Heroin Heroin Overdose and Naloxone (Narcan) Treatment - My Experience and Questions

[MadHadder]

This is my first post on these forums so I hope its OK.

I live outside Philadelphia PA and cop Diesel from North Camden.
I heard stories of the quality of Diesel that comes out of this area. Im new to dope but ive experimented extensively with other pharmaceutical quality versions in similarity. I started dabbling in this half a year ago and up till this point hav viggerously held fast on the reins of extreme caution when practicing.

However today at 5pm Me and my close friend drove to our local spot and split the cost on a package. I had a few drinks previous to our endeavors at hand. Im highly opposed to needles so I like to administer nasally. The substance we obtained came packaged in legit sealed bags with white inner bags and stamped with the words Witch Craft. I have had this variety on multiple occasions previous to this encounter with them and can attest to the quality compared to other local variety.

I don't know if it was the Alcohol I consumed earlier or the lack of forethought to the superior quality of the particular product but I consumed two of them and shortly after two more due to the lack of feeling immediate effect. I blacked out and woke up in the back of an ambulance completely discombobulated. I was being asked question after question and found it hard to remember the simplest of information such as my address and phone number. The Paramedics and nurses at the hospital where very rude to me treating me as if I were a criminal. I remembers the EMT personnel stating that they gave me Narcan which woke me up. My friend said he tried to wake me several ways including a glass of cold water over the face and several powerful slaps but to no avail.

I am extremely scared as I has never had an incident like this in any circumstances other then blackouts caused by Alchohol and Xanax and or Klonopin. Surprisingly I was on my feet and felt completely sober and fine and walked out of the hospital no less then one hour after I was brought there. I want to know why, if I was overdosing to the point of needing medical attention and Narcan to revive me do I feel in perfect condition this shortly after the incident? And, being as the police and EMT professionals failed to find my stash, is it safe to do a small bump this soon after?

Thank you kindly fellow BlueLighters! I will be abundantly grateful for your correspondence!
Be safe! and much love!

 

[etard7007]

You were fine because your lucky ass had a friend with you who called an ambulance and got to you quickly enough. Then the shot of Narcan reversed the effects of the opiate.

You were able to simply walk yourself out because you got medical attention before your breathing depressed to the point where your organs began to fail... and eventually stop breathing all together.

You're really lucky man I would take it easy after that and not snort anymore till tomorrow or something. I had an overdose on opiates, although my friend was sleeping after a day of tripping so he didn't wake up and see me until 12 hours after I had overdosed (I was doing coke also, so when I went to sleep the coke wore off and I overdosed on the opiates).

My liver, kidneys and pancreas all failed. I had shit and piss myself. I was basically dead. They said one more hour and I would have been dead.

I was also laying motionless on my right arm (that had no oxygen to it) for so long that I completely compressed and destroyed 80% of the nerves in my right arm. It was mostly paralyzed for months. After about 10 months of PT and nerve blocks I am finally almost recovered. I can write now and my arm is functional again, although my pinkie and that side of my hand is still numb and I can't spread my fingers. And I have chronic pain in my hand/arm on top of it.

So be careful man you wouldn't want this to happen to you... like if this had happened when you were alone with nobody to call 911. Be thankful that you had a good friend to help. Glad you're okay I would lay off the dope for the day at least.

 

[MadHadder]

Right. Yeah I think it was stupid to even ask. I think a good nights rest will do me good. I have some subs I was given also. Maybe its time to tough out the WD with a little help from the subs and be done with it. This was deff verrrrrry scary. Thanks for the response my friend. Im sorry for what happened to you. That sucks.

 

[NomeGrown]

Like the Etard said its a good thing your buddy did not hesitate to call 911. It takes balls to bite the bullet like that and man up and just call them to save a life. You should bake him a cake or something lol. Good thing you are alright man.

 

[MadHadder]

Haha Thanks Nome I appreciate that.

 

[mds275]

Regardless of if you keep your distance from certain opioid or the route of administration of those opioids, naloxone (Narcan) is a really, really good thing to have around! You might be able to get some from Prevention Point Philly (I know Prev Point Pittsburgh has some), so look them up, give a call, and get yourself some. Then show all your friends and tell them how & when to use it. Also, FYI, I just got word that Philly has some of the strongest dope on the eastern seaboard these days.
I'm glad you made it!

 

[MadHadder]

Also, FYI, I just got word that Philly has some of the strongest dope on the eastern seaboard these days.

I can tell you one thing. This dope I have is prolly the best ive ever had. Knocked me on my ass yesterday. Now im scared to even touch it lol. I busted out a bag earlier and broke it into 4's just to be safe. Maybe its me being paranoid but ide hate to end up back in the hospital lol. Im thinking about carefully finishing off what I have as not to waste the money and be done with it. Its toooooo fuckin risky for my taste. I'll stick to percs.

And thanks to everyone who commented that they are happy im ok. I really do appreciate it!

 

[amapola]

Hey MadHadder,

It's good to hear you are okay and I've prettied up your thread a bit for you.

Naloxone is quite the remarkable drug for treating overdose eh? If you aren't aware, it is a potent but short acting (half life of an hour or so) mu antagonist which outcompetes the diamorphine (or morphine) agonist molecules at your receptors thereby reversing the respiratory depression and other opiate induced symptoms including sedation and euphoria.

I know you were pretty confused at the time, but I'd be grateful if you could post a more detailed account of how you felt during the time you woke up in the ambulance through to several hours later. Focusing mainly on how you perceived your high at the time and any other symptoms. The reason I am asking is naloxone administration mimics the action of buprenorphine when it initiates precipitated withdrawal. It seems you are not opioid dependent though (correct?) so I am curious if you went into precipitated withdrawal as well or just sobered up.

After waking up in the ambulance did you experience nausea, diarrhea, chills, hot flashes, RLS, muscle aches, stuffy nose, other flu like symptoms, or feel like you were detoxing? Or was it just confusion after recovering consciousness and then stone cold sober? It would really help me out and you can see what I mean in this thread. precipitated withdrawal in people that are non-dependent??

Not really relevant but it would be cool if you felt yourself getting high again when the naloxone wore off.

Anyways good to hear you are feeling better and hopefully this experience will set you help you improve yourself and sharing it here will help save the lives of others.

 

[phr]

Do you normally wear a monocle?

I don't know if it was the Alcohol I consumed earlier or the lack of forethought to the superior quality of the particular product but I consumed two of them and shortly after two more due to the lack of feeling immediate effect.

Depending on how much alcohol you had, it could certainly be a factor.

So you took two bags, didn't feel anything immediately, then took two more? What's your normal dose?

 

[DoctorNinja]

People don't understand that opiates are of different strengths. For example:

Codeine: 0.5g
3-methylfentanyl: 0.00001g

Both doses are equivalent. You see the difference? Both are opioids, are ''narcotics'' but the 3-methylfentanyl is so potent that it is classified as a chemical weapon because people would overdose from ingesting or breathing a grain of powder barely visible with the naked eye.

The illegality of opioids also plays most part in all deaths by overdose. The fact that the substances cannot be obtained over the counter in pharmacies disables all quality control and information on the dose contained per mass or capsule. In other words, you don't know how much you're consuming and there's a risk that you OD if the substance is too potent.

 

[MadHadder]

Thank you very much amapola for cleaning up my thread, I appreciate it. And again I apologies for my Bluelight newbness with my initial aquatic perspective. I am afraid of drowning so I will never swim again!

I digress..

I would be more than happy to better articulate my entire experience especially if it could possibly save a life! I will do my best to be as transparent and accurate as I can but you must remember that I was very confused and displaced mentally at the time. And I warn you!!! I can be extremely long winded so bare with me!

3:00 pm

The afternoon before my OD I drove down to the set to try to get a few bags and drove around for a few minutes and left quickly because in the short amount of time I was there I saw significantly more cops out than usual. Frustrated, I stopped at the liquor store figuring I would get a little buzz on early and hook up with my boy later and go down to the set when it was dark so the cops can't see a white guy in a car in the hood. I bought a Pint of Smirnoff and a large can of Red Bull which I finished off about 4pm and was feeling pretty good.

5:00 PM

My friend and I drove up to the set in Camden and bought a bundle to split. The dope was stamped with the words Witch Craft. The inner wax paper bag "Dont know what its called?" was not its usual light blue color which 99.9 % of the dope I buy in Camden or Philadelphia are, but rather white. The stamp was in blue ink and displays a picture of a witch riding a broom. My friend seems to think the dope came from New York City because supposedly you can tell the general location that dope comes from by the color of the bags. I am not sure how true this is, but whatever I'm explaining for the sake of describing the type of dope we had. The dope was as white as can be which lead to the dub "The White Witch" in our inner circle of junky associates. We have gotten this brand several times before and the word on the street is its fire and is highly sought after so I obviously knew not to overdo it which apparently I failed miserably at! In the car my boy opened a bag for me, ripped the inner bag in half, and stuck a rolled up bill in it and handed it to me so I could hit it up before we got to my house. So this was my first bag.

5:30 - 6:00 PM

We get back to my house and start to chill out. I hopped on my computer because we planned on going out that night and I was looking for something for us to do in Philly. I broke out another bag and hit that up. I usually do two of this type of dope and feel good. Not HIGH high but chill with a little nod goin. My boy fixed up his works and banged his shit. IDK how much he does at once but he has been dangin diesel a lot longer then I so he has a way higher tolerance. Anyways I put some music on and by this time it has to be close to 7-7:30 and we cant figure out anything to do so decide to just get realllly high and chill out at home.. then I did the stupidest thing ever! I break out another bag and unfold it and am flicking it with my finger to get all the dope all down into one corner to make it easier to snort and realize I have the bag upside down and im flicking dope all over the floor!! I was so mad... so I did whatever was left in that bag, Maybe half??, and did another to compensate. After that I dont remember anything. I vaguely remember a dream.. which is weird.. Ive blacked out before on other shit like G or Alchi and Xanax and it was pitch black but I distinctly remember a dream. I have been racking my brain trying to remember what it was exactly but I remember waking up on my floor with the paramedics and police all around me and the dream was on my mind as it normally is when you wake up from being asleep. I remember them calling my name and asking me to wake up and if I could hear them. I remember saying, "Yeah!!" like not a yell but not in a normal tone of voice but more like an Im awake im awake I swear I wasnt sleeping! Like when you were a kid and your friend spent the night and you would be about ready to die from exhaustion but neither one of you wanted to fall asleep first and your buddy catches you nodding out and says your name and you jump up and say "Yeah!! I wasn't asleep!".. That's what it felt like when I woke.. Then they started asking me all these questions. What did you take, Whats your phone number, whats the last thing you remember, whats your address.. All I could say was "I dont know! where am I at? am I going to be ok?" It was all sooooo confusing. I remember noticing things like my hair and clothes where damp. I found out later that my friend threw water on me to try and wake me up but in the ambulance I was thinking about it and couldn't figure it out. The paramedics tried explaining to me that I had overdosed and all I could thing of is that I was wet from sweat. I was defiantly extremely intoxicated at this point. I couldn't remember much of anything.. Like i couldn't even remember who I was at first. Then I started to remember things but it took a lot of effort. By the time we arrived at the hospital I was fairly lucid. I remembered most of everything that happened that day up till I blacked out but I couldn't work out how I had possibly overdosed because I have done more dope in a sitting of the same batch before. I realize now it was because of the alcohol and Heroin mixture. I found my cell was still in my pocket so I quickly made some phone calls to my Mother and Friend trying to get some answers. Slowly I felt better and better. My mom lives 20 minutes from the hospital and within the time that it took her to get here I was out of my bed unhooking myself from the machines getting yelled at by the hospital staff. I felt perfectly fine. I was defiantly still intoxicated though. My mom, and this is pretty funny, looks at me and says "Are you shrooming?" lmfao... Im like No mom! I took a xanax and drank some and passed out! She knew though she isn't stupid. So I know I at least didn't look sober. I felt weird though like I noticed I was extremely sociable after that. Once I got home I stood in my roommates door for 40 minutes talking to her and her boyfriend which I NEVER do.. The best way I could explain it would be maybe like a 10 mg vicodin back when I used to be able to feel that but instead of being a downer it sped you up. So I get home about 10:00 PM and whatever it was they gave me, which im pretty sure was Narcan, kept me up untill 9pm the next day. It was like i had no desire to sleep then all of a sudden I got hit by a truck and passed out. I did not have any withdraw symptoms that I could remember. I dont have many withdraw problems actually coming off dope. I have never let myself get that deep into a hole though. I may do 5-10 bags a day for a few days but then I wont do any again for a few weeks so idk no WD thus far. Well Im lying because I get realy bad kicks a day or two after I come off and maybe the shits but nothing that bad..

But yeah, that's the story and holly shit I just typed a lot. Sorry lmao... I get carried away!! But I did warn you..

 

[MadHadder]

Actually come to think of it, coming out of this WD reminds me EXACTLY like comin out of a Nitrus high. IDK if you have ever done NOS but when you do enough nos you have massive hallucinations and kind of pass out and when you come back to reality it slowly fades back in. Almost like you go from a blank slate and slowly become yourself again..

weird.....

And as far as getting high again, not much difference other then fear. The first bag I opend after the WD i literally cut it into 4 lines and did one at a time pretty spaced apart lol... Just to make sure it just wasn't some bad shit or something. Then the next bag in two lines, and my last I just did the whole thing. The high was nice though. Such good dope compared to the other garbage around here. But im back on subs again now. I dont know if I want to keep doing D now. This OD was bad news man... I didnt like it at all and im lucky I wasnt alone or something.. Not worth my life..

 

[amapola]

Very interesting MadHadder. So it seemed the naloxone was enough to bring you out of your overdosed state, but you were still fairly high and then slowly came down like normal. I'd say the implications for precipitated withdrawal are that all the opiates aren't instantly ripped off, but only most of them are to a level which is below feeling normal so the user is put into withdrawal. It would also indicate that precipitated withdrawal in non-tolerant users is not possible.

Thanks for the detailed report!

 

[TheLostBoys]

Ive never done heroin so I dont know the first thing about any of it but I know when you mix alcohol with opiates, you are risking a premature death. I believe you would have felt the heroin high after the first two bags if it wasnt for the alcohol. Alcohol always fucks shit up.........I havent drank in 9 years & never plan on drinking ever again, not even a glass of wine for a toast.

 

[MadHadder]

It would also indicate that precipitated withdrawal in non-tolerant users is not possible.

Thanks for the detailed report!

I think this is very true. Or at least in my case. For example I finished up 3 bags in the span of 6 hours two days ago and and two hours started taking my Suboxone to avoid my withdraw symptoms and no precipitated withdraw which i read somewhere it can cause. However crush it up and snort it little by little and it gives me quite the energetic buzz so maybe thats why.

 

[amapola]

Wait you are dependent or you aren't dependent?

For example I finished up 3 bags in the span of 6 hours two days ago and and two hours started taking my Suboxone to avoid my withdraw symptoms

Why are you getting withdrawal?

 

[MadHadder]

Wait you are dependent or you aren't dependent?

Why are you getting withdrawal?

Whenever I stop my little "binges" I cant sleep, get bad stomach problems, and RLS. The Subs stop that. When I say I dont get withdraw from the narcan or precipitated withdraw im thinking they are 50 times as bad as what I'd normally get stopping dope after a binge. Im not "Dependant" as in I have to have it or else but thats mostly due to self control and moderation.

 

[amapola]

Yes...but are you always on either heroin binge or suboxone?

 

[Captain.Heroin]

If you are using Suboxone to combat withdrawal symptoms, you are addicted to heroin.

If you just happen to use buprenorphine after heroin usage, but don't "need" it within the first few days to a week after heroin usage has stopped, then it's possible you aren't addicted.

However, it seems to me that someone using heroin or Suboxone/buprenorphine every day, will likely be addicted/dependent.

Using buprenorphine in itself on a daily basis isn't an addiction for everyone; however every day heroin use will quickly become an addiction for anyone. The pharmacodynamics of heron use do not allow for a lack of addiction.

 

[MadHadder]

If you are using Suboxone to combat withdrawal symptoms, you are addicted to heroin.

If you just happen to use buprenorphine after heroin usage, but don't "need" it within the first few days to a week after heroin usage has stopped, then it's possible you aren't addicted.

However, it seems to me that someone using heroin or Suboxone/buprenorphine every day, will likely be addicted/dependent.

Using buprenorphine in itself on a daily basis isn't an addiction for everyone; however every day heroin use will quickly become an addiction for anyone. The pharmacodynamics of heron use do not allow for a lack of addiction.

Hmm.. Well it was starting to become pretty bad with me. it started out once a month at most but i got heavier into it over the month and my usage more frequent. After this overdose though im done. Its toooo scary that it can go badly that easily and I have to much tooooo love for. I know thats prolly been said before by many people. I just hope I can find the willpower to stay away.