heroin vs vicodin - questions from a new user

[TheBeatles]

can someone please compare and contrast these two? so i'm thinking about getting some heroin, but i'm super afraid of needles, and have never snorted anything and don't want to, and hear eating or smoking it is a waste. so someone recommened getting vicodin, said it has pretty much the same effects of heroin. is this true???

 

[The Chemist]

if you have no opiate tolerance, DO NOT go with Heroin your first time. Besides, not everyone slams H.

take the vicodin, 10-15mg is a starting dose.

 

[ro0ga]

I wouldn't jump right into heroin...you're best bet is start with less potent and smaller dosages of vicodin. While heroin and vicodin do have similar effects, heroin are the "big guns", and from I can gather from you post, I think you're much much better off starting with the vicodin. Vicodin is much less potent than heroin, and you can still catch a nice buzz from it.

 

[NeighborhoodThreat]

Don't start using opiates with heroin. Start with Vicodin (hydrocodone + APAP). It's much easier to overdose with heroin, and hard to gauge dosages. For somebody without a tolerance or with little tolerance...hydrocodone is the way to go.

As far as them being similar, yes, they are similar, but they are by no means the same thing. They're both opiate painkillers (analgesics) that work the same way in your brain, heroin is just much more potent. In fact, heroin is a quicker-acting morphine prodrug.

Please don't use heroin right off the bat.

 

[amapola]

Check out the Bluelight Opioid Conversion Chart and start with one of the weak opioids. They all have very similar effects. I'll send this over to BDD as I feel you may have some more questions.

OD >>> BDD

 

[ReeFungorio]

Also if you plan on drinking with vikes (which to me almost reminds me of old fashioned ecstacy) watch how much you take. If you can get vikes that are 10/325 that's the best I've been able to find there is much less APAP but still dangerous on your liver with booze. I wouldn't even take straight acetaminophen with booze. If you're going to drink search the cold water extraction to get that heinous crap out of there. CWE is pretty easy to do if you just follow the steps you can find if you look. I guess I shouldn't condone them together, but I shattered my leg a couple years ago and would take a couple 10/325s and get a buzz on and felt fabulous all summer.

 

[TheLostBoys]

First couple times I took vicodin, it was such nice trips......very euphoric & the warm cozy blanket. Ive never done heroin but from what people describe, I dont see much difference from my first experience except for the intensity of heroin, its definitely stronger.

 

[verso]

can someone please compare and contrast these two? so i'm thinking about getting some heroin, but i'm super afraid of needles, and have never snorted anything and don't want to, and hear eating or smoking it is a waste. so someone recommened getting vicodin, said it has pretty much the same effects of heroin. is this true???

I read this thread's caption and imagined that you had taken vicodin (hydrocodone) before and were thinking about trying heroin. But if you haven't experimented with pain killers yet, not even vicodin, then heroin should not be the opiate you wrestle with first.

I would definitely, definitely suggest that you experiment with something like vicodin first. Someone recommended 10-15 mg, and that sounds about right for a beginner's recreational dose.

 

[TheBeatles]

So if i do decide to take heroin 4 the first time, whats an ideal dose for eating it? i dont really think i'll be able to get access to vicodin, i go to high school and the only opiate available is heroin

 

[kokaino]

If you are just starting opioid use, 10 mg of hydrocodone (which is what's in Vicodin, in addition to APAP). You can even start with codeine if you are totally opioid naive - a good starting dose with codeine would be 60 mg. Codeine can cause a lot of effects, more so than hydrocodone, so that's why I suggest such a low start dose.

Back 12-13 years ago when I was just beginning to dabble with opioids, codeine was the first and hydrocodone the second that I used - at that time, I found codeine more euphoric at doses like 300 mg vs 20-25 mg hydrocodone doses. Now though, after nearly 13 years I can't feel codeine and I have to take massive quantities of hydrocodone to even feel a tingle.

 

[TheLostBoys]

So if i do decide to take heroin 4 the first time, whats an ideal dose for eating it? i dont really think i'll be able to get access to vicodin, i go to high school and the only opiate available is heroin

You gotta be kidding...........vicodin is available in all highschools! Do you go to school in the ghetto?

 

[TheLostBoys]

If you are just starting opioid use, 10 mg of hydrocodone (which is what's in Vicodin, in addition to APAP). You can even start with codeine if you are totally opioid naive - a good starting dose with codeine would be 60 mg. Codeine can cause a lot of effects, more so than hydrocodone, so that's why I suggest such a low start dose.

Back 12-13 years ago when I was just beginning to dabble with opioids, codeine was the first and hydrocodone the second - at that time, I found codeine more euphoric at doses like 300 mg vs 20-25 mg hydrocodone doses. Now though, after nearly 13 years I can't feel codeine and I have to take massive quantities of hydrocodone to even feel a tingle.

First time I did codeine was 50mg Lertus CD. I got a good buzz & very euphoric but didnt last as long as hydrocodone. I always wanted to try codeine in a higher dose but never had access to any codeine after those first few times when I used 50mg each time. Im sure the 300mg dose would have had me feeling the best.


OP: I dont understand why you wanna screw up your tolerance with heroin. Start with the light stuff & build up from there. You will be missing out on alot of fun.

 

[bpayne]

The first Time I did Codeine was in Prison, I had an infected wisdom tooth and had just finished up the antibiotics from medical call the nurse had given me, So One morning an officer shakes my bunk really early like 4:30 am and said "get dressed your going to CP(central prison) to get a tooth pulled". so I got dressed, and they shackled me up with handcuffs and whatnot and put me in the van and we drove about 2 hours to CP, I got in there and waited in a cage for a couple of hours, then they took me into the dentist office, he stuck the needle in my gums several times and got me numbed up, then extracted the tooth, first thing after a nurse comes in with a cup of liquid with a crushed up pill in it( they couldn't just give me the pills I had to take it in front of them), so I downed it.
Anyways in the van on the way back to My camp I started feeling really euphoric and talkative, I was like wow what is this feeling. the C.O that was driving me said "oh that's the codeine they gave u for pain, u got a whole script for it, report to the nurses station every 6 hours for your dose", needless to say I was at the nurses station EVERY 6 hours on the Dot, and I had a Very good week.

 

[StaySedated]

if you've never done an opiate then heroin is jumping into the (very)deep end.

 

[RedRum OG]

if you are not experienced with opiates, no matter how you do it, the heroin will not be pleasant. it will be too strong and you will likely just end up hot, itchy, tired, and probably puking.

go with the vicodin dude you might actually get some pleasant effects

 

[TheBeatles]

So is vicodin the best first time opiate?

 

[kokaino]

First time I did codeine was 50mg Lertus CD. I got a good buzz & very euphoric but didnt last as long as hydrocodone. I always wanted to try codeine in a higher dose but never had access to any codeine after those first few times when I used 50mg each time. Im sure the 300mg dose would have had me feeling the best.


OP: I dont understand why you wanna screw up your tolerance with heroin. Start with the light stuff & build up from there. You will be missing out on alot of fun.

I'm telling you, the first and second times I did codeine I did 60 mg both times. Didn't get much, but the first time I did it (at 60 mg) I got a taste of the opioid high. So I decided to go all out and do 9 Tylenol #3's - 270 mg of codeine. It was such a euphoric experience, I can't explain in words what it felt like. Just total bliss. I was nodding off and that was the first time I truly experienced the opiate high. The next time I did 300 mg, it was even better then the 270 mg.

Then I got into Vicodin, 10 mg is what I started with and it didn't do all that much because of my tolerance to codeine. So I went up to 20 mg, I felt a high similar to codeine, but at the time I thought nowhere as good as codeine's. Of course, codeine converts to morphine, so that was why it was so good. Though new research suggests that the analgesic effect of codeine is actually not as a result of it's conversion to morphine in vivo, but to a different metabolite (I forgot the name of it).
So codeine is not a morphine prodrug like heroin is. It used to be thought that codeine was a weaker form of morphine, while heroin was a quicker acting form of morphine (with the heroin that still holds true).

 

[kokaino]

So is vicodin the best first time opiate?

I'd say codeine is way better as a first time opiate.

 

[DavisK4high247]

Hydrocodone(Vicodin) or oxycodone(Percocet, OC's) at 10-20 mg the first time is what you want to do. If you have never done opiates at all, then 10 mg Vicodin is a good start, or 5mg or so of Percocet, but codeine is less eupohric to me, hydrocodone and oxycodone give more of a good high, and make you a little wired , where codeine makes for a more sleepy, laid back, and to me much less euporic opaite.
Sadly I have such a tolerance to opiates after 15 years of use, that no amount of codiene effects me really, and hydrocodone or oxycodone takes such high doses that I take way over the daily limit for APAP in one dose just to get high. Heroin is not good swallowed, you only get 10% maybe of the dose, like morphine, they are both more effective when injected or snorted, and smoked in some cases if it's not powder, but tar. But I would not start off on opiates with heroin, even by eating it(the lest effecient way to take it), and if you ever use heroin, snorting is not a big deal, lol..not like injecting..you snort a line of powder up your nose,and thats it, takes 10-15 minutes to fully kick in but thats it, I would take the Vicodin if I were you, and if you do use heroin, snort it , in very small amounts, taking 15+ minutes before you even think about snorting more, as OD is likely with first time users doing heroin the first time and not knowing anything about opiates at all...don't do heroin yet,if you are gonna do it, then try other pharm. opaites first to get a feel for opaites!!

 

[kokaino]

Hydrocodone(Vicodin) or oxycodone(Percocet, OC's) at 10-20 mg the first time is what you want to do. If you have never done opiates at all, then 10 mg Vicodin is a good start, or 5mg or so of Percocet, but codeine is less eupohric to me, hydrocodone and oxycodone give more of a good high, and make you a little wired , where codeine makes for a more sleepy, laid back, and to me much less euporic opaite.
Sadly I have such a tolerance to opiates after 15 years of use, that no amount of codiene effects me really, and hydrocodone or oxycodone takes such high doses that I take way over the daily limit for APAP in one dose just to get high. Heroin is not good swallowed, you only get 10% maybe of the dose, like morphine, they are both more effective when injected or snorted, and smoked in some cases if it's not powder, but tar. But I would not start off on opiates with heroin, even by eating it(the lest effecient way to take it), and if you ever use heroin, snorting is not a big deal, lol..not like injecting..you snort a line of powder up your nose,and thats it, takes 10-15 minutes to fully kick in but thats it, I would take the Vicodin if I were you, and if you do use heroin, snort it , in very small amounts, taking 15+ minutes before you even think about snorting more, as OD is likely with first time users doing heroin the first time and not knowing anything about opiates at all...don't do heroin yet,if you are gonna do it, then try other pharm. opaites first to get a feel for opaites!!

20 mg dose of hydrocodone or oxycodone are a dangerous first time dose.