm the last of the fearless mental space travelers in my little circle.

 

[Dedbeet]

Perhaps so, but MDPV can (and has for many) been a "drug of addiction"... it's possible and quite common to go on runs/binges with it and to crave it in between binges. That said, it may be less physically harmful than speed or cocaine.

P.S. getting old here too, fwiw (will be 47 in August)... too old to be playing heavily with stims anymore, really. Can't take the sleep deprivation like I used to, at all... just a 72 hour 'run' messes me up pretty good, and longer than that really has me gone haywire.

 

[Vitamin Airplane]

I have lots of the highest prescribed Xanax bars and Kpins and a few other things that will help me sleep if necessary. I'm also going to get some Ginko Biloba to help lower my BP. I'm not worried about addiction. I just quit one of the hardest opiates after Iv'ing them for over 2 years. That was adittedly a challenge, but only because I didn't want to quit until it made me feel worse and I lost all motivation. I kicked it and I'm not right yet. I need something to give me some energy for awhile.
I've never even gotten off on meth, and not for lack of trying. This is about the same way I felt then, but it keeps me awake longer. I really don't see how I could possibly overdo it. I have to come down and get some sleep eventually.
This feels kind of like when I used to come down from acid. It's not that bad at all, IMO. I won't go on any binges, unless I decide i just don't care again, like I felt before I started shooting all the 4mg dilaudid I could fit into a 3cc syringe. I can't see anything being much worse than that. I sweated for months, didn't sleep, eat, I was so dead I could barely get up to take a piss.

Stimulants have never taken hold of me like everyone else I've known. I never cared for coke or meth. I kind of went through a crack phase for awhile, but only because I never paid for it. That was how I kept myself under control. I told this dude that if he wanted to cook after work at my place and share, I'd smoke with him, but never pay anything for it. He understood why I had to keep it that way and we smoked a lot of very pure rocks for over a year, then it ended. I didn't let it get me. Now I have no good drugs, and something is missing big time. If I don't get a little mental differential here and there, I feel wrong...no motivation, severe depression just from not doing anything, etc. I am a basket case if I can't find a way to take a little mental vacation every so often. That Tranquility crap is weak. I think they've changed it since all those people were flipping out on it. It's so weak, it'll be gone soon. Bumps barely effect me at all, but better than IV. That doesn't seem to work too well, and it's tricky to freebase. If you don't do it just right you get nothing and just wasted a hit, right? I feel like I could snort a whole line and probably be fine I took about 250mg yesterday. The 500mg container is maybe more than half empty, and I still have not felt the euphoria I sense is hiding in there, if I just get a better quality, or maybe I'm just missing a little something?
I got it covered, I believe. I'm not your typical, run of the mill, second gen hippie. I've been experimenting with every chemical I could get my hands on since I was about 16. I may just be insane from at least 15 years of tripping on the best LSD 25 that was around until 2000, when the biggest labs went down. Or maybe it was mostly when Jerry died? I'd drop it again in a heartbeat if I could find it anymore. I haven't seen any for ages now, but controlling that speedy feeling that sometimes was overwhelming was my talent. I have never lost it. I loved that light speed pressure. I mastered control of it. People couldn't even tell I was tripping most of the time, unless I told them, or they saw my huge pupils. lol I had complete control, even when everyone else on my level was losing it. That's why I was the designated acid driver. I only got pulled over once while dosing hard, and I think we confused the cop with BS so badly he just let us go.

But that was a long time ago now. I fear I'm too old to handle intense shit like that anymore either, although I wouldn't trade the experiences for anything....except maybe unconditional love, but how can you even understand what that means if you haven't experienced something like that magical mindset which can teach you to understand it in a way that makes it actually possible? Too bad they put a stop to it all, IMO. If used properly, this could truly be a better world.

 

[Vitamin Airplane]

My Tips for Great Bathing and Hopefully Safer Experiences

There may be even more to it -- I was told the impurities were not water soluble, so methods of admin that involve(d) dissolving in h2o (particularly with filtering) may have avoided them altogether.
(quoted from another thread)

I decided I hated this stuff, so rather than flush it, I tried it for its actual stated purpose!

This is what I have discovered, sort of by accident. I thought it might interest some, and perhaps keep you from harming yourself with a potentially dangerous impurity that I've read is suspected to be found in MDPV bath powders, which I mention a bit further down.

I use about 5-10mg in about 1ml/cc distilled H2O. (give or take - depending on the dose) A little heat is the simple trick - just enough until it all dissolves and looks like a clear liquid, perhaps with such a very light tan, really thin, oil color, so light I can't really tell if it is tan at all, but it looks perfectly clear after filtering and drawing into the syringe. Mine is supposedly not some bath salt labeled crap with impurities, but is any of it really pure? I'll tell you this, it doesn't smell like that popular, overpriced, "bath salt" I tried at first. That shit did nothing for my bath water and tasted horrible if you happened to get it in your mouth or catch a whiff which stuck in your nose all day long.

It will give a sort of rush entirely different than before, if you were dumb enough to try it without preparing/diluting your solution correctly, and didn't get the result you would've expected from your bath experience. At least for me, it makes the difference between a real tripping, type euphoria for a few hours (although, this varies on the amount you use), and no euphoric bath at all, but instead just a tense, relaxless feeling that doesn't seem worth it if I'm going to be in it until I'm so tired of it, my toes look like prunes, and the freaking water is just so psychotically cold I can't wait to get out. I'm talking about bathing, of course! I know, it may sound rather strange the way I think of bathing, not being too versed in the sport...if it is a sport? To me, it's as weird as golf. 8)
I believe a little heat burns off whatever percentage of Pyrrolidine it may contain at a very low temp. (That's considered the impurity, right? You can smell something very slightly for a sec, then it's gone.), or maybe it alters the real active chemicals and makes it more water soluble for a better dilution and a better bathing experience?

(Just guessing here. I am not a Chemist, or a professional bath soaker, obviously.) Or it just melts it into a very light oil based liquid? I really don't know, but it looks as clear as water once filtered through a semi-decent filter. I just use a clean cig butt cut in half. That's plenty good for just filtering bathing powder from its toxins, I think.
Anyone have any real Chemistry theories on this? I want to know the secret behind getting all you can out of this bathing stuff, without being in any danger of harmful, skin damaging, chemicals!
Somehow, it makes it into something that will give you a rush of ecstasy when you inject into your tub.(nothing like MDMA, but a very good feeling I'd never felt before.) Then I start hallucinating slightly, weird patterns on everything for a while, and a great euphoria, which I couldn't feel before using any other method...nor can I really describe. It's like tiny, square, fabric patterns everywhere for me...quite a trippy visual, actually. Strangest bath powder I've ever tried...or maybe I'm just slightly crazy?

USE EXTREME CAUTION!!! I cannot stress this enough! I believe this to be much more powerful/potent and instant hitting than free-bathing. I have no idea what it does to anyone else, but it can't be good for you! I do not recommend it, but I kind of like it! (even if my heart feels like it might explode at first, other things used to make my heart beat even harder and I always survived, so I'm not too worried)

Also, I took one 500mg L-Tryptophan pill this time, and it seems to have relaxed me more. My heart rate and BP seem normal now, and I may even be able to sleep soon, as soon as I'm done with my relaxing bathing report here.
It may also have something to do with my regular, prescription meds - 16mg of K-pins and two 2mg bars of Xanax, but they've had nearly zero affect on me recently. (and I don't feel them now either) I'm sure they won't, until after this cruel, sleepless insomnia wears off...or I just take so many that I finally pass out. (WARNING!!! Not safe practice, ever!!!) You could pass out in the tub and drown!!! I must try to stop taking them for at least 6 mos. My tolerance is ridiculously high! They just don't seem to work for me half the time, even if I increase the dose, which I don't like to do because of the danger of mixing pills with the alcoholic beverages I like to consume, of course.

I do not like playing that dangerous game, especially not with this MDPV bathing stuff! Anything that can almost completely render quantities of 16-20mg of K-pins and any number of 2mg Xanax bars inactive is liable to catch up with you eventually, if you keep taking more out of pure sleepless desperation or deprivation, if you find yourself unable to sleep too. They don't seem to really kick in until you dry off almost completely anyway, and are snuggled up in your cozy bed. Then who knows how many may have a delayed affect?

Normally, 6mg of K-pins will put me out with a beer. So don't play the, "Try to kill the insomnia symptoms with benzos game.", or you may just not wake up breathing any more! Yes, I am trying to scare you a bit, because from what I've seen around here (and a few other sites), it seems that this is considered acceptable towel drying method with MDPV bathing, and it is not at all!

It's extremely dangerous when you can't even feel the effects - after your relaxing bath, and you're just wasting your medication until you know they'll actually do something. You might as well be throwing them out with the bath water! Wait until you get out of the tub and you know you're able to sleep! They are not water soluble at all, much less bathing powder soluble.

How do you think Hendrix died? He probably couldn't feel anything beyond the heroic dose (for most people) of LSD he was on...and just probably just wanted some sleep...so he took a few too many sleeping pills and that was it for poor Jimi....although he will live in my heart and his music forever, I wish he were still here to do that spaghetti string magic he is so admired for by those who know what it really took to reach that height of subliminal ability. Sorry, I had to throw my guitar god in there somewhere.

Oh, If your eyes are all blurry and dry (like too much time in the chlorinated pool) and you can't see anything up close any more, it's time to lay off the shit for a while! I sure hope my eyes aren't permanently damaged. They do seem to clear up after I stop bathing in this crap for a few days and get some semi-normal sleep anyway.
Could this shit be clogging up my microscopic, eye veins? I've heard of powders and pills doing that before, after using them like you're not really supposed to, for too long. Is that permanent damage, or is it normal to get a bit of blurry vision after too much MDPV bathing? Please excuse any typos, for this reason. I can't see very well up close at the moment. I'm depending on my spell check.

Anyway, I hope this is completely coherent and helpful to anyone who is going to try this new bathing experience, regardless of my recommendations and warnings, since I'm about to now go crash out for as long as I can manage to stay asleep. Goodbye, today...see you when it's dark again.

 

[Public//Enemy]

The mystery goes on...

 

[Dedbeet]

USE EXTREME CAUTION!!! I cannot stress this enough! I believe this to be much more powerful/potent and instant hitting than free-bathing. I have no idea what it does to anyone else, but it can't be good for you! I do not recommend it, but I kind of like it! (even if my heart feels like it might explode at first, other things used to make my heart beat even harder and I always survived, so I'm not too worried)

Nothing that feels the way stims feel, can be good for you. Hell, hot dogs are no good for you, and they don't even taste that good. You can bet stims are not particularly safe. There's always the option of giving them up and buying some leafy green veggies and a juicer .

The mystery goes on...

The only mystery is how persistent the illusion of free will, with a stim like PV around. Then again, losing control is no biggie when it's clear you never had it and never needed it. PV is nothing but a particularly obvious example of why the words that blather on in our heads are nothing but noise. We go where the present/immediate actuality takes us, and that's that.

 

[NeighborhoodThreat]

USE EXTREME CAUTION!!! I cannot stress this enough! I believe this to be much more powerful/potent and instant hitting than free-bathing. I have no idea what it does to anyone else, but it can't be good for you! I do not recommend it, but I kind of like it! (even if my heart feels like it might explode at first, other things used to make my heart beat even harder and I always survived, so I'm not too worried)

Also, I took one 500mg L-Tryptophan pill this time, and it seems to have relaxed me more. My heart rate and BP seem normal now, and I may even be able to sleep soon, as soon as I'm done with my relaxing bathing report here.
It may also have something to do with my regular, prescription meds - 16mg of K-pins and two 2mg bars of Xanax, but they've had nearly zero affect on me recently. (and I don't feel them now either) I'm sure they won't, until after this cruel, sleepless insomnia wears off...or I just take so many that I finally pass out. (WARNING!!! Not safe practice, ever!!!) You could pass out in the tub and drown!!! I must try to stop taking them for at least 6 mos. My tolerance is ridiculously high! They just don't seem to work for me half the time, even if I increase the dose, which I don't like to do because of the danger of mixing pills with the alcoholic beverages I like to consume, of course.

This sounds extremely scary and to be honest pretty dangerous. I'm going to close this because its harm reduction value is questionable (at least in this forum).

I do seriously recommend you write a Trip Report, its a better way to share your experiences with this with the larger community.

Closed.